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Hayfa
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Culturally, when I think of French women I think of romance, physical beauty and strong sexuality.
Interesting.. that woman may be exactly that under her clothes!
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Ron Webb
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Well, only because I have lived on this planet and among her species for quite a few years now. We're all expressing our opinions, including you and including the officials who rejected her application. About the only person whose opinion is not being heard is the woman herself, since she is obviously doing and saying what she is told by her male relatives. I wonder if even her choice of husband was her own.
Not a valid reason? Then what would be a valid reason? Most citizenship tests include questions about the form of government and electoral system. I doubt that "lots" of people in France share her views. Undoubtedly a few do, but let me remind you that the rules for becoming a citizen are much more stringent than the rules for remaining one.
Maybe, but that's not how others will see her. |
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Shasta'sAunt
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I wonder if the French had the same sensibilities when they colonized Morocco and lived there? Do you think they thought that they were too French to be living among the Moroccans? I wonder if the French women were forced to wear jalabiahs or gonduras to fit in. I guess we could ask that about almost any group that has immigrated or settled in another country. I don't think the Europeans who settled in North America tried very hard to "fit" in with the indigenous population. Too bad there weren't any immigration tests or dress codes back then. Things would certainly be different now.
Ironic isn't it that the French ran roughshod over the Moroccans and took over their country without any remorse, yet now a Moroccan can't live in France. You would think it would only be fair. BTW: nudity is everywhere in France. Billboards, beaches, television. Once again I see the irony, breats are fine, burqas not so much...
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Shasta'sAunt
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With so many people having plastic surgery, dyeing their hair and wearing colored contacts our faces are no longer truly our identities.
I believe heart and soul in women's liberation, what has that to do with wearing hijab? My ability to perform, think, and be treated equally has nothing to do with covering my hair. If I choose to wear hijab that is my decision to make and no person or government should try to tell me I cannot do so. How would forced removal of hijab be liberating to any woman who chooses to wear it? Besides, if a country believes in equality for women and women's rights, doesn't that extend to all women? Shouldn't every woman living there have the RIGHT to choose what and how she believes?
Why do you always say Muslim countries? There are no Muslim countries, there are just countries where there are Muslim majority. And yes, except for Saudi Arabia, women without hair covering can be seen in any Muslim majority country. The government does not force women to wear hijab and in some cases such as Turkey, they try to force women not to.
I have an American Muslim friend who just returned from teaching in Egypt. She applied for a job teaching in Morocco but she was told she would only be hired if she removed her hijab.
So your vision of women being forced to cover by crazed extremist governments is incorrect, however, if you would like to put forth the notion that crazed extremist governments are trying to force women to uncover I would agree.... Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 16 July 2008 at 5:41pm |
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imp87
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Im not no fan of Moroccans, but had France not abused so many of its colonies in Africa and forced people to migrate to France for a �better� life and job, then maybe we could have considered your point valid. Do not think everyone loves where they live because it lay in Europe, most have to, given the right chance and promise of a lifestyle they would run out of Such statements always come from people with the colonizer heritage. The French did not say �we belong in Edited by imp87 - 16 July 2008 at 5:58pm |
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Ron Webb
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Two classic examples of the tu quoque fallacy:
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Chrysalis
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If I remember correctly, I think you believe in not caring how other's percieve us, and sticking to 'who you really are' rather than conforming to other ppl's standards of what is 'cool' 'acceptable' or in this case what 'french' is.
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