What would this trailer bring to the West? - Event Date: 13 September 2012 |
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaika Ronn.
But how can we achieve pluralism when we do not know how one faith dovetails into the other. How can we achieve pluralism when one says the Torah is not the Bible and vice-versa and the Qur'an is not a recitation coined from the previous scriptures? How can we have pluralism when 6 billion people are not allowed to touch and read the Qur'an? How can we have pluralism when the despots are those supported with weapons to fight those who want to educate the world for peaceful co-existence? I do not have the wealth to call for a conference between the Jews, Christians and followers of Muhammad who understood the Intention, Plan, Design, Will, Decree of the G-d of Abraham. Who has the power to put into action what is agreed on that meeting? I am not unaware of the impossibility from the present status quo. But the moment the People of the Book understand the difference between 'Peace" and 'Facing the Ka'ba' and that 'Peace' does not necessarily imply facing the Ka'ba, that is when we can live in harmony. The real geo-political fault line of our times is not Left versus Right or even West versus East, but freedom versus fundamentalism. The Telegraph is theoretical and not practical. I AM AN INSIDER AND I AM ASSURING YOU THAT THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF ACTION IN THE MUSLIM UMMA. THEY BELIEVE IN LIP AND EYE SERVICES ONLY. WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR A UNIFIED ACTION THEY TURN THEIR BACKS AND ACCUSE ALLAH OF INVITING THEM TO DESTRUCTION. IT IS AN UMMA SATURATED WITH HYPOCRISY. THE HATERS OF THIS WORLD UNFORTUNATELY ARE THOSE RULING THE MUSLIM WORLD! THEY CANNOT BE DISPLACED! FRIENDSHIP. |
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Assalamu alaika Ronn.
You said: To call me a Muslim would be to associate me with the mobs of rioters that are currently rampaging in cities everywhere. Unless you can agree that they are not true Muslims and do not represent Islam, then yes, at this moment I would regard it as an offense to be called a Muslim. Response: I do not know what you believe in. But, I am not the one who called or named you a Muslim. Islam means obedience to Allah at any stage of Prophet hood so as to maintain and bring peace to the world. I am not calling you to pray five times etc. My approach is to understand that the Torah is indeed what Muhammad taught and preached. Reflect on what Moses did when he found his brothers had worshiped the idol. His action in Exodus 34:26 is exactly Qur'an 109 and in many examples in the life of Muhammad. More specifically and in a general command Allah says in the Qur'an: 11:113, "And incline not toward those who do wrong, lest the Fire should touch you, and you have no protectors other than Allah , nor would you then be helped." So, I will never invite you to sit with the Muslim. I do not regard them as Muslims who will enter paradise. I am calling for a new social order. I am fully aware of your position if you join them. It is utterly hypocritical for Pope Benedict XVI to call the Muslims to order. They have not done so for centuries, how can they do that today. Birds of the same feathers! Is the Qur'an not current? What other message do they need? Please tell Pope Benedict to read www//sbpra.com/allamadrsanisalihmustapha. The Muslims lack strategy for they do not understand Muhammad's way of life. I have called them for over twenty years, but they do not believe for they have an entrenched ignorance and arrogance. There are steps to follow in achieving a common goal. This begins from education and praying the five daily prayers in the manner performed by Muhammad. They do not how to pray! THEY OBSERVE THEIR DAILY PRAYERS ACCORDING TO THEIR TASTE. Finally, understand that Muhammad did not secure the territories of al- Jazirah alone. His task was to uplift humanity, etc. Friendship.
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Ron Webb
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The British newspaper The Telegraph has a great editorial on this subject. I'll just quote the last few paragraphs, but the whole thing is definitely worth reading:
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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Ron Webb
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To call me a Muslim would be to associate me with the mobs of rioters that are currently rampaging in cities everywhere. Unless you can agree that they are not true Muslims and do not represent Islam, then yes, at this moment I would regard it as an offense to be called a Muslim.
The question is not how I am going to change their attitude. The question is how are you going to change their attitude? They won't listen to me, but they might listen to you. If you think the hadith that can help you with this, then go ahead and use them; but there are also plenty of hadith and sunnah that they can use to justify their hatred and violence, as I'm sure you know. |
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.
This is because you do not listen to logic and find the truth later. You believe that whatever is said by the preachers supporting monarchs is the true Islam. In the first instance there was never a time Muhammad called someone with a name other than a Muslim. Muhammad always addressed the Messengers before him as his brothers. So, you have to address this important question: Where is the source of calling someone a Muslim and a disbeliever. Ensure that you know the rules and regulations surrounding the translation of the Qur'an before you answer me. I do not like walking in the wilderness or making unmarked unguided and unrestricted remarks. For example do you the difference between a 'Zalimin' and 'Zalimun'? Do you know at what point one is called a disbeliever? Read that book I told you to read. Friendship. |
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.
The problem is that a heart that is obsessed cannot be convinced of the truth. I am not saying that you will never believe in what is true. But, I prefer you find facts and digest them yourself. If, he made weapons to kill others and suppress others, how is going to announce that making of weapons is an abominable act? How could he also march to Tabu a distance of about 1,000 kilometers from Madina to confront the greatest and mightiest empire of that period- the Roman empire? You will never believe that during the battle of Hunayn he hired his armor from a Jew in Madina. The Muslims learned the art of craftsmanship from the tribe of Banu Qaynuqa. All the weapons used by Muhammad were those confiscated from them. Every good from Muhammad is a lie! So, what is then the use of this forum? The Muslims involved in such acts are illiterate as well as their leaders. Ask them: Why did King Josiah applied the Torah and the followers of Muhammad are not applying it while the Qur'an is intact. Caringheart! Please use your commonsense and reasoning and understand the parallel! This is the meaning of Qur'an! If the Jews only enjoyed peace after applying the law, tell me a nation that has a Message from their G-d who will enjoy peace if they disobeyed the G-d of the Jews? Are they a superior nation? Is there One God or multiple gods? UNDERSTAND THE LESSONS IN THE TORAH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD. Friendship. |
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Assalamu alaika Ronn.
Then forgive me. I am sure I have expressed my views that mankind is a Muslim for the Arabic word means one who submits to the Supreme Being. Probably if I call you a Muslim you will deny that. t is not an offense for the forum addresses those with faith. Then how are you going to change their attitude if you do not know what is expected from them so as to correct them by non-violent force or otherwise? Therefore the hadith of Muhammad that you fight them with the tongue is indeed what is to be done by all. If Muhammad did something deserving him to be hated, he should be hated. But the most revolting thing for a civilized man is to accuse or deny something not based on practical witness and to be irrational. Believe you me, I am not a Muslim because I was born in it. There is no reward in such belief. The Bible or rather more specifically the Torah convinced me of the truth that Muhammad brought. Friendship Edited by Friendship - 14 September 2012 at 10:55pm |
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Caringheart
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and yet you can say all these things and no one accuses you of hate simply for stating your beliefs... and you throw insults. Hmm
Edited by Caringheart - 14 September 2012 at 6:52pm |
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