Genetics and homosexual behaviour

Hmmmmmmm well, there are a lot of Muslim homosexuals too. They are in and around you daily. They just "don't ask, don"t tell". I agree with Ummziba, that is a sin between that person and God. Just like your sins out there are between you and God? Should we go around naturally assuming that people are all sinners and we should start killing them? Sounds nuts right? So does ending a life that ALLAH created just because you do not like the sexual orientation.

Don't give a thristy dog a bowl of water and go to hell, kill a human and that is ok? I know many gay people and do not have a problem with them. That is their buisness not mine and it is not my soul that will have to face God with that sin. I work in healthcare and I have noticed that the gay people are more loving and compassionate toward  patients and partners then are the heterosexual people. So, let's just kill them???? And replace them with?

Live and let Live, or the next thing you know someone will come knocking on your door deciding that they way you live is sinful and might just be after you.

Lameese

Like it or not gays are in every country and from ever religion. They may not like what they are and they may pray for guidance and forgiveness but they are non the less gay. And as I said, "there is a don't ask don't tell" quality in some countries. I never said that they were spouting it so everyone could hear, but there are some that you know are gay without having to ask.

And let's get this straight, there is a WORLD of difference between a Paedophile and a gay person. The Paedophile preys on young innocent CHILDREN who do not have a choice. A gay person will choose a CONSENTING ADULT.

I do not agree with gays either but who chooses to get up one morning and say, "Ok, I think I will be gay now." I feel sorry for them because it is damning them not only in a religious way but for the rest of their lives on this planet. And who am I of all people to JUDGE them? Like you said, you have plenty of sins, as we all do, but we are not shouting them to the world and neither are most gays in sensitive countries. And I do not think ANYONE thinks it is a normal act. I think they are tormented with their decisions. And all of the gay people I know believe in God, maybe not the way they should but they do believe in HIM.

An example of "live and let live" means, so we can be clear about this too, that I am not going to come and hurt you because I disagree with your religion, ideas,  life style choice or where you are from. And I would expect the same from you.

Lameese

My defense tactics?? Aren't you getting a little presumtive? I do not agree with it at all but it is no MY SIN nor MY RIGHT TO JUDGE.

And you are wrong. A paedophile, whether his vicitim agrees or not, is TO YOUNG to have made that decision. And you putting that together about a paedophile waking up was your thinking, not mine. They are disgusting worthless souls, in my opinion.

And you are right  "Good and Evil cannot coexist in harmony" but they do exist in the same space and time. 

Lameese

Assalamu alaikum,

MOCKBA wrote: Good and evil can't co-exist... and eventhough they exist in the same space and time, they do so in a constant state of struggle that can have no truce.

Brother Mockba, I absolutely agree with this statement.  I do not agree with, nor condone homosexuality.  And yet, my brother, who I love is a homosexual.  Can you even imagine the 'constant state of struggle' that I live in because of this?  Do you have a brother?  Can you even imagine living in this situation?

I agree that anyone who willingly chooses to disobey Allah is most certainly a sinner.  Can you even imagine the turmoil of my heart knowing my dear brother is doomed to hell?  I do not have gay friends, nor would I, but a brother is a brother.

It was Shakur's statement that we should just burn and kill all homosexuals that is so upsetting.  Does not Allah have Mercy and Forgiveness for everyone who seeks it?  We are not the judges, free to carry out our own form of vigilante justice.  There is no perscribed penalty (except hell) for homosexuality in the Qur'an.

Yes, we should be disgusted by the behavior, but we must be more outspoken as a community to show it is wrong in Allah's eyes.  Here in Canada, where "gay marriage" is lawful in some provinces and will probably soon be lawful in the whole country, the Muslim community has barely raised a whisper.  Perhaps we are all so afraid because it is "open season" on Muslims here.

Just to illustrate the point - my parents fully accept their gay son, but reject their Muslim daughter.  It is not easy living by the laws of Allah - the straight path is indeed the hardest one of all.

In the city of Toronto, there is a community of "gay Muslims".  They have an imam and meet regularly for prayer.  I saw this on a documentary on television.  The mainstream Muslim community abhores them, some of the Christian community think the Muslims are too harsh to reject these people.  They showed the "gay Muslims" sharing Iftar with some of these Christians.  There are even some "progressive" Muslims who speak out in the press and say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.

I don't agree with any of this what so ever.  But, just turning our backs isn't going to help these people see the error of their ways or give them the opportunity to see a way to change.

You are correct in most of your argument, but I do wonder how you would feel about the topic if your brother (or sister) or other close relative were gay.  Breaking the ties of kinship is also a great sin - do you see the quandary that I am in?

My brother is not one of those who marches in gay parades or fights for gay rights or dresses outrageously.  He lives a quiet life and if you didn't know, you would never suspect he was gay.  I am sure that if this were not the case, I would have to break the ties of kinship, and that would break my heart beyond mending.

Peace, ummziba.