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( Food For Though )
There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .
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El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) .
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Roman Catholic Inserted The Trinity ( Part-One )
God The Father , Then You Have Humanity As His Children , And The Holy Ghost Are The AngelicBeings , You Are Useing 1John 5 ; 7 As If It Is Authentic When In Fact It Has Been Proven To Be A Distorted Scripture Nor Does It Exist In Any Of The Original Manuscripts I Don't Try To Discredit AnyThing Or AnyOne I Just State The Facts , And I Am Only Interested In The Facts . To Answer Your Question . When The Bible Was In Its Original Language Of Aramaic ( Hebrew ) Arabic And Galilean Arabic , The Verse 1John 5 ; 7 , That Has Become The Foundation For The 3 Beings In 1 Concept Called The Trinity DID NOT EXIST , It Also DID NOT EXIST IN GREEK , The Distortion With The Onset Of The Roman Catholic Church The Roman Catholic Inserted The Trinity Verse When They Translated The Bible From Greek To Latin I Purposely Said '' Inserted '' And Not '' Translated '' Because , As I've Already Said The Original Greek Did Not Have This Verse . HowEver , You Will Find Some Greek Translation Have Either The Whole Trinity Verse Or Only A Portion Of It , 1John 5; 7 Is Surround In Controversy Because There Are Two Versions Of This Verse Your Bibilical Scholars Say 1John 5; 7 . That Is Used In Most Bibles Today . Is Either Not The Origian Verse . Or They Say That Its Only Partially Genuine . There Have Been Many Arguments Between Scholars On This Subject When In Fact There Shouldn't Be Any Arguments Because The Original Aramaic And The Greek Manuscripts Don't Have This 1John 5 ; 7 , In It . The Problem Is They Really Don't Want To Admit That The Trinity Really Has No Basis In The Teaching Of Yashua , Making The Trinitarian Churches And Any Other Sect That Believe In This 3 In 1 Concept Obsolete , FurtherMore , In The Ancient Eastern Manusripts By George M Lamsa Which Is A Bible That Is Translated From The Original Aramaic And Syriac Language On Page 1222 , In 1John 5 ; 7 , You Will See That The Orginal Verse Says This ;... More In Next Post <>>>
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El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) .
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وَإِذۡ قُلۡنَا لِلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةِ ٱسۡجُدُواْ which means: And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, Here is a response by a sheikh on this question: Question : Why does the Quran use the term "we" in its ayats? Many non-believers believe that this may be in reference to Jesus? Praise be to Allaah. It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur'an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah, 4/143). "Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ?Verily, We have given you a manifest victory" [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that." (Al-?Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75). These words, innaa ("Verily We") and nahnu ("We"), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say "We have decided." etc. [This is known in English as "The Royal We" - Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur'an innaa ("Verily We") and nahnu ("We"), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as "Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur'an)" [al-Hijr 15:9 - interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): "And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful" [al-Baqarah 2:163] and "Say: He is Allaah, the One" [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] - and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels." (Reference: Al-?Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109). And Allaah knows best. Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com) They have answered to people for centuries by this, because they won`t believe in trinity any way. But for someone who wants think about this: changing the dialogue methods for purposes of respect or glorification is not appropriate for God. He glorify himself always by explain his activities and good deeds, and then do not need to change the egos for this purpose. Actually in the time of revelation of Quran this was not usual and you can`t find textures with this method of self glorification in egos before Quran. On the other hand the purpose of using Arabic language was accuracy and delicacy of this language to explaining everything clearly. For this, usually religious people can`t believe this in their hearts, but in arguing with others, will be different! When Quran talks about the right hand of God, they say this is not real; God never can have a hand! And when Quran talks about believers in everything which has revealed before Muhammad, they say he was not mean it really!! When Quran say everybody who has been created, do not invite them into your heart (Daavah) or do not call them, they say this is not about our leaders, and definitely is not about our messenger! As if they are not created!!! يَوۡمَ ٱلۡقِيَـٰمَةِ وَٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتُ مَطۡوِيَّـٰتُۢ بِيَمِينِهِۦۚ (39-67) �.on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens are rolled in His right hand� وَٱلَّذِينَ يُؤۡمِنُونَ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيۡكَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبۡلِكَ(1-4)� And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee� وَٱلَّذِينَ يَدۡعُونَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ لَا يَخۡلُقُونَ شَيۡـًٔ۬ا وَهُمۡ يُخۡلَقُونَ(16-20)� Those unto whom they cry below Allah created naught, but are themselves created. (20) Do you know what! They don`t believe that words of God has been changed, because they don`t know, when, who and in which of those words, only they are repeating what their leaders say! What a terrible deal, Quran says about such a people: أَفَمَن كَانَ عَلَىٰ بَيِّنَةٍ۬ مِّن رَّبِّهِۦ وَيَتۡلُوهُ شَاهِدٌ۬ مِّنۡهُ وَمِن قَبۡلِهِۦ كِتَـٰبُ مُوسَىٰٓ إِمَامً۬ا وَرَحۡمَةًۚ أُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ يُؤۡمِنُونَ بِهِۦۚ وَمَن يَكۡفُرۡ بِهِۦ مِنَ ٱلۡأَحۡزَابِ فَٱلنَّارُ مَوۡعِدُهُ ۥۚ فَلَا تَكُ فِى مِرۡيَةٍ۬ مِّنۡهُۚ إِنَّهُ ٱلۡحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَلَـٰكِنَّ أَڪۡثَرَ ٱلنَّاسِ لَا يُؤۡمِنُونَ (١٧) Is he (to be counted equal with them) who relied on a clear proof from his Lord, and a witness from Him recited it, and before it was the Book of Moses, an example and a mercy? Such believe therein, and whoso disbelieved therein of the clans, the Fire is his appointed place. So be not thou in doubt concerning it. Lo! It is the Truth from thy Lord; but most of mankind believes not. (17) If you ask them, they will say: yes we believe!!! Not because they read that book and admitted all of the words of God, but because they afraid of anger of God! And when you tell them what do you believe that you say yes!!!! They will say nothing, everything God says in Quran! But it�s not truth, because Quran say believe in the Gospel of Jesus and book of Moses, but most of mankind believes not! After all these they can`t explain us the verses of Quran more than say �from our spirit ( مِن رُّوحِنَا) means �from our angel�!!!! As if God wish to twist us in his words, not reveale something!!! You may know the meaning of:�Iaqfor� means covering the truth, covering something that you can cover that! Covering the truth of a book that you know about that in Quran and you have access enough to read that book, don`t you afraid of this warning of Quran?!!!
You may know the meaning of:�Iaqfor� means covering the truth, covering something that you can cover that! Covering the truth of a book that you know about that in Quran and you have access enough to read that book, don`t you afraid of this warning of Quran?!!! You see that Quran does not talking about the books of your leaders, Quran does not ask you to read their books their stories and their hadith es. only one thing ask you , believe in Quran and everything revealed before that, and you will not do this any way!! Are you cheating on yourself when say to yourself �I believe, but can`t read them!!" you would say I don`t believe because I can `t find that books!!!! For this reason, they are going to the fire, in this world, fire of sins, fire of conscience, fire of fighting with each other, fire of anger and lust, fire of ignorance, and this will continue for them, up to the other world, when they will go into the fire of hell! Edited by Moses - 17 September 2009 at 7:39am |
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None of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur'an 4:171] The above verse of the Quran 4:171, For Allah is One God,is enough to refute any form of trinity. Noble verse 5:73 says: "They do blaspheme who say: God is a third of three: for there is no god except One God........." No Mary, no Jesus, no Holy Spirit, no Hindu Trinity Quran does not tell us about several Gods! Neither Bible!! This is only u that think about God as several, because Christian people does not say such a thing and you persist that they are talking about several Gods, then this is in your mind not Christians or other people! �None of prophets does not teach this� because this is not for teaching, this believes in God as he says himself. Somebody believes in God and ask himself about what is he, and somebody put all of their feet in a show that �I can say what is the God� because as if he is dead or too weak to talk about himself! In religions, the leaders tell us what is God. They tell us that messengers say this and say that and that they have found these things in some books that they trusted on the authors! And you may believe them also. Then you can find what God is! But there are somebody who wants think and use their knowledge as well, these people can be good if they don`t think too much and more than their leaders!! God is only one. From the first to the last he was alone. But why they can`t think about him? Because our knowledge is not enough for knowing him, He is above on all of things that we can think about them. Then, for knowing him, neither I nor my leaders can understand about him. There is only one way, he should introduce himself to us. If somebody agrees, may ask him to do this, but before that, should clean his mind from any thought about God. And this is exactly the thing that religious people can`t do. For this reason God is something just like a painting for religious people. They can`t find the answer to their questions about God, and their leaders don`t encourage them to look through the Holy book for this purpose. Because as they look, people are not worthy enough to talk about the words of God! Then ask them to study the leader`s books instead of cleaning their thoughts and ask God himself to introduce. As you see I am not talking only about Muslims, Catholics....or other religions. This is the problem of religion, because, religion is something that human made that not God. Everybody who can trust on Almighty God, without any doubt, will find him written in his words. But nobody can trust on him if he trusts on human. For believe that human changed the words of God, you must first trust on human who can do this! If you can believe that human is capable to change the words of God, you will lose yourself in the hands of other people that can explain this subject to you. But if you come back from this way , you can find the words are simple enough to understand and you don`t need anybody explain that for you! This is the miracle of words of God. God is alone, but he can choose the way to work himself. He can use of his spirit which is not completely different, but is one action face of God himself. This is trinity. One God with 3 action face which we can find in his book after thinking in the presence of him and in his words in Holy Book, as he said himself. |
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None of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity.
Yes.
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur'an 4:171]
The above verse of the Quran 4:171, For Allah is One God,is enough to refute any form of trinity.
Noble verse 5:73 says:
"They do blaspheme who say: God is a third of three: for there is no god except One God........." No Mary, no Jesus, no Holy Spirit, no Hindu Trinity(Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva), and no lies! All forms of trinity or any plurality of GOD Almighty are false and lies!
Yes muslims believe in Torah,Injil,Zabur etc as Quran says:
Say (O Muslims), 'We believe in God, and what has been revealed to thee, and what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and what was given to Moses, and Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord,- we will make no distinction between any of them,- and we are unto Him resigned. 3:84
That is why we muslims believe in only the parts of the Bible that agree with the noble Quran.That parts that contradict the noble Quran are not the truth.
There is no Trinity in the Bible.
Here is a response by a sheikh on this question: Many non-believers believe that this may be in reference to Jesus?
"Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ?Verily, We have given you a manifest victory" [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that." (Al-?Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).
These words, innaa ("Verily We") and nahnu ("We"), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say "We have decided." etc. [This is known in English as "The Royal We" - Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur'an innaa ("Verily We") and nahnu ("We"), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers.
If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as "Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur'an)" [al-Hijr 15:9 - interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): "And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful" [al-Baqarah 2:163] and "Say: He is Allaah, the One" [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] - and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels." (Reference: Al-?Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109). And Allaah knows best.
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:��� إِذۡ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَـٰعِيسَىٰٓ إِنِّى مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَىَّmeans: (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee (making dead) and causing thee to ascend unto Me��. (١٢١) يَـٰبَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ ٱذۡكُرُواْ نِعۡمَتِىَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَنۡعَمۡتُ عَلَيۡكُمۡ وَأَنِّى فَضَّلۡتُكُمۡ عَلَى ٱلۡعَـٰلَمِينَ (121) O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. Totally reading the verses of Quran show us that Allah seems to be something and his spirit can go somewhere and act as something. ! For example about creation of Jesus you can see: فَأَرۡسَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡهَا رُوحَنَاin 19-16 Or in 4-171: إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ٱبۡنُ مَرۡيَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَڪَلِمَتُهُ ۥۤ أَلۡقَٮٰهَآ إِلَىٰ مَرۡيَمَ وَرُوحٌ۬ مِنۡهُۖ وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ (21:91) These are examples that show us Holy Spirit is coming down in world some times. And at the same time Allah is sending her, means, Allah do something by his Holy Spirit. Here is a response by a sheikh :
The Spirit mentioned in the Qur�an refers to different persons. The Holy Spirit mentioned in the Qur�an refers to the Angel Jibreel sent by Allah to assist His chosen servants in their divinely ordained missions.
The Christian concept of the Spirit is quite different from Islam. Many of them consider the Holy Spirit as Divine and a member of the Trinity. Some of them worship the Holy Sprit as God. This is not acceptable in Islam. In his response to your question, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America, states: The Qur�an uses the word ruh about twenty-one times. It primarily means �spirit� which is a creation of Allah and its true nature is known to Him alone. Allah says, [They ask you concerning the spirit. Say, it is from the command of my Lord. And from the knowledge you are given only a little.) (Al-Israa� 17: 85) Since the angels are spiritual beings, they are also called ruh. The angel Jibreel (Gabriel) - who is the Angel of revelation and used to bring revelation to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them both) is called in the Qur�an, Ar-Ruh (The Spirit, see Surat Maryam 19: 17), Ruh Al-Qudus (The Spirit of Sacredness or the Sacred Spirit, see Surat Al-Baqarah 2: 87; 253, Surat Al-Ma�idah 5: 110; Surat An-Nahl 16: 102) and Ar-Ruh Al-Amin (the Trustworthy Spirit, see Surat Ash-Shu`araa� 26: 193).
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"You can find trinity in Quran as well." You are absolutely correct:
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. (5:73) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (4:171) You have this backwards. Muslims can only accept Biblical scriptures if they are verified by The Quran, not the other way around.
"These are signs, not very public! But completely right and these are signs for everybody who wants know the truth."
God isn't keeping secrets or hiding things from us in The Quran, it is very clear in it's meaning:
6:114 (Y. Ali) Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah. - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.
16:89 (Y. Ali) One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
17:89 (Y. Ali) And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude
18:54 (Y. Ali) We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.
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None of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity.
Yes.
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur'an 4:171]
The above verse of the Quran 4:171, For Allah is One God,is enough to refute any form of trinity.
Noble verse 5:73 says:
"They do blaspheme who say: God is a third of three: for there is no god except One God........." No Mary, no Jesus, no Holy Spirit, no Hindu Trinity If you are really wanting to know about that , you suppose to believe in everything which God revealed before Muhammad. As God says in the second chapter of Quran, this book will lead you if you are a person that God says , means about your pray, your deed, and about believe in everything had been revealed for prophets before Muhammad. Knowing trinity in Quran is based on knowing trinity in Bible first. Afterward, you may come back to verses of Quran and find consciences (ego) which God attributed to himself. These are signs, not very public! But completely right and these are signs for everybody who wants know the truth. In verses which God is describing himself, you see (mostly) egos are solitaire. And when God is talking about his acts and activities (mostly), is using plural egos. Example, وَإِذۡ قُلۡنَا لِلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةِ ٱسۡجُدُواْ which means: And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, And in some of verses: :��� إِذۡ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَـٰعِيسَىٰٓ إِنِّى مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَىَّmeans: (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee (making dead) and causing thee to ascend unto Me��. (١٢١) يَـٰبَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ ٱذۡكُرُواْ نِعۡمَتِىَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَنۡعَمۡتُ عَلَيۡكُمۡ وَأَنِّى فَضَّلۡتُكُمۡ عَلَى ٱلۡعَـٰلَمِينَ (121) O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. Totally reading the verses of Quran show us that Allah seems to be something and his spirit can go somewhere and act as something. ! For example about creation of Jesus you can see: فَأَرۡسَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡهَا رُوحَنَاin 19-16 Or in 4-171: إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ٱبۡنُ مَرۡيَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَڪَلِمَتُهُ ۥۤ أَلۡقَٮٰهَآ إِلَىٰ مَرۡيَمَ وَرُوحٌ۬ مِنۡهُۖ وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ (21:91) These are examples that show us Holy Spirit is coming down in world some times. And at the same time Allah is sending her, means, Allah do something by his Holy Spirit. But when this issue come to the son, talking about the subject in Quran is not the will of God. May be because of avoid more confusion of human mind. (The subject is interesting for me as well and if someone interested may be shared more) If you admit this one we can continue about Jesus talks about sin to Holy Spirit. |
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Question: if the trinity is real it would have exsited from the begining correct. so why didn't god reveal this to abraham. or any other of the prophets in the bible from the past? there's no mention of a trinity from the warners of old. Question: if there is a trinity why didn't jesus include this in his teachings? he was part of it right? Question: if there is a trinity why did jesus refer to those involved in the trinity as seperate? jesus states : IF YOU SIN AGAINST THE FATHER YOU CAN BE FORGIVEN. IF YOU SIN AGAINST THE SON YOU CAN BE FORGIVEN. IF SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN, IN THIS WORLD OR THE NEXT. SEEMS JESUS THOUGHT THEY WERE SEPERATE BEINGS. IF NOT HOW CAN ONE SIN AGAINST ONE AND BE FORGIVEN AND NOT THE OTHER. leland Hi, God revealed the trinity to all of his prophets, but in the right time! You can find trinity in Quran as well. If you are really wanting to know about that , you suppose to believe in everything which God revealed before Muhammad. As God says in the second chapter of Quran, this book will lead you if you are a person that God says , means about your pray, your deed, and about believe in everything had been revealed for prophets before Muhammad. Knowing trinity in Quran is based on knowing trinity in Bible first. Afterward, you may come back to verses of Quran and find consciences (ego) which God attributed to himself. These are signs, not very public! But completely right and these are signs for everybody who wants know the truth. In verses which God is describing himself, you see (mostly) egos are solitaire. And when God is talking about his acts and activities (mostly), is using plural egos. Example, وَإِذۡ قُلۡنَا لِلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةِ ٱسۡجُدُواْ which means: And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, And in some of verses: :��� إِذۡ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَـٰعِيسَىٰٓ إِنِّى مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَىَّmeans: (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee (making dead) and causing thee to ascend unto Me��. (١٢١) يَـٰبَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ ٱذۡكُرُواْ نِعۡمَتِىَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَنۡعَمۡتُ عَلَيۡكُمۡ وَأَنِّى فَضَّلۡتُكُمۡ عَلَى ٱلۡعَـٰلَمِينَ (121) O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. Totally reading the verses of Quran show us that Allah seems to be something and his spirit can go somewhere and act as something. ! For example about creation of Jesus you can see: فَأَرۡسَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡهَا رُوحَنَاin 19-16 Or in 4-171: إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ٱبۡنُ مَرۡيَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَڪَلِمَتُهُ ۥۤ أَلۡقَٮٰهَآ إِلَىٰ مَرۡيَمَ وَرُوحٌ۬ مِنۡهُۖ وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ (21:91) These are examples that show us Holy Spirit is coming down in world some times. And at the same time Allah is sending her, means, Allah do something by his Holy Spirit. But when this issue come to the son, talking about the subject in Quran is not the will of God. May be because of avoid more confusion of human mind. (The subject is interesting for me as well and if someone interested may be shared more) If you admit this one we can continue about Jesus talks about sin to Holy Spirit. |
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