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Should I continue?
�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
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As Salamu Alaikum, Shasta'sAunt.They still at it.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

It makes absolute sense.

If muslims follow these verses then�they are truly on the correct path:



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Save yourself some time, you didnt have to post a response in order to do what you wanted to do in the first place, you can help yourself can you.Is this your way of showing love for all the people of the world.One question is Christianity one Ummah?                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Shasta - you can continue for as long as you want but the Gospel and Jesus do not condone violence towards non-believers or your enemy the way the Mohammad and the Quran does.
 
Akhe -Probably just as much as Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Admadhi, Baihai are all of one mind.
 
Hey Shasta - sorry to jump around but back to if Adam and Eve were forgiven why aren't muslims in the Garden of Eden?
 
I understand there is no original sin in Islam - what is this considered?
 
Book 008, Number 3472:

Hammam b. Munabbih said: These are some of the ahadith which Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrated to us from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and one of these (this one): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Had it not been for Bani Isra'il, food would not have become stale, and meal would not have gone bad; and had it not been for Eve, a woman would never have acted unfaithfully toward her husband.

 
Shasta are you a Quran only type of muslims?
 
Ahke - that is another one - Quran only muslims.
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Akhe -Probably just as much as�Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Admadhi, Baihai are all of one mind

Ahke - that is another one - Quran only muslim
[By Akhe Abdullah] The Qur'an is universal for all man kind.thats why Jews and Christians are mentioned in the Qur'an.The aboved mention Islamic Sect are all Muslim they all take Shahada.Jehovah Witness,Seven Day Adventist,Catholics,Mormans,Baptis,Cogic,Antioch,and there's plenty more. Can you say Branch Dividian or Jim Jones(Just kinding).see I can be ridiculous too LOL. Seriously lets stick to the subject topic of discussion.

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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Shasta - you can continue for as long as you want but the Gospel and Jesus do not condone violence towards non-believers or your enemy the way the Mohammad and the Quran does.
 
The Quran does not "condone violence", it allows people the right of self defense.
As for Jesus and the gospels not condoning violence, that's your opinion. Jesus said:
 
Matthew 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
 
and then he tells his disciples to go and buy said swords:
 
Luke 22:36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
 
And:
 
Luke 19:27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
 
There are millions of Christians around the world who use these and other such scriptures to condone violence.  As one of the LRA's members stated:

�.According to Green, Ugandan newspapers described Kony as a self-styled prophet who wanted to rule according to the Ten Commandments.

Green quoted one of Kony�s aides, Moses, say: �Kony is a messenger from God! We follow the commands of the Holy Spirit!�

Moses continues to explain Kony�s reasoning: �If someone has done something bad to you, you have to kill them!�

�Go and read in Matthew, chapter what and what, it is stated that if your right hand causes trouble, cut if off! It is there in the Bible!�

or as the most recent murderous thug commented:
 
"In postings on the internet, Sodini said he read the Bible on Sunday because he expected to see God and Jesus Tuesday night. And he claimed his former pastor told him that mass murder was not a bar to reaching heaven.
 
Sodini's family was Catholic, but for 13 years Sodini attended the non-denominational Tetelestai Church in Plum.

In his online posting, Sodini made this astounding claim about his former pastor: "This guy teaches (and convinced me) you can commit mass murder and then still go to heaven."
 
Akhe -Probably just as much as Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Admadhi, Baihai are all of one mind.
 
They are as far as Jesus being God. Christians don't even all agree on this fundamental tenant.
 
Hey Shasta - sorry to jump around but back to if Adam and Eve were forgiven why aren't muslims in the Garden of Eden?
 
Because God didn't create us to live in the Garden of Eden. He created us to be vicegerents of the earth. I thought you had read the Quran.
 
2:30 (Y. Ali) Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."
 
I understand there is no original sin in Islam - what is this considered?
 
Book 008, Number 3472:

Hammam b. Munabbih said: These are some of the ahadith which Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrated to us from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and one of these (this one): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Had it not been for Bani Isra'il, food would not have become stale, and meal would not have gone bad; and had it not been for Eve, a woman would never have acted unfaithfully toward her husband.

 
Shasta are you a Quran only type of muslims?
 
Believer, I know we have all stated a million times that if a Hadith contradicts the Quran then the Quran, the Word of God always takes precedence. ALWAYS. Frankly I have never seen the Hadith you posted above. That is a problem with Hadith, there are so many that it is easy for anti-Islamic polemists to slip in the false ones and try to claim they are authentic. THAT is why we always refer back to the Quran. If the Quran states that Adam and Eve are both responsible for disobeying God, then it doesn't matter how many Hadith state otherwise.
 
It is very simple: the Quran is the Word of God, always correct always to be followed.
The Hadith are the writings of men: subject to contradiction and flaws and NEVER to be put above the Word of God.
 
Ahke - that is another one - Quran only muslims.


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Originally posted by PattyaMainer PattyaMainer wrote:

 
Nur,
 
You  really need to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church before you make so many inaccurate statements regarding the doctrine and beliefs of the Church.  You know only what you have been told.  And it is not true in so very many instances.  If you cannot show references or links where you get some of the ideas you innocently post on this site, you should not post them........because they are woefully inaccurate.
 
I wish you peace and wisdom.  Do a little studying and reading, dear.
 
God's Peace,
Patty


I would love to know more of the Cathechism from you Patty. Perhaps you can open another thread titled Christian's Cathechism?

Patty, most of us in this whole world do believe in a God. Because we are born to seek Him. Your connection with God is real. I cannot deny that. Same with a Jew's connection with God or a devout Hindu. Same as with me. Spiritually, we are communicating with the Same God of the Whole Universe. So on that part, spiritually, we are on the same track.

However I would say that there is a hijab or a barrier between other religion with God as compared with Islamic understanding of God. In Islam, the idea of God is clear and precise and befits a Supreme Being, The Creator of the Whole Universe, while in other religion, worshiping of God is via a Creation of His. As to the idea of the Jewish One God, to me is very unfair. God is not like that at all.

Allah is Al-Adl - Most Fair.


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Christian man slits daughter's throat,claims God told him to do it.Cry

A Mansfield man crept into the home of his former girlfriend early yesterday and, believing he was acting on God�s orders, slit their 6-year-old daughter�s throat, authorities said.

Worried that the mother planned to move away with young Kaitlynn, Kristopher L. Griffin slashed a window screen and clambered through a bulkhead before killing the girl, a prosecutor said in court yesterday.

�The defendant indicated that the only way he could save his daughter was to kill her, that God ordered him to do it,�� said Cynthia Brackett, an assistant Bristol district attorney, recounting an interview Griffin gave to police.

The 35-year-old Griffin left a note seeking �forgiveness for sending Katie to heaven�� and begged police to shoot him after he was picked up wandering barefoot in the rain in the quiet before dawn, according to police. But in court yesterday he said nothing, staring at the floor and sobbing as he faced charges of murder and home invasion. A plea of not guilty was entered on his behalf.

The judge ordered Griffin held without bail until his next court appearance in August and directed he undergo psychiatric evaluation at Bridgewater State Hospital.

�I think it�s pretty apparent that there are some serious mental health issues here,�� Joseph Krowski, Griffin�s public counsel, said after the arraignment.

The ghastly nature of the slaying stunned police and local residents. �It�s horrific and heartbreaking; there�s no other way to say it,�� Mansfield Police Chief Arthur M. O�Neill said.

After investigators had finished collecting evidence from the Chilson Avenue duplex where Kaitlynn was killed, her tiny bicycle remained in the driveway, resting on training wheels. A pink helmet dangled from the handlebars, matching the frame. Neighbor Jimbo Tardivo choked up as he considered it. Kaitlynn would wave and tell playful stories from her second-floor window whenever she saw him below, he said.

�She was a little peanut, a little star in that window, and I�m going to miss her,�� Tardivo said, his chest heaving under a Harley-Davidson T-shirt as he sobbed. �She was so adorable.��

Tardivo said Griffin and his girlfriend, who was not identified by police, appeared to have a rocky relationship. Police and prosecutors said the couple broke up two weeks ago, and Griffin went to live in a camper in the yard of a friend�s house on Ware Street, 1 1/2 miles away.

At about 4:05 yesterday morning, the owners of that house called 911 to say that Griffin, who authorities say has been hospitalized multiple times for mental illness, had disappeared and might be in danger of harming himself. Twelve minutes later, the homeowners called again to say that they had discovered a frightening note indicating that Griffin�s daughter could be in danger.In between those calls, Officer Joshua Ellender discovered Griffin wandering on East Street barefoot but wearing a backpack. Appearing calm, Griffin told the officer that he had merely gone for a walk to an all-night pharmacy to get medication, and he accepted a ride home.

Back on Ware Street, one of the homeowners approached the cruiser and told the officer about the note. According to the officer�s report, Ellender asked Griffin if he had hurt anyone, and he replied: �Yes. . . . She�s gone, I had to save her, I killed my little girl.��

Griffin, with blood staining his cheek and chin, shouted that he wanted to die, banged his head against the police cruiser�s glass, and begged to be shot, Ellender wrote. Griffin handed over the backpack containing the knife he allegedly used to kill his daughter and told police she could be found in the basement of the Chilson Avenue home.

At the same time, other officers were on their way to the yellow, two-family house. When they arrived, the child�s mother told them she thought the girl was asleep in bed. But police found her under a blanket in the basement, her throat slit, O�Neill said.

Taken to the station for booking, Griffin asked police if Massachusetts had the death penalty. Told it did not, he became disconsolate and tried to hit his head against the wall, prompting officers to handcuff Griffin to a bar to prevent him from harming himself, police said.

His clothing removed for evidence, Griffin appeared in an open-backed johnny yesterday in Taunton District Court, under the jurisdiction of Attleboro District Court, which was displaced from its own courthouse by a fire. At 5-foot-5, the 235-pound Griffin was dwarfed by the court officers who flanked him.

O�Neill, the Mansfield chief, said Griffin had no record of violence in the seven or eight years since he moved to the area from Florida.

But criminal records in that state show Griffin was arrested in 1999 by the Jacksonville sheriff�s office on an aggravated-assault charge for a reported domestic incident, but the charge was apparently dropped.

A spokeswoman for the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families said she could not comment on whether the department had been involved with the family.

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