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Bruce
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Whisper
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B: Sorry, not as familiar with this - what plebesite was promised? B: You tell me Sasha - how has this happened - at all - regardless, especially with all the Muslims killed by AQ over the years? He was a nobody before the troops were positioned in Suadia. Even Pentagon realised that and that is also one of the reasons for attacking Iraq - to use it as the primary Anglo-American Mid East garrison. Time seems to indicate that won't work out the way it's planned. |
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Attention b95000 & community: I don't need to comment now . It is all yours to rip murtha--go at it.
I will follow you-- Hawk Democrat Calls
for Immediate Pullout John Murtha, a By
LIZ SIDOTI, AP WASHINGTON
(Nov. 17) - One of Congress' most hawkish and influential Democrats called
Thursday for an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, sparking bitter and personal
salvos from both sides in a growing Capitol Hill uproar over President Bush's
war policies. "It's
time to bring them home," said Rep. John Murtha, a decorated The comments
by the "Our troops have become the
primary target of the insurgency. They are united against In a biting
response, Republicans criticized Murtha's position as one of abandonment and
surrender and accused Democrats of playing politics with the war and recklessly
pushing a "cut and run" strategy. "They
want us to retreat. They want us to wave the white flag of surrender to the
terrorists of the world," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. Rep. Sam
Johnson, R-Texas, a 29-year Air Force veteran who was a prisoner of war in Underscoring
the rising emotions of the war debate, Murtha uncharacteristically responded to
Vice President Dick Cheney's comments this week that Democrats were spouting
"one of the most dishonest and reprehensible charges" about the Bush
administration's use of intelligence before the war. "I like guys who've never been there that
criticize us who've been there," said Murtha, a former Marine. "I
like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send
people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be
done." Referring to
Bush, Murtha added, "I resent the fact, on Veterans Day, he criticized
Democrats for criticizing them." The White
House fired back from "Congressman
Murtha is a respected veteran and politician who has a record of supporting a
strong "The
eve of an historic democratic election in Murtha once
worked closely with the vice president when Cheney was defense secretary.
During Just two
days earlier, the GOP-controlled Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to
lay out a timetable for withdrawal. Spotlighting mushrooming questions from
both parties about the war, though, the chamber then approved a statement that
2006 should be a significant year in which conditions are created for the
phased withdrawal of Murtha
estimated that all On the Senate floor Thursday, Minority
Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called on President Bush and the White House to stop
what he called an orchestrated attack campaign. "It's a weak, spineless display of
politics at a time of war," said Reid, who spoke while Bush was in The
rhetorical dueling came in a week in which Bush and other top administration
officials lashed out at war critics, saying they advocate a strategy that will
only embolden the insurgency. Some Senate
Democrats have already laid out plans for bringing home With a Bronze Star and two Purple
Hearts, Murtha retired from the Marine Corps reserves as a colonel in 1990
after 37 years as a Marine, only a few years longer than he's been in Congress.
Elected in 1974, Murtha has become known as an authority on national security
whose advice was sought out by Republican and Democratic administrations alike. Murtha's
shift from an early war backer to a critic advocating withdrawal reflects
plummeting public support for a war that has cost more than $200 billion and led to the deaths of more
than 2,000 Known as a
friend and champion of officers at the Pentagon and in the war zone, it is
widely believed in Congress that Murtha often speaks for those in uniform and
could be echoing what Murtha, who
normally shuns the spotlight, said he spoke out because he has grown
increasingly troubled by the war and has a constitutional and moral obligation
to speak for the troops. But
Republicans said Murtha does not represent the views of "This
falloff of support among Democratic ranks is not shared by the war-fighting
forces. It's not shared by our troops," said Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif.,
chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Several
times a year, Murtha travels to His voice cracked and tears filled his
eyes as he related stories of one of his visits to wounded soldiers at One man, he said, was blinded and lost
both his hands but had been denied a Purple Heart because friendly fire caused
his injuries. "I met with the commandant. I said, 'If you don't give him a Purple Heart, I'll give him one of mine.' And they gave him a Purple Heart," said Murtha, who has two. |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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I was on my way here to post this article. Rep. Murtha is from the district in Pennsylvania where I grew up. I have voted for the man. I have met the man. If he says its time to get out and that the leadership is incompetent. We should listen. He's very active with the Pennsylvania Veterans and he's a good man. The president is losing this war on two fronts. He's not gaining anything by being there and he's losing what respect the US had as a humanitarian country that helps in a time of need. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll this week said 63 percent of Americans oppose Bush's handling of the Iraq war, and 52 percent say troops should be pulled out now or within 12 months. The question becomes....other than hoping and asking Men like Murtha to speak for us. What can the average American (not Amreeki) do? We aren't barbaric enough to start strapping bombs to ourselfs and targeting Washington cause we don't agree. What are we to do, to show that the average American is a good person with a good heart? |
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Whisper
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Angela, Amreeki is simply American in Farsi and few other languages. It doesn't carry any negative sense at all. I have always used it to emphasise Afghan feel, not for any other reason.
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b95000
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Do you really think the forces should pull out ahead of the parliamentary elections for permanent government? That's what Murtha suggested - by using the words "immediate redeployment" he suggests that the US should begin drawing forces down before the elections..if he did NOT mean that he should have said so. |
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Bruce
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Angela
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Its my understanding that elections are to be in the month of December. The shear number of troops we have there would require a strategic and steady pull out. It would not be. "Hey boys, we're going home, flight leaves tomorrow." But, once the elections are over, I don't think we should have more than a few training troops left to help the Iraqi police and guards with their training, and then they need pulled too. Because we've fallen into a trap. They don't like us there, they kill us, we stay to fight the insurgents, which gives them more recruits to kill us, which means we have to stay longer to hunt them....and the cycle continues. Once the elections are over in December, we have no need of being there. Period. The Geneva Convention requires we rebuild a country we invade, but if they don't want us there, then we need to leave. Iraq is not the 51st state, once they have their own government. They have every right to expect us out of there. Iraq is not ours, it belongs to the Iraqi people. If they want to continue to bomb each other, its their problem not ours. The insurgents cannot blame the deaths of innocent men and women in prayer at a mosque on the US. They will have to face the fact they are killing muslims for their own agenda. We need out of there so the Iraqi people can get on with their lives.
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b95000
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Fine. However, to say "immediate redeployment" again emboldens
the terrorists ahead of one of the more important events - that is -
the election of the permanent government - that will portend to
ultimate success for all in Iraq. I can respect Murtha while
disagreeing with his assessment, choice of words and timing...why not
say these things just after the election?
As to the US getting out - that was/is the plan.. That said, I acknowledge the incredibly hard and sacrificial work of all Iraqis and Americans who have labored for a free Iraq. Edited by b95000 |
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Bruce
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