Where have all the Debators gone?

Patty wrote: The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary was formally declared to be dogma by Pope Benedict XIV in the encyclical De Festis B.V.M.; Roman Catholics must therefore hold the doctrine as being necessary to salvation. Pope Pius XII, in Munificentissimus Deus [1], reiterated "We pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory." The establishment of this dogma as "necessary to salvation" is widely taken to be an example of the Pope's invoking papal infallibility.

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As I wrote earlire,the Christians have neither given the status to JesusYeshuaIssa nor to MaryMeriumMaryam they deserved on merit, only under unjustified and clever influence of Paul who robbed them off their truthful honor only to establish his own hegemony over the simple and ignorant people called Christians, I am sorry to say, but that is a fact. As Paul was disrespectful to Jesus� disciples so he belittled Mary so much so that one does not find any account of her life after when JesusYeshuaIssa and MaryMeriumMaryam last met at Galilee. Paul got Jesus cleverly ascended to heavens to pave his way for absolute hegemony over the church going people; and disciples and Mary he never cared about them. As pointed out by Patty, (this was not perhaps even known by the Popes  who succeeded Paul), so much so that to rectify this grey patch, at a very late stage Pope Benedict XIV  corroborated    lately also by Pope Pius XII ; they invented/concocted the belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary and defined it to be a divinely revealed dogma ( now one could see how the NTGospels had been revealed/fabricated/played with): that their Immaculate Mother of God, their ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life ( while they knew nothing about her historically, or if they knew they opted to conceal it from the public for their vested interests) was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory." The establishment of this dogma as "necessary to salvation" is widely taken to be an example of the Pope's invoking papal infallibility (which in fact is a proof of Pope�s fallibility/sinfulness and his clear attempt at corrupting the Christian faith in the ages gone bye). So this is how Paul and Popes dealt with the Christianity; how cruel they had been to humanity? Would the Christians now realize it, if they wake up from their great slumber of two thousands+ years! 

But Quran is graceful and magnanimous, it not only gave a lofty status to JesusYeshuaIssa he deserved but in its own style Quran made Mary one of the highest example of the believers till the end of the world. For detail, please read my earlier post in this thread.

Bridging gaps between religions and working for unity of all revealed religions with peaceful means.

Patty wrote: I would imagine he looked somewhat like the Palestinian men pictured above.  He would have been dark or olive skinned.

You see! Christians knew and know perfectly well that Jesus did not look like the pictures they worship!

Yet another proof! Christians just want to worship the picture of a white, European Lord from the middle ages, regardless of how Jesus looked.

The whole purpose of Christianity is to worship these pictures, and Jesus is just an excuse to do so.

minuteman wrote: I do not like that any one should abuse any man of God.

I think the Christians seriously abuse Jesus by making pictures of another man and calling such pictures Jesus.

minuteman wrote: I still find the arguments of crasss have upper hand even though I do not understand the matter very well as to what is really at stake.

Christian society has always been a class-based nightmare: The Lords, the Clergy, and the serfs (=slaves).  It actually still is today.

How did the Christians mislead the serfs into accepting such arrangement? By making a picture of a white, European man, calling that man the Lord, pretending that he is Jesus, pretending that he is the son of God, and then call the privileged class: the Lords, which are simply the other sons of God.

The purpose of that religion is to create a society based on slavery. Just look at the old slave plantations in the United States: In the middle of the plantation, you have something that looks like a castle. Around it, you have the huts of the black slaves. It looks exactly like a domain from the Middle Ages! It is exactly the same principle!

The Americans are still praying to that picture of a white, European man, the non-Jesus Lord, and this entire mindset is still there. That is why they need to colonize and enslave countries around the world. It is this racist religion that does it! All the trouble in Iraq, Afghanistan,  and other places, et cetera, is because of this racist slavery system, called Christianity.

To crasss,

You don't read anything anyone offers to you as far as their true beliefs.  You just chant the same old, same old garbage over and over again.  Your knowledge of Roman Catholism is woefully lacking, to the point that I seriously doubt that you were ever Catholic.  Here's a question or two regarding the Church:

1)  What is it that EVERY Catholic does at mass immediately after the priest announces the Gospel reading for the day?

2)  What is absolutely NOT permissable at the end of a Catholic funeral.....Rite of the Christian Burial?

Apparently you chose to dismiss the post I sent you regarding IDOLATRY within the Catholic Church.  It is HERESY, and we do not worship pictures, statues, icons, etc., etc.  We do NOT pray to them. We appreciate them as a reminder of the person.  We do not pray to a picture of a white Jesus, or any other person.  We do not worship Mary or elevate her above God, nor do we worship or elevate any of the Saints.  We hope to be more holy, as they were. 

But you don't want to believe what I'm telling you....and I do know my Church and my faith.  Because you love hating the Church, hating the white European people, hating the wealthy, and hating anything else that goes against your hatefilled mind.  You can fool some of these kind, easy-going Muslims, but you'll never fool me.  I know what you are about.....and it's very evil.  You, crasss, are the epitomy of evil.  And that is my own personal opinion to which I am also entitled. You have an agenda alright.....and that agenda is all about spreading more hate and discontent amongst the people of the world.  No wonder we can't have peaceful dialogues when the world is full of the likes of you.

I hope and pray to God that the Muslims are somehow able to see with their eyes wide open what you are really doing on this site.  I pray that someday you will learn what God is really all about and that He will touch your heart and mind and give you wisdom and peace.

I've tried my best to communicate with you.  I've tried to be patient. But I will not stand still while you continue to bash my religion and my faith.  Not without at least having MY say.