Jesus was crucified according to historia

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Believer: no I meant
when Jesus was first place on the cross

Isa a.s.
has never been crucified. There is no doubt at all that he is not killed nor
crucified according to the literal words of Quran. 

Allah s.w.t raised him up.
Was his body raised up or his soul as well? It seems to me both his body and
soul were raised up almost at the same time that people wanted to kill him.
Allah s.w.t raised him up and people killed another person instead of him by
mistake. Allah�o�alam. However, regardless of whether his body is also taken up
or not, he will come back again on this earth. When he comes back he will kill
the Antichrist (Dajjal) with his hands and will pray behind a man among
Muslims.

It sounds like
you are saying there was no need to preach after Jesus.there was no need to
preach after Jesus?

If you mean new religion or
revelation as a religion by �preaching�, there is no need for that as Islam is
the last one. When Isa a.s. comes back, it is
not for preaching a new religion. Although, today, many Christians may not
accept the Islam or the last prophet Mohammad s.a.w.a. but Isa a.s. does not
have to follow Christians, does he? Isa a.s. preached the news of the last
prophet many times when he was on the earth (as Moses a.s. did).

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myahya Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2008 Status: Offline Points: 222	Post Options Post Reply Quote myahya Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 July 2008 at 11:13pm
	Believer: no I meant when Jesus was first place on the cross Isa a.s. has never been crucified. There is no doubt at all that he is not killed nor crucified according to the literal words of Quran. Allah s.w.t raised him up. Was his body raised up or his soul as well? It seems to me both his body and soul were raised up almost at the same time that people wanted to kill him. Allah s.w.t raised him up and people killed another person instead of him by mistake. Allah�o�alam. However, regardless of whether his body is also taken up or not, he will come back again on this earth. When he comes back he will kill the Antichrist (Dajjal) with his hands and will pray behind a man among Muslims. It sounds like you are saying there was no need to preach after Jesus.there was no need to preach after Jesus? If you mean new religion or revelation as a religion by �preaching�, there is no need for that as Islam is the last one. When Isa a.s. comes back, it is not for preaching a new religion. Although, today, many Christians may not accept the Islam or the last prophet Mohammad s.a.w.a. but Isa a.s. does not have to follow Christians, does he? Isa a.s. preached the news of the last prophet many times when he was on the earth (as Moses a.s. did).

believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 July 2008 at 7:00pm
	myahya - Who do you think was put on the cross in place of Jesus? Why doesn't it say in the Quran that another was substituted for Jesus and the name of the person?
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

myahya Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2008 Status: Offline Points: 222	Post Options Post Reply Quote myahya Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 July 2008 at 1:02am
	Believer: Who do you think was put on the cross in place of Jesus? It is not written in Quran, may be in Hadith it can be found I have to search. Why doesn't it say in the Quran that another was substituted for Jesus When it says in Quran "it was made (or appeared) to them", the first and straight forward meaning one can imagine is that somebody else was crucified (who was appeared to them as Isa a.s.) Edited by myahya - 24 July 2008 at 1:05am

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 July 2008 at 1:05am
	For Nur Ilahi: I had posted the words of the authentic Hadith as follows: By the One in whose hand is my life (i.e. Allah), surely Isa ibne Maryam will descend amongst you as a just judge. He will break the cross and kill the swine and abolish Jizyah......" Please consider the words of the Hadith. If they are acceptable then try to give your comments about the above Hadith. Thereby please explain this all important Hadith (words of the holy prophet s.a.w.s.). Welcome.

believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2008 at 7:30am
	myahya - ok, I see how we have interpreted the words differently. "it was made to them" to me means that Jesus' body died but He was not truly dead because His spirit was alive, but the witnesses could not see that because as humans we can only see the outward form of the body. Jesus' spirit did go to the souls in prison to preach while His body was in the tomb so He was away from GOD. This is spiritual death for the Christian- being away from GOD.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2008 at 11:45pm
	Dear Believer, we Muslims do not believe that Jesus was god. We believe that he did not die on the cross. That is the teaching of the Quran. We cannot understand your beliefs. You believe that Jesus was god. Then you believe that he died too. How could a god die? Then you believe that while he was dead for three days, Jesus was in hell. Horrible beliefs. You are building youir own religion and turning into different alleys the way you like. You people believed in the original sin, that every human being is a sinner, even a one day new born baby is a sinner. Why is that? For that you invented the death of Jesus on the cross so that he take away the sin of the people. First you make the all people sinners, even a new born baby and even all prophets you make sinners (except Jesus). That is a funny selective attitude. Then you want to kill Jesus, an innocent person, for the sins of others. Why? It is not fair to kill some one for the sins of others. If a crime (sin) is committed by A and B, you kill C for their crimes. There is Trinity too. Unexplanable Trinity. It was John who wrote "in the beginning was word. The word was with God. The word was god." Quite strange sentence. The word was with God. The word was God. How could that be? It means that God was with God. Who told that to John? Mathew and Luke and Mark did not know about all that. Why? That is three against one. These words are not of Jesus. So who told all that about the word business to John. He was nobody to invent something which even Jesus did not say and did not know. Believer, there are many complications in the church teachings. We Muslims have simple teachings. You can believe what you like and teach what you like. There is no harm to us. But please consider our points too. Thanks.

believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 July 2008 at 6:59am
	It doesn't matter if you believe Jesus is GOD, but you must believe that He died on the Cross for you!! What you call horrible is actually beautiful. LOL!! I didn't make them sinners their own nature did this. Where does it say in the Quran that all are sinless, or any are sinless? You don't have to believe in the Trinity!! GOD's Word the Quran says the same about Jesus, He is GOD's Word. How amazing that GOD's Word could be made flesh. You believe that GOD's Word was made Quran!! Some Muslims believe the Quran always was. Just as the Bible says of GOD's Word Jesus. Just because the other Bible authors didn't write it doesn't mean they didn't agree with John. How could it be explained in a more beautiful way? GOD told John what to write down for all to read!! Yes I am considering your points, but there is much confusion in whether to believe hadith or Quran only- why do you have to rely on hadith to understand GOD's Word? Why are there words that no one understands- what is GOD's point in that?!? The most important thing that MUST be studied: Why can the very words of the Quran be translated into another language and match up with the Bible stories when in anopther they do not!!
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 July 2008 at 12:31pm
	Believer, God has many words. Not just one (Jesus). That word was some order for the creation of Jesus. That was to "Be" and he was. That does not make Jesus or that word as God. God has many words. Those are not God. If you are taking support from Quran then Quran only says "it was a word from Allah". The Quran also says that Jesus is not God. So please believe that too. Do not believe just one sentence. Thanks.