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    Posted: 12 February 2006 at 10:29pm

Islam thinks it has some God given right to migrate into a small country
like Denmark and not only live off and take that which the indigenous
people have established but want to change that nations culture and
religion.

And why is it that Islam cannot make their own small area like the Gaza
Strip into a very acceptable destination for tourists instead of the very
uncivilized place it seems to be, even though billions of dollars are given
in aid?

Islam seems to be a religion of taking and not giving.

Sad

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I say judge a people, culture and religion by their treatment of animals.
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Originally posted by JohnDM JohnDM wrote:



I say judge a people, culture and religion by their treatment of animals.

If that's the case, what does our industrialized, high density poultry and livestock farming practices say about us?

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JohnDM

Thanks for your post.

First let me clarify a misunderstanding. You are mixing culture with Islam. They are not necessarily the same thing.

Islam is a set of principle given by God through the Prophets. It is as much relevant to you as a human being as to any other person living on the face of this planel. This post is not about Islam so I will not delve into this subject anymore.

If an Arab individual does something wrong it is foolish to blame principles of Islam. It is similar to blaming christianity for all the misdeeds of people who are christians.

Unfortunately there are too many people who mix culture with principles of Islam and believe they have a God given right to speak on behalf of Islam (without the knowing that there is no room for the kind of violence they pratice and teach).

Therefore I request you not to form opinion so quickly. Do some research and STOP Islam bashing.

Let me ask you some questions

Is it humane to hurt to feeling of millions of people by ridiculing their leaders"?

And does this represent the thinking of majority of the indiginous people you are referring to?

And is it the teaching of christianity to hurt others feeling like they have done"?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JohnDM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 February 2006 at 2:36am

Why can't the Moslems walk away from offensive cartoons instead of
using them as a means of platform to scream and shout "Off with their
heads!"

Please note I do NOT bash Islam. So your sensitivity speaks more about
you then me.

Have too many Moslems an inferior complex?

I feel sorry for the Moslems for the Elite has its hook into millions of them
and are dragging them into a great war in which the men will die.

Sad,

John D. Miller

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It was said:
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the
differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the
political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be
conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and
political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.
Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be
constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and
economical exhaustion�We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists,
and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror
will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of
savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens,
obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of
revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the
multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from
that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but
without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light
through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer,
brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from
the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of
Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same
time."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote smanzoor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 February 2006 at 3:48am

Originally posted by JohnDM JohnDM wrote:


Please note I do NOT bash Islam.

Thanks. I hope you will honor your words and be careful in the future.

Originally posted by JohnDM JohnDM wrote:


I feel sorry for the Moslems for the Elite has its hook into millions of them and are dragging them into a great war in which the men will die.

I partially agree with you. But donot forget the imperialists have their own henious designs. May be you can say more on one other thread called "Why dictators rule the Muslim Countries"

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"And why is it that Islam cannot make their own small area like the Gaza
Strip into a very acceptable destination for tourists instead of the very
uncivilized place it seems to be, even though billions of dollars are given
in aid?"

Dubai among others is "an acceptable destination for tourists". But why is "an acceptable destination for tourists" your measure of progress? Many such places are just sex-slave markets.  

Anyway, if you want to blame anyone for the condition of the Garza and the West Bank, blame the European and North American intruders who robbed the land by ethnic cleansing and have been disorganizing civilised conditions there ever since. 

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Islam thinks it has some God given right to migrate into a small country  like Denmark and not only live off and take that which the indigenous people have established but want to change that nations culture and religion.

Islam is not the issue here.. It is a clash of cultures and values of individual people. It is about many things.. fear and ignorance being two of them. The fact that papers published these 'cartoons' demonstrates irresponsibilty. Some people in this world WANT this conflict to continue. Who REALLY benefits from this conflict? Follow the money and you'll find the answer. And many people follow without a thought in the head. It is true in all type of movements.. look at any type of conflict and see what the masses were told.. be it in Germany/Europe before WWII, the US people about Vietnam, or the people of Rawanda before the genocide. Each person, no matter their religion has moral responsibilities to do what is right. This includes people in Denmark, US, Kuwait, China or Argentina. Given the current situation the newspapers should have refused to publish. They should have asked some Moslem leaders what would be the reaction.  They need to be smarter then this. Considering the reckless policy of the current US government threatens many people by creating fear and anger to publish this is irresponsible.

you know this brought me to thinking... I watched a piece on slavery and the making of America. And this educator was in Angola at a point where they rounded up Africans to be taken on the boats across the ocean. And there was the preacher/priest there to 'baptize' them before enslaving them and putting them on the boats.. Their participation in one of the worst atrocities in history is very clear. Is that the message of Christianity? Clearly not. .but people will use all types of things.. religion, nationality etc. to justify their actions. 

 

 

 

 

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Islam thinks it has some God given right to migrate into a small country
like Denmark and not only live off and take that which the indigenous
people have established but want to change that nations culture and
religion.

whoa buddy! Islam is a religion, not a people. 
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