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Israfil
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Sakeena wow that was a weird post you made..... Aka2x2, I applaud this woman's courage however I don't encourage it. Here is why I don't think what she did was smart 1) She is a small framed woman. Her frame is important because she was wielding an axe, and if the robber is a lot bigger asnd stronger he can easily use the weapon against her. 2) Most robberies of this nature usually end up with little loss. Arson happens to be a bigger crime than simple robbery. Because most local stores carry petty cash not large amounts of money, but robbers tend to think store owners carry large amounts of money in registers. 3) If it is money, it can be replaced. If it is items it can be replaced. This isn't about criticizing someone its about stating the facts. If you had a store would you encourage your mom to defend it with an axe or a gun? Even as a police officer I would not fight the robber and leave the crime solving to the proper authorities. I encourage no individual to try to take the law into their hands. |
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sakeena
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No one cares what the "law" of Allah (swt) says. Ok, astagfirallah, end sarcasm. Yes, she did very well, even if it was wrong for her to do it, which the majority of folks seem to think. Which is absolutely fine by all means. It's ok, I suppose, to say she was "lucky" instead of blessed. But I guess that is matter of opinion *shrug* It's fine to talk about the "what if's", but it's just allegory brought about to prove a certain point. Wait wait wait, I feel that I am going to end up banging my head against a wall. Disregard. |
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aka2x2
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The "law" of Allah (swt) says you can defend yourself. If you are successful, you deserve to be congradulated not criticized or second guessed. Masha-Allah she did well against a "REAL" robber. |
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Israfil
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Hakeema very good question and good inquiry on the issue. I would say it would not have made it to the forum. However, if it had, I'm sure I'd respond with something relating to my condolences but I doubt it would get the responses it has now.
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hakeema
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As-salaam Alaikum, I have a question. If the story stated she was killed by the robber after she gave he/she what she wanted. She didn't fight back. What would be said on this forum? Hakeema |
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Hayfa
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Well in a way rock on Sister! I do however, agree with Israfil. I teach self-defense and we always recommend if it is a property crime to give them your property (and this is in US, I speak for no other cultures). If a person has a weapon they most likely will use it if you resist. I have heard more stories of people who resisted a proprty crime and had been shot or stabbed to death. This goes for men and women. We never teach women to fight for property. It is not worth you life. If it is a personal crime-rape, sexual assault, physical assault, it is often better to fight then not. But always its a woman's choice. She "reacted" and kept her wits about her, but more often then not, this response would result in grave injury to her. I am sad she had to go through the expeience. It is VERY scary! Thanks to Allah she is alright. |
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Israfil
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Agreed. If you're going to fight, fight fire with fire. Ak you with your military background you know that any individual in going to battle should never "bring a knife to a gun fight" in this case it was an axe. Abuayisha, I too agree that every store owner has every right to defend their property. But in situations where life is at stake we must analyze risk and whether we want to take that risk. Today I did a call where a store owner lost her life trying to fight a robber. Like the woman in the article she was small framed and fought when the robber pushed her to the side to take the cash himself. Instead of letting the robber do what he wanted, she fought which ended up in her being killed. Sakeena: No one cares what the "law" encourages or doesn't. If they did, no one would speed, or litter, or do anything the "law" doesn't encourage :) "Lucky" is such a silly word to use. If you ask this lady which of the favors of her Lord would she deny, I'm sure she wouldn't deny any of them. Political correctness is nice, but only in moderation :) Your beginning post is nonsense. People DO care about the law and yes people speed but its not because they don't have any respect for the law they simply don't have respect for the lives of others. People litter not because they don't respect the law they just have no concern for the environment. The thing here is God gave every human a brain, and, I don't think some 4'9 90lb woman used it. I call it "luck" because of the high probability of being killed in such a situation in which was not her consequence for fighting back. |
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ak_m_f
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Thats when you die, the first priority should be "not to be killed". you are right, I think she should keep loaded 12 gauge instead of an Axe. Edited by ak_m_f |
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