IslamiCity.org Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > General > General Discussion
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Muslim Communities in the USA?  What is Islam What is Islam  Donate Donate
  FAQ FAQ  Quran Search Quran Search  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Muslim Communities in the USA?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
Whisper View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member

Male
Joined: 25 July 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4752
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2006 at 4:12pm

You like to paint me as an ignorant, uninformed American....that simply is not so....

No, you are mistaken on that count. I just treat your �hate� thesis as misplaced. The fact is the people act in reaction to US bullying and against the occupations of their lands.

Hate doesn�t come anywhere in all of this.

I just don't happen to kneel at your feet as many do, and I have different opinions from yours. 

My friend, no one kneels at anyone�s feet. I say things without mincing my words even about the great US of A � without any fear and in frank and honest manner and some people, on this board, agree with the truth they find in my words. We kneel before no one but the One and the Only.

I read constantly...ALL sides of the issues.  I am definitely not a racist of any sort....I was nearly married to a Muslim in LA back in the 70s....so please cut that bull out.  We didn't marry only because I felt he was too young for me at that time.

Did I ever mention racism in any of my posts?

You can only focus on the pain and suffering of the people of the Middle East.  And of course the Jews are suffering too.  We all are, albeit some at this time are not physically suffering, but rather emotionally.

I wish I were as limited in my bonding as you portray me.

I am as equally close to the Jews and the Christians as I am to the Muslims. (I will hold my reasons out of modesty)

 

But, if they are really suffering even half as much as they are making the rest of the world suffer then why don�t they stop history�s biggest land grab and make peace with their neighbours?

 

If they wanted peace then these European Jews should not have forced people (who had been settled on their lands, for the past thousand years) out?

My main problem with your posts is your constant insults to anyone who dares not agree with you. 

I love to be gentle, but to be very honest, I prefer being honest.

You will agree that it�s a bit of a task to keep cool when someone�s country is occupied and Americans are killing people, indiscriminately, left, right and centre and a nice lady preaches us to start loving her country?

I realize this is a Muslim site, so if we "infidels" are not welcome here with our (opposite) opinions, just say the word, and we'll be gone.  I don't recall ever insulting you, but you are not so "gentle" with your language.  Yet, if I were to use the very same insulting phrases towards you, there is no doubt I would be either warned or banned.  Not exactly fair, is it? 

I have always been straight and honest with you, but never insulting.

What phrases do you find offensive?

 

If you are referring to what I say about your country, allow me to say, your country has earned my �praise� with a few decades of hard work. I am unable to lower my tone about the great US of A as long as the US of A does not stop insulting the rest of the human race.

I was wondering the other day about something....not that it really makes any difference....but are you a member of Islam?  I don't remember ever seeing you write about Allah.  If you have, I guess I missed it.  I am only curious, it's really none of my business.

You guessed it right. I follow Deen e Ibraheemi. I hold all the Prophets in my heart, mind and soul. I love humans without any considerations of their colour, castes, creeds and core beliefs. My relationship with Allah is between Him and I. I have never used it for any advantage, even for making a simple point, leave aside for any political capital, though enough is always on offer.

Back to Top
mariyah View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 29 March 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1283
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mariyah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2006 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by USA1 USA1 wrote:

How can all these foreigners comment on what life is like here in the states? For the most part, it's bull. You have no idea how most Americans feel. Generalized statements about Americans and what we believe serves no purpose.

 

I live in the states, I put Turkey on the info for country because I am grossly ashamed of being in this country. Hasn't it occured to you that many do the same for the same reason? Many of these posters have extremely good command of the language for non natives. And you can tell their country of origin by their usage of the English language and spelling. Canadians and Brits will for the most part spell  honour, colour and offence correctly, Americans spell  it as honor, color, offense, etc. Yes the usage of the language differs, I had to change from using the Queens english to the american version when I moved here.

"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
Back to Top
Patty View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar
Joined: 14 September 2001
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2382
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2006 at 9:33am

Whisper, I have worked for 3 different federal government agencies.  I know people from as many countries as you.  They do not have the same opinion as you...actually many are quite the opposite.

It is terrible that ANY infant or innocent person dies as the result of war.  I am not a warmongerer, and as I have repeatedly stated I don't hate anyone.  You like to paint me as an ignorant, uninformed American....that simply is not so....but have at it.  I just don't happen to kneel at your feet as many do, and I have different opinions from yours.  I read constantly...ALL sides of the issues.  I am definitely not a racist of any sort....I was nearly married to a Muslim in LA back in the 70s....so please cut that bull out.  We didn't marry only because I felt he was too young for me at that time.

You can only focus on the pain and suffering of the people of the Middle East.  And of course the Jews are suffering too.  We all are, albeit some at this time are not physically suffering, but rather emotionally.

My main problem with your posts is your constant insults to anyone who dares not agree with you.  I realize this is a Muslim site, so if we "infidels" are not welcome here with our (opposite) opinions, just say the word, and we'll be gone.  I don't recall ever insulting you, but you are not so "gentle" with your language.  Yet, if I were to use the very same insulting phrases towards you, there is no doubt I would be either warned or banned.  Not exactly fair, is it? 

I was wondering the other day about something....not that it really makes any difference....but are you a member of Islam?  I don't remember ever seeing you write about Allah.  If you have, I guess I missed it.  I am only curious, it's really none of my business.

 

Patty

I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future.
Back to Top
Whisper View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member

Male
Joined: 25 July 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4752
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2006 at 5:40am

Nope...he's not sleep talking.  He's stating a fact.  Most people on this site really do not associate with, or really know, the average American. 

Patty, I wish you would post without any mention of �hate� and other stuff and we could begin to at least parley if not try and bridge this gap between the American and the Human species.

 

You are right, most of us see Americans only in body armours, wandering around in conquered lands, with dark shades. Abu Gharaib and Gitmo has done so much damage to the average American�s image that it's hard for most Americans to understand. The American image has become almost as stereotyped as is the average Arab�s image in the US.

What is on this site amazes me at times.  I have yet to hear any Muslim stand up and say it is wrong to hijack international commercial airliners, with the full intent of blowing them up over large metropolitan cities, thus allowing massive amounts of body parts, jet fuel, fire, and plane pieces rain down on thousands of more totally innocent people.... people from all cultures, races, religions, genders, and political views. 

I was in Istanbul on 11th Sept 2001.

I remember, I met a famous L A documentary producer (the crew was having a break after attending some festival in Eastern Europe). Her comments: "I am more surprised at what took it so long coming"?

 

It's extremely sad, but it was coming, perpetuated by American policies and brutal acts. The day more Americans begin to understand that, you will see more and more Muslims sympathy with your concerns.

 

The day Americans begin to feel the pain of "the children of a lesser God" (not my mine, but the Lebanese Prime Minister's word) our world would set for Peace.

Terrorists are one thing.... equal opportunity killers.  Hatefilled killers who do not want to converse, ever have peace in the middle east, or make any effort to strive for parity.  They are consumed with hate.  The US was not in Iraq when 911 occurred....what was their excuse then?

Prior to Iraq, the Americans were occupying Saudi Arabia, under some pretext of an invitation (forced on the House of Saud). Plus, they have been actively supporting Muslim killings in a number of places, primarily, in Palestine � ironically, with your $3,200,000,000 tax dollars a year!

 

Peace in the Middle East?

We can never have it. For some reason or strategy, US doesn't want peace in that region - go through the United Nations records and find all resolutions for any honourable Mid East settlement VETOED by who?

Have a heart and look at that instead of unfairly accusing people of hate.

Sorry, I cannot understand the mindset of those who are so filled with hatred for so many people that they would stoop to deliberately and with malice and full desire, set out to slaughter several thousands of completely and totally innocent people. 

I sincerely hope that one day you would sit with someone with some idea of global affairs or read some serious book. You will come to know that this has nothing to do with the mindset as spun by the US media but actually with the US policy.

To say it's because the US is presently occupying Iraq / Afghanistan is ridiculous.  I wish we could leave yesterday!!  I hope we do leave immediately....but I have no say in the matter. 

Really? What�s so hard for you to understand about the simple fact that occupations do cause consequences?

Have you told your Rep or Congress person that you want to leave yesterday?

 

But, I can guarantee you that even if America withdraws her troops from every corner of the world, our terrorists will still be going full speed ahead in their efforts to murder, in as horribly a manner as possible, anyone who is not exactly as hatefilled and evil as they. 

 

Sorry, Patty, at once a wrong number.

Why don�t people go out and bomb Sweden or, Switzerland, for that matter?

 

Is it human what your country is doing to Lebanon?

Giving Israeli butchers absolute Green Light to massacre Lebanese to their hearts desire, kill babies in cots and rain destruction all across their land?

 

What do you really expect all of this to cause? Some warm Christmas party or a sunny B B Q? My friend, innocence is fine, but extreme innocence is known something else.

Back to Top
Patty View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar
Joined: 14 September 2001
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2382
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2006 at 5:33pm

Nope...he's not sleep talking.  He's stating a fact.  Most people on this site really do not associate with, or really know, the average American. 

What is on this site amazes me at times.  I have yet to hear any Muslim stand up and say it is wrong to hijack international commercial airliners, with the full intent of blowing them up over large metropolitan cities, thus allowing massive amounts of body parts, jet fuel, fire, and plane pieces rain down on thousands of more totally innocent people....people from all cultures, races, religions, genders, and political views.  Terrorists are one thing....equal opportunity killers.  Hatefilled killers who do not want to converse, ever have peace in the middle east, or make any effort to strive for parity.  They are consumed with hate.  The US was not in Iraq when 911 occurred....what was their excuse then?

Sorry, I cannot understand the mindset of those who are so filled with hatred for so many people that they would stoop to deliberately and with malice and full desire, set out to slaughter several thousands of completely and totally innocent people. 

To say it's because the US is presently occupying Iraq/Afghanistan is ridiculous.  I wish we could leave yesterday!!  I hope we do leave immediately....but I have no say in the matter.  But, I can guarantee you that even if America withdraws her troops from every corner of the world, our terrorists will still be going full speed ahead in their efforts to murder, in as horribly a manner as possible, anyone who is not exactly as hatefilled and evil as they. 

 

Patty

I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future.
Back to Top
Whisper View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member

Male
Joined: 25 July 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4752
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2006 at 11:27am
My friend, are we sleep talking?
Back to Top
USA1 View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 18 February 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 99
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote USA1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2006 at 10:49am

How can all these foreigners comment on what life is like here in the states? For the most part, it's bull. You have no idea how most Americans feel. Generalized statements about Americans and what we believe serves no purpose.

 

They just don't get it!
Back to Top
mariyah View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 29 March 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1283
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mariyah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 August 2006 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

by the way, do you still visit istanbul?  i really love that place and miss it a lot.
Brader'em keh Istanbul ruah v jaan e hazaar h'sti est.

Would find any excuse to be in Sultan Ahmet or Kazi Koy.

"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd.