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BMZ
Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1852 |
Posted: 26 June 2006 at 10:49pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Jesus revealed the True God to people and preached the truth. Instead of revealing what Jesus revealed, the Gospel writers presented, revealing him as: 1. God, the Son 2. Son of God 3. God 4. Presented him in such a manner that priests, wisemen, scholars and others kept on debating and arguing who Jesus really was for 365 years. 5. Even Paul, whom I dislike, did not make a God out of him. Paul just called him a son of God like he, himself was. Mostly, the Jews, after Moses was long gone, were called sons of God or son of man by others. We do not find any "son of God" or "sons of God" or "son of man" or "Son of Man" in the teachings of Moses. We also know the True Jesus from this 5-Star statement of his: Mark 29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: Hear, O Israel. The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." Mark 34"When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the Kingdom of God." And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions. (Mind everyone that Jesus was talking about a teacher of law) What happened later? How did the foundation change? Just because of statement from two people who never understood what Jesus said and kept asking him silly questions. Peter said,"You are the son of God" and Thomas said,"my Lord, My God!" The above in Mark 29 confirms the Crux of teachings and what we read later is only opinions of various writers, who expressed their own views, conclusions about him and his teachings, which is quite obvious. The men, who sat and learnt from Jesus, asked him silly questions and in some cases we find Jesus scolding them for not understanding him. Like when he said, "I will be going away from where no one can come." (Something like that) and they said, "We don't know where your are going"? Were they so dumb? The best clue, about others inserting their own ideas, thoughts, questions and opinions, can be seen from this, which comes immediately after the The topic of The Greatest Commandment in Mark 28 and this can be seen from Mark 35 in "Whose Son Is the Christ?" Why would Jesus ask,"Why would the teachers of law say that the Christ is the son of David?" The teachers of law were definitely not talking about Jesus at all. They were talking most likely about their own Messiah, not Jesus. That is how the writers blended their own thoughts and fitted them into his teachings. One has to read the NT very carefully to find the True teachings of Jesus.
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Aquinian
Guest Group Joined: 09 June 2006 Status: Offline Points: 61 |
Posted: 27 June 2006 at 1:46pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
The difference with Christianity is that the faith does not condone, in any possible way, the killing of innocent human beings. It does not condone recriprocal treatment. Anytime that Christians have killed the innocent or acted reciprocally to their brothers, they have been in clear violation of the words of Christ. These are moments when they deviated from their beliefs. On the contrary, when Muslims become more indoctrinated in their faith, you find that they become avid fundementalists who favor more and more extreme violence against those who oppose them. The Koran outlines the killing of those who oppose Islam. The murder of innocent people is supported by the theology of the Quran, and yet you tell me that Christians bear poor fruit. There is not doubt that Christians have been wrong. It is due in no part to their faith's teachings. You cannot say the same about Islam. So, what if the rational and simple teachings of Islam are correct and you are truly winning the argument? Defending a theology that supports the murder of innocent people is certainly something to be proud of. |
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Angela
Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2555 |
Posted: 27 June 2006 at 2:23pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
As A Christian Aquinan, I have to say this is completely false. No where in the Quran does it advocate killing innocent civilians. There are many verses and Hadiths that are very clear that you cannot kill civilians. I won't sit back and let that little one slide...we may have our differences in belief of Jesus Christ, but both religions have had their zealots use obscure scripture to condone the killing of the infidel (which was first used by Christians). Go back and look through the Inquisition, the Black Plaque, the Crusades....read the writings of the times and you will see arguements that say their actions are sanctioned by God. Islam is very clear about it. |
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Mishmish
Senior Member Joined: 01 November 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1694 |
Posted: 27 June 2006 at 2:33pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
"Defending a theology that supports the murder of innocent people is certainly something to be proud of." There is nothing in Islam that condones, encourages, or supports in any way the murder of innocent people. The Quran states if someone attacks you, you may defend yourself. Period. There is no massive blood-letting as in the Old Testament where entire populaces were destroyed, even the buildings and livestock. This type of wholesale slaughter is forbidden in Islam. Period. Self edited....
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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Aquinian
Guest Group Joined: 09 June 2006 Status: Offline Points: 61 |
Posted: 27 June 2006 at 3:38pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Just noticing some of the "clarity" of the Quran: 2:29 He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things. So God created earth before heaven? That makes no sense. 2:61 And when ye said: O Moses! We are weary of one kind of food; so call upon thy Lord for us that He bring forth for us of that which the earth groweth - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its corn and its lentils and its onions. He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher for that which is lower ? Go down to settled country, thus ye shall get that which ye demand. And humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully. That was for their disobedience and transgression. What prophets were there before Moses? Whoops, Muhammad. 2:194 The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil). Attack those who attack you. This is another message of peace from the Quran. 4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them, 4:91 Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant. In both cases, the Quran encourages the potential murder of innocent people. Anyone who claims that Islam is peaceful toward the non-believer is a ***EDITED***. Edited by Mishmish |
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ak_m_f
Senior Member Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3272 |
Posted: 27 June 2006 at 4:13pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Yea, I am sittin with my Ak47 + suicide vest. just waiting to kill some non mulsims, want to post your address to i can do my "holy" duty? I laugh at your Ignorance. Please buy a decent book on Islam and read it. If you search "Christanity killing corrupt" in google, i am prttey sure we can get some "clarity" about your book too ps read these Rules before you start posting again. Anti-islamic post & Propaganda will not be Tolerated on this forum,Mr.Aquinian Edited by Mishmish |
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Aquinian
Guest Group Joined: 09 June 2006 Status: Offline Points: 61 |
Posted: 27 June 2006 at 4:29pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Either the fundementalists of the Middle East are defending their lands, in which case, Muslims would support their actions; or the fundementalists are committing murder. Are the Osama bin Ladens defending the holy lands from an invasion? If so, their actions are supported by the Quran, are they not? |
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ak_m_f
Senior Member Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3272 |
Posted: 27 June 2006 at 4:36pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
No their acions are not suported by Quran, they are misguided people & they are terrorist under the banner of religion. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians� life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram � or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not �martyrs.�
Please read This 2) This 3) And This Edited by ak_m_f |
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