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Peace maker, you don't even understand your book..."all the truth" will reveal in the last days. THE SEALING OF THE BOOK AND THE OPENING OF THE SEAL BOOK In the book of Daniel the God of the Isreal seal the understanding of all the messages in the scriptures on till the end time then he will reveal all the truth. This is what the God Almighty says: And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. (Daniel 12:9) But thou, O Daniel, s*****p the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Daniel 12:4) Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. (Daniel 12:10) Coming of that �seal book� that mentioned in Revelation 10 is the �key� to unlock all the scriptures at the end time: �But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall �begin to sound:� the �mystery of God should finish� as he declared to his servants the prophets.� (Rev. 10:7) In the days when this little book shall reveal �all the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed).� The book was never written according to John: �seal up those things�and write them not.� All the truth with the coming of the Qur�an: �� And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to All�h as Muslims)�. (Qur�an 16:89) Allah the almighty reminds the people who call themselves Christian of their forgetfulness: �From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Quran 5:14) This is what they have forgotten: �And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: �O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of All�h unto you confirming the Taur�t [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.� But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: �This is plain magic.�� (Qur�an 61:6-9) Then He Allah (S) said: �O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhammad (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Quran 5:15) �So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhammad (S) and the message he brought]. (Quran 3:50) Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most right. (Quran 17:9) Br. ZainoolEdited by truthnowcome - 12 January 2017 at 3:16pm |
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Don't try that! The son of man mentioned there is not Jesus (s) because he was talking about how the kingdom of God will come and that is by sowing of a seed, which is a message. I have established before that the kingdom of God and the man child that mentioned in Revelation 12 when he would have come then the Kingdom of God would come [And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10)], and he would come from another nation, Jesus (S) informed us (Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44) and he also knew of him, thus, he addresses him as the son of man. It�s in John 3:13 (KJV). �And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is �IN� heaven.� (John 3:13 KJV) Jesus (S) was the Son of man �ON� earth and he spoke about �another� Son of man which is �IN� heaven.
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Hi Br Zainoo.
As we can see the �seed is the word of God�; so that would mean the coming Kingdom of God is another message to come which would brought by a man who will sow it in the field and the �field� is the people in the world. In Matthew 13: 24-39 Jesus (S) tells us the Devil will also sow a seed parallel with the kingdom of God to rival it, both will be at the same time; and he said the �field� is the people in world and the �good seed� are the children of the kingdom, those who received the word of God and bare good fruit. 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (Matthew 13:38) Matthew 13:37-40 (37) He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. (38) The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. (39) The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. (40) Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. Jesus teaches this principle in Matthew 16:24-26: Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?" The words of John the Baptist: "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" John 1:29 LETS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THE SON OF MAN IS JESUS RIGHT HE SOWS THE GOOD SEEDS
CAN YOU YOU TELL ME WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO SOWS THE BAD SEEDS.
LIKE JOHN THE BAPTIST SAID BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.
SO THE END PRODUCT IS WE DON'T NEED NO SUBSTITUTE FOR JESUS HIS THE SAVIOUR THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR HIM HE IS BEGINNING HE IS THE END AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT.
THE DEVIL SOWS THE SEEDS OF CONFUSION. |
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Hi Br Zainoo.
Welcome back.
�Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: with it came down the Spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-amin). to thy heart.� (Q. 26:192-194) 190. Verily in that is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. 191. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. 192. Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds: 193. With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth- 194. To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish. 195. In the perspicuous Arabic tongue. 196. Without doubt it is [announced] in the mystic Books of former peoples. 197. Is it not a Sign to them that the Learned of the Children of Israel knew it [as true]? 198. Had We revealed it to any of the non-Arabs, The most mercifull Lord only revealed it to the Arabs
Did Muhammad stipulate this, that this was in comparison with the gospels since muslims do not believe in the gospel at all. The first translation of the Quran was 961-976 AD to Persian langauge so was the seed only meant for Arabs only.
The other translation was in Latin Lex Mahumet psuedoprophete in 1110 and 1160
So why 1110 years the so called seed of Allah was irrelevant till the Quran was translated.
Before Muhammads's advent for 600 years plus years the word of God was irrelevant,Before Muhammad and the Quran then the coruption of Gospel was also irellevant.
So everybody who wasn't a Arab muslim was lost.
Long before Muhammad's time there was Jews and Christians why didn't he Muhammad accepted thier believes no He wants his own religion.
Let me say to you again the that no one will go to God but except through His Son Jesus.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way, the and the live. No one come the Father except through me.
Jesus distinguish Himself as the only way to heaven and to God so any other so called way to heaven by any some kind of religious institutions or highly recomended prophets is irrelavant it means nothing,nothing AND a TRILLION TIMES NOTHING ITS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY AND EVERYTHING.
SO ANY OTHER ARGUMENTS WILL BE USELESS.
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Now you make yourself a fool! If you had read my entire message in context you would have not reply foolishly. The answer is in this thread: THE KINGDOM OF GOD JUL 29-2015 http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34212 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. CAN YOU SEE THE WORD OF GOD WHEN IT IS REVEALING? THE ANSWER IS NO! ONLY WHO WERE REVERTED (BORN OF WATER AND SPRITE) ACCEPT THE TRUTH AND BAPTIZE AT THE TIME OF JESUS (s).Notice, Jesus (S) was informing us in a parable that the �Kingdom of God� is like �a grain of mustard seed� which is to be �sow in the field�. What does the mustard seed represent? To know that let�s see how Jesus (S) used it in Luke 8: 4-11. It mentioned: 4 And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable: 5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. 6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. 8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. 9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? 10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. 14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. 15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. 16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light. (Luke 8:4-16) As we can see the �seed is the word of God�; so that would mean the coming Kingdom of God is another message to come which would brought by a man who will sow it in the field and the �field� is the people in the world. In Matthew 13: 24-39 Jesus (S) tells us the Devil will also sow a seed parallel with the kingdom of God to rival it, both will be at the same time; and he said the �field� is the people in world and the �good seed� are the children of the kingdom, those who received the word of God and bare good fruit. 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (Matthew 13:38) Remember Jesus (s) said how the kingdom of God would come how the kingdom of God will come? It mentioned: �And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� (Luke 17:20) The word of God cannot be see when it is revealed, can you see it? He said: �Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.� (Luke 17:21) If the Kingdom of God is within you that would mean, when you hear the message you believe and accepted it with your whole heart. Coming of the Kingdom of God [the seed (message)] to Muhammad (S): Allah (S) said: �Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: with it came down the Spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-amin). to thy heart.� (Q. 26:192-194) NOT EVERY WILL UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERIES OF THE PARABLE And he said, unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. (Luke 8:10) THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE IN TREASURE IN THE FIELD. 44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, 45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. �Treasure� is Knowledge of the �everlasting Good News� and �field� is the �world�. The universal message would be like treasure hid in the world people would not recognize it but who recognize it they would spend the wealth to acquire and learned it. Br. zainool Edited by truthnowcome - 11 July 2016 at 1:48am |
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I do not have to refute you cause you keep qouting from the Bible so you refute yourself you don't KNOW what you are reading.
Zainoo how do intrepreted this or do you mean the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN was it Muhammad so you came to this wild decision and make up a lie that he came down from heaven
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13). 1There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. 2After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. �Rabbi,� he said, �we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.�3Jesus replied, �I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, Or born from above; also in 3:7. you cannot see the Kingdom of God.�4�What do you mean?� exclaimed Nicodemus. �How can an old man go back into his mother�s womb and be born again?�5Jesus replied, �I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Or and spirit. The Greek word for Spirit can also be translated wind; see 3:8. 6Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.# Greek what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7So don�t be surprised when I say, �You The Greek word for you is plural; also in 3:12. must be born again.� 8The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can�t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can�t explain how people are born of the Spirit.�9�How are these things possible?� Nicodemus asked.10Jesus replied, �You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don�t understand these things? 11I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won�t believe our testimony. 12But if you don�t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man Some manuscripts add who lives in heaven. �Son of Man� is a title Jesus used for himself. has come down from heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life. Or everyone who believes will have eternal life in him.16�For this is how God loved the world: He gave Or For God loved the world so much that he gave. his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.(HAVE READ VERSE 16 ZAINOOOO) Edited by Peace maker - 23 October 2015 at 9:17am |
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At the time of Jesus (S) his disciples thought that the kingdom of God would come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11: And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11) In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation: �And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� (Luke 17:20) Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32: �Another
parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds:
but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a
tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)
Comparison: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a
tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. The �grain of mustard seed� is a �message, the word of God to come� [Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God�. (Luke 8:11)], and the �man� is the one who will deliver that message. What is more important is this �man child� would come from another nation because Jesus (S) informed us that the Kingdom of God which is the word of God would be taken away from the Israelites and given to another nation he informed us when he said: �Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44) Jesus (S) spoke of this man child in John 3:13 It is mentioned: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13). Jesus (S) was the Son of man and was �on the earth�; he then spoke of another Son of man which is �IN HEAVEN� Jesus said: ��BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNEW THEM.� (Matt. 7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES
Mecca project 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSyv8klhbI Jesus said: ��BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNEW THEM.� (Matt. 7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES Br. zainool
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16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I
lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a
sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.(Zainoo do you know
where Zion is?) I myself without a panel of experts can
see there is nothing here that even gave a slightest relation to a
prophecy of Muhammad so I don't know how can you make this
assumptions that it was a prophecy. �We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know not.� (Qur. 34:28). And this this: � Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you the kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.� That nation is the Ishmaelite the seed of Abraham! Did Muhammed (S) preach the Quran to the Jews? Learn the history of Islam how the verses of the Quran was reveal and in it's context: Br. zainool Edited by truthnowcome - 20 October 2015 at 10:32pm |
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