Are supporters ofextremists true Muslims?

B you said:

>>>>That said, what about those so-called Muslims who defend such killers of innocent people - in the name of Allah, Islam, the Palestinian Cause, the Muslim world or fill in the blank - how do we best oppose them or bring the truth to them or convert them to repentence?<<<<

Now you mentioned something there, you mentioned the Palestinian cause. Now that is a sensitive issue that needs to be analyzed sensitively.

B: This is no doubt true.

Understand that the Palestinians there are being annexed from their land from Jews who after post WW2 had taken migrated to the Holy land post WW2. Now because Europe wouldn't take such a large population it was discussed that they would migrate to the Palestinian lands of course under the premise that that is their land decreed by God.

B: First of all, do you disagree that the Jewish people have some historic claim to Jerusalem and Bethlehem, et al?  Secondly, I think the Jews wanted to come here out of Europe after they were slaughtered there by the MILLIONS.  You understand that piece of the puzzle too, no doubt.  So then the questions are, should these suffering people be allowed to come to this land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean sea?  And, once they did, did they run roughshod or did the leadership in these nations run roughshod over the legitimate rights and needs of the Palestinian people?

I would answer the first question, yes, they should have been allowed to come and the second, yes, to some degree the rights of Palestinians were pushed aside...there needed to be a better solutions arived at and, no doubt, as it is clear, the Palestinians were made to feel, even if such a result were not intended, they were made to feel as second class citizens.  Now some Palestinians have reacted to this by claiming that Israel has no right to exist...such cannot be a legitimate position when you view the history of Israel and the Jews.  In fact, the problem was how the Jews came back.  So we get into these historic reviews about what happened to whom, when and what belongs to whom, when.  To some degree, it must be very clear to all observers now - the world messed up with HOW the Jews were to be allowed back into their historic homeland.

But do you debate whether they should have been allowed to come back to their historic homeland?  Are you saying they should have stayed put - in the killing field of Europe?

Now B you question where the hatred of the people come from. Now if you were annexed from your historic land what would you do? You cannot think how you would think now because you are not in the situation but if you think good you'd probably say the first thing you'd feel is anger. Now go farther you'll have resentment, and then farther you'll get hatred and then farther you'll get violent.

B: Here we're getting to the nub of an important question.  Is terrorism and murder justified against innocent people for any reason?  We must answer this question.  Now, it is my take on the situation in Israel/Palestine that, to some degree, many Palestinians do not consider any Jew innocent.  Isn't that true?  If one believed like that - that would open up the legitimacy - at least in your own mind and in the mind of your supporters - to kill and slaughter people, as much as possible even, even to kill their children because, 'none are innocent.'  But I don't subscribe to such extremist sentiment and I don't think you nor many Muslims do - but enough do ('never recognize Israel,' 'death to Israel,' whathave you) that it is very troubling and has driven many homicide bombers to kill as many Jewish civilians as possible - even children..

How can we have come to such a place when the children, even of monotheists, are no longer seen as human?  If even the kafir's children are human (of course) what about those people of the Book and their children?  How could we have come to this?

Now as I mentioned before the struggle of a people tend sto boil over with emotion first and then dialogue second.

B: Those reasonable people among us must question this order of things...we must approach results with the long term in mind and with hour children and peace and their peace in our hearts..otherwise we're condemned to this heinous current pattern of things...do we really want that?

You ask how one converts from that type of behavior to compassion. In some situations you cannot because hatred can consume a human's rational being.

B: Oh!  This is soo hopeless.  People will live up to the standards and examples set for them..They will follow good and evil examples...Look at what Ghandi did for the Indians and what King did for African Americans..living up to the example set, means setting good examples must precede.  This is where the hugely difficult work must be done.  Who will set this example and are they willing to be killed by cowards to change the world?  Sometimes that is what it takes..

The only thing left is to remedy the illness through examples in other cases. However when you see Muslims support the Palestinians (in this case the extremist) its not those who take the innocent lives,

B: But by default - IT IS.

Muslims support the Palestinians constant struggle to gain a statehood and an identity.

B: Yes, that is also true...but one cannot justify the murder of innocents for the sake of a greater cause...there is no greater cause than to protect the weak and the innocent.  THERE IS NO GREATER CAUSE.

B: I completely agree...

How do you feel when i say this... when the palestinians got to know what the jews went through in WW2 could they not be a little bit understanding instead of trying to expel them(the new comers of old) from their land which was conquered by Brittain and given to them and rather welcome them and try to work with them to achieve a healthy society in which they both would live in peace?

They would have lived together in peace very happily BUT the Brits needed to create a dispute in the land as usual for their Divide n Rule plan. They should live together and very soon they will - when the Anglo-American hold on the Mid East loosens.