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Abu Loren
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Reepicheep Reepicheep Reepicheep how underhanded you are! Like all the Christians here you like to twist everything around. Go back and read I mean READ what Nausheen has written. Christians lack that too, I'm afraid. No wonder ALL Christians are snakes in the grass. Dispicable hypocrites.
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NABA
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I just want to quote verses from Qur'an that in surah an Nisa ch 4 v 48 and in verse 116,Allah says that Allah if wants will forgive any sin except shirk(associating partners with God).for eg when any Muslim says merry Christmas he is committing shirk.
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Caringheart
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TG, "This verse in the Quran refers to Christians who lived before Muhammad"Who says? It does not say this in the qur'an. I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion... from where do you get this conception? It does not say in the quran, what you are saying... it does not say, 'Oh you Christians who came before I sent you Muhammad'. It says that the qualifying factor for belief is "Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right" God's Word... in His scriptures, is meant to be for all time. It doesn't distinguish people of one time from another. I'm not sure I am quite clear on what it is that you are saying. Caringheart note; the quranic scriptures differ whoever believes in allah and his messenger... (we might ask, which messenger was actually meant if this was spoken by Muhammad) and the last day. and surah 5 was one of the final few to be revealed. Some things to think about. Edited by Caringheart - 17 January 2013 at 10:56am |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Nausheen, "Associating partners is a sin"We must be careful to discern what this means... associating partners with God. Did Muhammad have a divine birth? and yet you can not speak the name of allah without speaking also the name of Muhammad. So be careful in your discerning. "the belief that there is a god besides God"Regarding this, This is what is so hard to make others understand "the belief that there is a god besides God" We do not believe there is a god besides God. We do not believe Jesus is a god. Jesus is One with God... a part of Him... the part that God Himself chose to send to this earth, to His creation, in human form, in the hopes of reaching them. God decides to 'do a new thing' in the hopes of reaching the hearts of His creation. It seems a concept that is just too difficult for some to grasp, but not for those who believe in Jesus and in what Jesus said and revealed of the Father through Himself. Salaam, Caringheart |
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Caringheart
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I'm sorry, and I know this sounds contentious, but in all truth(and truly spoken in love), this is known in the financial world as 'hedging your bets'... attempting to cover yourself from both ends. Wishing peace and blessings. |
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Caringheart
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I have only just found this, shared by Nausheen... thank you Nausheen... which of course just adds further confusion to the issue, but at least now I understand the confusion. so it says; ""Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right" but it also says that those who believe in Jesus as the Son of God do not believe in allah... there may be real truth in that... allah is not our God may be the truth. Edited by Caringheart - 17 January 2013 at 11:35am |
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TG12345
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Salaam Alaikum Nausheen, I was going to take a few days off and am cutting down a bit on the time I spend on here, but decided to answer some posts. I should clarify what I meant by posting the the verse. For a Christian, believing in Christ means more than believing He was a prophet. It means accepting He was the Son of God and God in the flesh, and accepting what He did for us on the cross, as well as His teachings. I would imagine it would be similar in Islam... Islam means submission to God if I am not mistaken and I would argue that as a Christian I submit (or do my best to, although at times I sin) to God but you would as a Muslim argue that in order to submit to God I need to believe Muhammad was His prophet, that Jesus is not the Son of God, and a variety of other things Islam teaches. Believing in Jesus means something else to a Christian than to a Muslim. Submitting to God means something else to a Muslim than to a Christian. Hope that clarified a bit what I meant. Take care. |
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Nausheen
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Reepicheep, Thank you for telling me what I believe. Most people, with the exception of only one or two come here and tell us what we believe. And mind you, I did not go to any christian site to ask what I believe, you guys have come here ... now if you can convince me about what you say, you win. As for now you have even lost my audience unless I like your tone in future. peace. Edited by Nausheen - 17 January 2013 at 11:23pm |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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