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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Browne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2010 at 10:08am
Can you ask her? And share this with me. I tried Google Translate

gods =الآلهة
God =
الله
Allah=
الله

So it must be
some different word.

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Well she speaks fluent Arabic so I assume so, but I fear before I respond to you someone may have answered.
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Gibbs, you got a point here. Does your wife know the Arabic word for gods (plural) for example when talking about the pagans who lived in Mecca at the time of the Prophet?

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Originally posted by Matt Browne Matt Browne wrote:

Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

Jesus also said "Ye are gods and children (or Sons) of the most High!"
 
I find it comical that a discussion on whether God's name is capitalized or whether we should call God by an Arabic, English, Deutsch, or Spanish name. God, if he is "closer to us than our jugular vein" knows our intentions, knows when we address him (or it) so again, why does it matter? God has many names in many languages and the variances between those languages are known.


It matters to some people who ask whether there is no god, one god or more than one god. To me questions like these are perfectly legitimate. Humans depend on languages to understand questions and answers, but meaning in language is a highly complex issue. Most words have multiple meanings. And how do we describe meaning? We rely on language again. There's also the concept of connotation.

 
I actually disagree. I'm no linguist nor am I acting as if I am one, but there are known variations within languages that are obvious distinctions. In english it is commonly known when refering to God or one deity, we say God. When referring to multiple deities we say gods. These same distinctions are known in Hindi language, Arabic, Aramaic and Hebrew. The author of this thread kinda made somewhat of an argument saying that in English God can be plural (which I believe he or she is saying that it leads to polytheism).
 
Now my wife informed me actually 5 minutes ago that Allah is gender-neutral so I don't know if anyone can validate that....So although I disagree with 99% of what you said Ron (LOL) I agree that language is complex because the subject of gender within language is also complex. However what perplexes me when it comes to gender-neutral issues within language God in the Qur'an is referred to as "He" or "Him" same as in the Torah and parts in the Bible.
 
Truly, if God is unlike anything in the universe he surely has a known gender. I tend to think consequently, God is genderized due to the dominant influential gender that being male I don't know if what I think in this context is right.


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Question to those who speak Arabic:

What is the Arabic word for gods (plural) for example when talking about the pagans who lived in Mecca at the time of the Prophet?
 
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Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

Jesus also said "Ye are gods and children (or Sons) of the most High!"
 
I find it comical that a discussion on whether God's name is capitalized or whether we should call God by an Arabic, English, Deutsch, or Spanish name. God, if he is "closer to us than our jugular vein" knows our intentions, knows when we address him (or it) so again, why does it matter? God has many names in many languages and the variances between those languages are known.


It matters to some people who ask whether there is no god, one god or more than one god. To me questions like these are perfectly legitimate. Humans depend on languages to understand questions and answers, but meaning in language is a highly complex issue. Most words have multiple meanings. And how do we describe meaning? We rely on language again. There's also the concept of connotation.

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Salam,
 
Mohammad's father was a pagan (polytheist).
Salam/Peace,

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Jesus also said "Ye are gods and children (or Sons) of the most High!"
 
I find it comical that a discussion on whether God's name is capitalized or whether we should call God by an Arabic, English Deutch, or Spanish name. God, if he is "closer to us than our jugular vein" knows our intentions, knows when we address him (or it) so again, why does it matter? God has many names in many languages and the variances between those languages are known.


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