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Matt Browne
Senior Member Male Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 937 |
Posted: 06 November 2010 at 7:35am | ||
What this teacher did is totally unacceptable. But modern Muslims capable of critical thinking need to understand the worries in Europe. Islamism (political Islam) poses a real threat to modern European societies. We need 21st century thinking to deal with 21st century challenges. We don't want people who seem stuck in 7th century thinking have any political power in Europe. Sharia law has no place in Europe. We want to preserve our democratic values and the Age of Enlightenment. And we hope that more moderate Muslim speak up and help us keep both militant and non-militant Islamists in check. Many see veils and headscarves as a political symbol of rising Islamism.
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schmikbob
Senior Member Male Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 526 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 2:03am | ||
Of course walking behind someone is not subservience. Subservience is being required to walk behind someone by law.
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Chrysalis
Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 3:36am | ||
That "but" says it all...
What exactly is 21st century thinking? Thinking is a relative term. And what is 7th century thinking? What this lady did by attacking a woman wearing a niqab (that to her represented 'islamism' whatever that is) ; will that be considered 21st century thinking or 7th century thinking ?
Says you. Shariah law has a place anywhere in the world as long as there are muslims in that community who want to practice it. It should not be a concern for Non-Muslims since it does not infringe on their rights or interests in anyway. And that applies to any sort of religious law. Whether it be Christian or Judaic law. If a community wants to practice a certain code that does not infringe the rights of others... they have a right to, and should. |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Kindly
Newbie Joined: 30 September 2010 Status: Offline Points: 28 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 1:34pm | ||
@ Crysalis
I so agree. |
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schmikbob
Senior Member Male Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 526 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 8:36pm | ||
Chrysalis, you have written, "If a community wants to practice a certain code that does not infringe the rights of others... they have a right to, and should." It sounds to me as though you think Islamic Law should supercede a nations laws. Is this correct?? For example, do you feel that the followers of Islam in the United States should be able to take more than one wife??? After all, they are only affecting other members of Islam. Or, as another example, do you feel that apostates should be dealt with according to Islamic Law???
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Sign*Reader
Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 10:22pm | ||
Edited by Sign*Reader - 08 November 2010 at 12:12am |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Sign*Reader
Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 11:44pm | ||
Here is a very interesting article on the similar stuff..Do read to the end the bigotry and hypocrisy that has infected the so called enlightened minds does become manifested..LOL
A Tide of TurbansObama in IndiaOn
November 6, before the election dust settles in the United States,
President Obama will arrive in Mumbai, India. He will go to the Taj
Mahal Hotel, the site of the November 2008 terrorist attack. The Obama
team will commandeer the hotel. Bill Clinton�s favorite restaurant in
India is the Bukhara, in Delhi�s Maurya Hotel, where there is an
overstuffed platter that retails in his name (over $100). The Taj has a
restaurant more to Obama�s taste, the Masala Kraft, Indian food cooked
in a minimalist way, with low oil. No flamboyant tastes. It is his
style. Vijay Prashad is the George
and Martha Kellner Chair of South Asian History and Director of
International Studies at Trinity College, Hartford, CT His most recent
book, The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World, won the Muzaffar Ahmad Book Prize for 2009. The Swedish and French editions are just out. He can be reached at: [email protected] Edited by Sign*Reader - 07 November 2010 at 11:50pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Chrysalis
Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033 |
Posted: 08 November 2010 at 6:10am | ||
Is there something wrong with the statement I made? Is this not in line with Western ideals itself? As for your question, to which nation are you referring to? A Muslim nation or a non-muslim one?
Do I feel that it is USA's duty to make such a law, or should Muslims expect them to - no. If Muslims are a minority in a community ruled by non-Muslims, they should abide by their laws, norms and respect them. If the laws/norms are a direct threat to them being able to practice their religion - they should immigrate. However do I feel that it would be nice if US govt allows Muslims to do so - yes ofcourse.. why not. Again, this is because US ideals itself dictate that citizens should be allowed to live whatever way they want. After all, if you cannot legally prevent adultery or mistresses in USA, why should you single out people who marry more than one? If the govt wants to closely monitor the process and have their checks & balances - sure go ahead, that would be even better.
In the USA? no. Because we cannot expect a non-muslim government to practically carry out Islamic responsibilities. I am for the US government allowing Muslims to live the way they want as long as it doesnt effect others . However I am not suggesting that USA has to apply each and every aspect of Islamic law. It is just not possible when you are a non-muslim state. Nor can we expect the USA to take up the responsibilities of an Islamic Government. Edited by Chrysalis - 08 November 2010 at 6:13am |
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