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b95000
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Islam herself is at war with those instituting an Islamic religious duty to murder in the name of the Faith. The two recent Western Muslim fatwas make certain that such will not and cannot be tolerated. So, Jibreel, if you're going to make shadowy references to 'it's about IRAN now' you should also make shadowy references to all those Muslim clerics in the West and how they're being puppet mastered by Bush and Blair...can't deny these facts, can you? Edited by b95000 |
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Bruce
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"recent moves to rename the "war on terror" to "war on extremism" which is virtually saying War on Islam. Blair's definition of who falls into this actually covers all Muslims as they all are unanimous on what Islam says on the issues he raised." B: Huh? "War on Extremism" covers all Muslims? How so? |
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Bruce
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nico
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If the war was against Islam...why wouldn't the US,Russia,China,India,Israel,UK,France just nuke the entire Ummah? I mean we would surely win this "war against Islam" in 30 minutes, and those Muslims inside our countries well the could very well be exterminated as well but we aren't doing that are we? Secondly if the world was against Islam and trying to destroy it, why wouldn't just nuke Mecca? I mean in Islam Mecca will never be destroyed, if it is then Islam is a illegitimate religion and the "war" will be over. Its beyond pathetic to believe that there is a war against Islam, there is a war over resources which the Islamic just happens to have. Look if there was a war on Islam, then no Islamic state would be safe, but no one is threatening Singapore, Morroco, Malaysia, etc. This war that the US (not the West) is fighting is also about their own mission to spread their vision of the world, its a vision that doesn't get rid of Islam but tries to push it into the private sphere and spreading democracy (american styled) on the world. Is that wrong? Yes as democracy cannot be forced on people. Likewise those who are attacking the US and the West are trying to impose Shari'a on the world as they believe that only that can save mankind from evil, etc. Is that bad, equally so. We are fighting a war of extremists and we are caught in the middle, if there is a war against Islam, there is also a war against the West. But I don't believe either. Also Jibreel, it is haram in Islam to my knowledge to belittle or question the people of the books faith. Stop being unIslamic and respect the beliefs of the people of the book. Edited by nico |
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jibreel
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What political Mambo Jumbo Blair knows that his career depends on making people financially happy in his country, as much as anyone else who has money and supports him no matter how he gets it., Lets not forget the U.K. backed Zionism from the start but made a peaceful deal with Israelis to not exceed the land which they broke., so are they also responsible for all these problems there big Brother the u.S. is carrying out now? So the U.K. government knows more about the problem then most americans who admit they have no contact with Bush but from whatever the media tells them, And which in the past, the media openly demonstrated to americans what types of propaganda take place during wars, and the lessons to not ever believe what you see or hear on T.V., and they even pointed the finger at Nixon as a example of the types of corruption and as well as the Reagan Administration and when tax payers money was embezzling with K.North and while Supplying Sadam WMOD to attack Iran, and in which today the same people are aback in office. Dick Chaeny is your next president, wether you will like it or not is the new messages to AMERICA's PEOPLE. Edited by jibreel |
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jibreel
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Ah, but i never said all Christians believe these pagan superstitions which where invented after Jesus (PBUH) told them not to fallow., i said only those who believe in Paul's Gospel do., and someone else stated that Paul is a phony not me., maybe you have to deal with him, i support believers. Or is your post seeking arouse another totalitarian nation to help you invent a reason to BLAME others again for the things your agenda of coming here. In the other hand, the real "death" cult AKA crusades is a sect which lies that Jesus (PBUH) is ALLAH and dies, and they keep his bloody image on the cross to tesify that they would never of believed in him until his death t and only to convince them that he was mortal to contradict there mystery., And they are out to murder other people who they have a faith built on a blood line they claim Jesus (PBUH) was from and use a bias and racial intolerant excuse, like the way they murdered ARAB jews, Christians and Muslims in spain. Real christians pray to God like Jesus (PBUH) told them too Edited by jibreel |
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abujamal
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recent moves to rename the "war on terror" to "war on extremism" which is virtually saying War on Islam. Blair's definition of who falls into this actually covers all Muslims as they all are unanimous on what Islam says on the issues he raised.
What we are confronting here is an evil ideology. ... it is a global struggle and it is a battle of ideas, hearts and minds, both within Islam and outside it.
Neither is it true that they have no demands. They do. It is just that no sane person would negotiate on them. They demand the elimination of Israel; the withdrawal of all westerners from Muslim countries, irrespective of the wishes of people and Government; the establishment of effectively Taleban states and Sharia law in the Arab world en route to one Caliphate of all Muslim nations. The 20th century showed how powerful political ideologies could be. This is a religious ideology, a strain within the world-wide religion of Islam....Those who kill in its name believe genuinely that in doing it, they do God�s work; they go to paradise. The creation of Israel is a crime and it has to be erased.... Just as great is their hatred for so-called apostate Governments in Muslim countries... At last year�s Party Conference I talked about this ideology in these terms: Its roots are not superficial but deep, in the madrassehs of Pakistan, in the extreme forms of Wahabi doctrine in Saudi Arabia, in the former training camps of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan; in the cauldron of Chechnya; in parts of the politics of most countries of the Middle East and many in Asia; in the extremist minority that now in every European city preach hatred of the West and our way of life. This is what we are up against. It cannot be beaten except by confronting it, symptoms and causes, head-on. Without compromise and without delusion. We must be clear about how we win this struggle. We should take what security measures we can. But let us not kid ourselves. In the end, it is by the power of argument, debate, true religious faith and true legitimate politics that we will defeat this threat. That means not just arguing against their terrorism but their politics and their perversion of religious faith. It means exposing as the rubbish it is, the propaganda about America and its allies wanting to punish Muslims or eradicate Islam. Prime Minister Blair's Speech Published: July 16, 2005 |
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b95000
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What in the world is your agenda Jibreel - to demean a major world
Faith? The sacrifices of the Prophet Jesus (PBUH) should not rile
you up so much...
What next Jibreel, will you roll out your Nazi barbs? I've only ever said that there is a death cult that is plaguing (the edges of) Islam. It is at the least incumbent upon Islam to address the problem. This would independent of anything else happening. That particular, has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the veracity of Islam. Fortunately people like the Sunnis Scholars in Britain and Muslim Scholars in the US issuing a fatwa against terrorism are answering the call. What are you going to call them, Jibreel? |
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Bruce
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jibreel
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You keep rejecting Abraham (PBUH) over and over again, the rest of the religions after Jesus (PBUH) became sects when they also rejected Abraham (PBUH), yet ABRAHAM (PBUH) is the founder of all 3 faiths for the one same and true God. Why did some deny that ISlam is not from ALLAH, the same ALLAH of Abraham (PBUH), because they believe its the religion of the Arabs or Africans, So if thats what you think then did ALLAH create everything or did you find another God, every sect broken from Islam is a death cult., "Moses"(PBUH) said it and "Jesus" (PBUH) said it. So prove that islam is a death cult, when Catholicism has nothing to do with the Gospels of Jesus (PBUH)... Whos Gospel?
Qur'an
alone. The idea that God, his son or 3 metaphoric ideas died in order to take the blame for you because you sinned is pure hypocrisy., and to miss that KKK and how they continued to do it using Jesus (PBUH) too as a escape route. Does this look like a living cult to you, death mass and symbals of death? everyone supersticious grabbed on to a cross for good luck and protection, I am sure you went to see that "snuff" movie "PASSION OF CHRIST" TO, bet it only showed your favorite parts of the Gospel. look at this one, he droped the nail to let a dove eat of his bloody hands before DEATH approaches. |
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