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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 1:20am |
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Topic: Want to know about Halal Chicken.....tastes good....
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Chrysalis
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Wa'alaikum salaam Akhe Abdullah . . . .
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Akhe Abdullah
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As Salamu Alaikum, Chrysalis.Shokran
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If one is starving to death, and has no other alternative - then alhamdulilah Allah provides flexibility. In such dire cases, muslims can even wat pork, or non-halal meat - as long as they consume enough to sustain them.
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Akhe Abdullah
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Salams, Brothers and Sisters.JazakAllah Kheiran for all the info,I have a question,Do the same rules apply as we can eat it instead of starving to death?I would think that it would but im not sure.
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Chrysalis
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Stunning before slaughter
I was under the impression that animals died after stunning - however I looked it up, and apparently the stunning is only to render the animal unconcious. If the stunning kills the animal before slaughter, the meat is rendered unfit for marketing.
Methods of Slaughter
Two Kinds of Stunning The captive bolt may penetrate the skull and destroy brain tissue, or cause a considerable rise in intracranial pressure. These result in instantaneous loss of consciousness (as a knock-out does in boxing), followed by collapse of the animal. If the brain tissue is not destroyed, the animal may come round, if the carotid arteries and jugular veins are not cut soon ("sticking"). Instant unconsciousness occurs if the aim is accurate, the animal is still, and the device works. Electrical stunning involves passing a large voltage across the animal's brain. Slaughtermen, butchers, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the People's Dispensary for Sick Animals, Compassion in World Farming and most people who eat meat, assume that the electric current causes instantaneous unconsciousness, so that the animals feel no pain. Unfortunately, there is evidence that this assumption may not be warranted. ...scientific reason...
Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many. Experimental Details: 1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain. 2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks. 3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method. 4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method. 5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning. I - Halal Method 1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision. 2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body. 3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all. 4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer. II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning 1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning. 2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning. 3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer. (Many thanks to Muslim Students Organization - University of Miami) KOSHER SLAUGHTER:
Question: Why aren't animals stunned first before they are ritually slaughtered? by Rabbi Barry Dov Lerner
Answer: The laws of kosher slaughter (shechita) are designed to be the most humane possible, preventing pain to living creatures (tza'ar ba'alei hayim), by a swift and immediate death. |
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One thing I noticed in the ahadith is, that they talk mostly about meat which is already assumed to be slaughtered, but there is uncertainty about Allah's name being invoked on it.
Before Allah's name is invoked, another condition is that the meat needs to be slaughtered. . . like Signreader said - the meat in Western countries, even by 'people of the book' is not slaughtered. (with the exception of kosher for the orthodox jews) The animal is killed before it is cut up. That would put it in the forbidden (dead meat, blood) category (verses signreader mentioned) . . . even if you invoke Allah's name on dead-meat, does not make it halal.
The only scenario where the above ahadith & fatwas apply is in case the animal is 'slightly stunned' yet alive, and is slaughtered before dying. (Abuaiysha's post # 4 & 5). Vast majority of all slaughter houses in the West do not slaughter an animal before death . . . and this is kind of public knowledge, so in most circumstances a muslim cannot even claim 'i am not sure, so I guess i can get away with it' . . .
Perhaps you can find Kosher meat? Kosher is more widely available than halal.
Allah knows best ofcourse. . . .
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This hadith is talking about some new reverts who brought meat as gift! This was one time thing and that was OKd by Prophet to respect the goodwill of new Muslims...and also not shake the delicate condition of their faith...which is not same you going to the super market that sells animals killed by violence on the industrial line ...Don't you see an obvious distinction! Remember the prohibition on booze was not effected till the faith was firmly established amongst the companions and when the order of its prohibition came the gutters of Madina's over flowed with booze...that is called true faith not looking for the loopholes... Edited by Sign*Reader - 21 June 2009 at 1:20am |
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