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    Posted: 23 June 2009 at 1:20am
Topic: Want to know about Halal Chicken.....tastes good....

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Wa'alaikum salaam Akhe Abdullah . . . .
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As Salamu Alaikum, Chrysalis.Shokran
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If one is starving to death, and has no other alternative - then alhamdulilah Allah provides flexibility. In such dire cases, muslims can even wat pork, or non-halal meat - as long as they consume enough to sustain them.
 
 
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Salams, Brothers and Sisters.JazakAllah Kheiran for all the info,I have a question,Do the same rules apply as we can eat it instead of starving to death?I would think that it would but im not sure.
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                           Stunning before slaughter
 
I was under the impression that animals died after stunning - however I looked it up, and apparently the stunning is only to render the animal unconcious. If the stunning kills the animal before slaughter, the meat is rendered unfit for marketing.
 
 
Methods of Slaughter
Farm animals are stunned by electricity or percussion, and killed by cutting the blood vessels in the neck, causing exsanguination. The halal and shechita method, used by Moslems and Jews, involves cutting the neck without stunning the animals.

Two Kinds of Stunning

Most animals in Britain are stunned. Bailhere's Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary (1988) defines it as "producing unconsciousness of head in carbon dioxide, gas, electrical shock ... all of them aiming to allow the animal to bleed out while it is still alive. An animal that is dead before it has bled out will be unsuitable for marketing." The latter definition regards stunning as rendering an animal unconscious, and the exsanguination as the cause of death. However, the Oxford English Dictionary (1989) says that the aim of stunning is "to deprive of consciousness or power of motion [my italics] by a blow, a fall or the like." The author of this entry gives paralysis as an alternative to loss of consciousness.

The captive bolt may penetrate the skull and destroy brain tissue, or cause a considerable rise in intracranial pressure. These result in instantaneous loss of consciousness (as a knock-out does in boxing), followed by collapse of the animal. If the brain tissue is not destroyed, the animal may come round, if the carotid arteries and jugular veins are not cut soon ("sticking"). Instant unconsciousness occurs if the aim is accurate, the animal is still, and the device works. Electrical stunning involves passing a large voltage across the animal's brain. Slaughtermen, butchers, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the People's Dispensary for Sick Animals, Compassion in World Farming and most people who eat meat, assume that the electric current causes instantaneous unconsciousness, so that the animals feel no pain. Unfortunately, there is evidence that this assumption may not be warranted.

Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better
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http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/an/an_slaughter.htm
    Al Shaddad Bin Aous has quoted this tradition of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

    Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.
     

    Experimental Details:

    1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.

    2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

    3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.

    4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.

    5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.
     

     
    Results and Discussion:

    I - Halal Method

    1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

    2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

    3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

    4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

    II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

    1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

    2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

    3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

    (Many thanks to Muslim Students Organization - University of Miami)

    KOSHER SLAUGHTER:
     
    Question: Why aren't animals stunned first before they are ritually slaughtered? by Rabbi Barry Dov Lerner

    Answer: The laws of kosher slaughter (shechita) are designed to be the most humane possible, preventing pain to living creatures (tza'ar ba'alei hayim), by a swift and immediate death.

    If a kosher slaughterer (shochet) uses a properly honed and sized knife for the animal in question (generally twice as long as the diameter of the neck of the animal) and the knife severs with one motion the trachea, esophagus, and blood vessels of the neck, then suffering should be minimized. Properly executed and with the most modern equipment devised to protect against violations of the fundamental laws of kosher slaughter, shechita will result in the animal dying within literally seconds and then bleeding out maximally.

    What we don't want to do, obviously, is to frighten, mishandle, or cause the animal to struggle, for that would lead to emotional pain (tza'ar) and it might also lead to defective slaughter (which would then be pointless if the animal were not to be kosher meat). While shechita isn't foolproof, it has been observed that the animals suffer as minimally as possible when slaughter is done by trained and experienced shochtim. Minimal suffering is the goal no less than a pronouncement that the meat is kosher for not having violated the physical steps of shechita.

    According to Rabbi Isaac Klein z"l of the Conservative Movement, there has been discussion about stunning, by electricity or anesthesia, for a number of years. Some have seen no objection to it, but the overwhelming majority have ruled against it.

    In my own limited experience, the use of a stun gun or a bullet frequently doesn't actually stun or kill the animal; it actually can add to the animal's pain and thrashing. Thus, stunning techniques aren't guaranteed to reduce animal suffering.

    In my opinion, the best way to further reduce suffering is newly designed equipment that facilitates an upright shechita. It literally cradles the animal, prevents the head from falling, and thus makes it unnecessary to invert the animal. I understand that many Orthodox authorities have not yet approved this new implementation, and it is going to be expensive for the slaughter houses to do so. But I believe that if the resulting meat is as kosher physically and it is obtained in a more humane fashion, then we should buy kosher meat from slaughter houses that use this new equipment.

    I should add that recent films, study of the issue and a study of health rules for the human being are urging me to consider a far more vegetarian way of life. I already overwhelmingly eat fowl rather than beef. Rabbi Klein notes that perhaps all of these regulations for kashrut were intended to promote a vegetarian lifestyle. He suggests that perhaps God permitted us to eat meat as a concession to our humanity, but that vegetarianism is really God's first choice.

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One thing I noticed in the ahadith is, that they talk mostly about meat which is already assumed to be slaughtered, but there is uncertainty about Allah's name being invoked on it.
 
Before Allah's name is invoked, another condition is that the meat needs to be slaughtered. . . like Signreader said - the meat in Western countries, even by 'people of the book' is not slaughtered. (with the exception of kosher for the orthodox jews) The animal is killed before it is cut up. That would put it in the forbidden (dead meat, blood) category (verses signreader mentioned) . . . even if you invoke Allah's name on dead-meat, does not make it halal.
 
The only scenario where the above ahadith & fatwas apply is in case the animal is 'slightly stunned' yet alive, and is slaughtered before dying. (Abuaiysha's post # 4 & 5). Vast majority of all slaughter houses in the West do not slaughter an animal before death . . . and this is kind of public knowledge, so in most circumstances a muslim cannot even claim 'i am not sure, so I guess i can get away with it' . . .
 
Perhaps you can find Kosher meat? Kosher is more widely available than halal.
 
Allah knows best ofcourse. . . .
 
 
 


Edited by Chrysalis - 21 June 2009 at 2:09am
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Originally posted by tahmid11 tahmid11 wrote:

Originally posted by Sign*Reader Sign*Reader wrote:

These days you aren't even sure which of the processed foods sold in super markets is halal or haram the porcine additives are so darn common that it is not even funny..

  • So in that case the below rule applies??
     
    It was proven in Saheeh al-Bukhaari from �Aa�ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that some people came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: �Some people bring us meat and we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not.� He said: �Say the name of Allaah yourselves then eat.� I said: They (the people who brought the meat) were new in Islam and they were not sure whether they said the name of Allaah (when slaughtering the meat) or not. So he said: Say the name of Allaah yourself and eat. So it is permissible to eat even if we do not know whether the name of Allaah has been pronounced over the meat or not. Similarly it is permissible to eat even if we do not know whether it was slaughtered in the proper manner or not, because if the action was done by the appropriate people, the basic principle is that it is valid unless there is evidence to the contrary.

    This hadith is talking about some new reverts who brought meat as gift! This  was one time thing and that was OKd by Prophet to respect the goodwill of new Muslims...and also not shake the delicate condition of their faith...which is not same you going to the super market that sells animals killed by violence on the industrial line ...Don't you see an obvious distinction!

    Remember the prohibition on booze was not effected till the faith was firmly established amongst the companions and when the order of its prohibition came the gutters of Madina's over flowed with booze...that is called true faith not looking for the loopholes...





    Edited by Sign*Reader - 21 June 2009 at 1:20am
    Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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