Reason why there are no homosexuals inIsl

Akhe Abdullah wrote: As Salamu Alaikum,Brother Gulliver.Thanks for the pm.May Allah mend your heart.May Allah increase your faith in Him.I see that you care alot about people who are considered different,I read what you said about the underdog.So you see where we Muslims are coming from.Maybe we should show more compassion for others that are different.May Allah Bless us all and give us Jannah.I looked alot into Homosexualality and what some of them would say is they were born in the wrong bodies,If it is that way and not a choice,then that is a birth defect.May Allah grant them Mercy.

Edited by Nazarene - 30 March 2009 at 8:22pm

Compassion for all Akhe, yes.

To be compassionate means to know, share in the suffering of another to a large degree with the objective of relieving that suffering, helping that person see their way out of it. We often have to visit them where they are, know their suffering in a real way to become truly compassionate. It seems to me. We all need compassion, or we're all lost.

Sometimes it can seem we are overwhelmed with the suffering we witness in this world, and ranting and raving is all there seems to be to keep us remotely sane ;-)  lol  Works for me usually.

When I look at any person. I wonder what it means to love that soul, in such a way it will dignify them as Allah's creation - who they are and what they are meant, called to be - wonderful human beings. That is how we free others from the bondage of 'sin' - being lost to God's love, I believe. When we learn, realise how much we are in need of this ourselves, we realise we are in as much, and maybe more need of it than are those others. That is humility. I think.

I have to say I am getting used to be referred to as 'brother' :-) It's something I like about Islam - each sees the other as the member of a human family. How it should be.


God bless you brother :-) Akhe and thank you :-)

Here's a question.  What is it with religion, and scapegoating ?

Might need to read a bit on that particular subject - but it's enlightening.

Try it :-)

Well I will only state that I do not in any way equate sexual orientation with the 'sin's you people speak of. It is not a 'sin'. And to suggest it is, is the worst insult to the dignity of a human person. Ask them. And if that is TRULY what your religious texts teach - then they are the things that deserve chucking into the deepest pits of hell. It all begins and ends with the interpretations of those texts, doesn't it. Maybe that's why the Native American broke away - became the 'lost' tribe of Israel.

Shasta, the very thought of barking up your tree would be enough to send me into a coma from which I would never recover. ;-)  lol !!!  ;-) Sorry.  Trust me, I am not looking moral outrage or anything else.  Just having a nice friendly little discussion here :-)  This is the way of the Irish. All hair n' nails and then sitting down for a good bevvy and hearty laugh.


Sal seems to be saying now, "Live and let live," which is not the impression I had before. Sorry if I misunderstood Sal.  It's difficult to know what you mean, especially when you speak of gays, nazis and holocausts in a similar context.  Shame on you. SLAP !

Religious indoctrination had the nazis too, as well as their hatred of the Jews, specifically identify homosexuals for murder - sent off in their own trains to the 'death camps'. 

To Shasta and Saladin.  You say that God judges. Fair enough, I accept this.

If Islam became the world religion. And shar'ia law, the law of the world, God forbid.  Would you approve of the stoning to death of adulterers ? The hanging of gay teenagers, as was done relatively recently in Saudi, public lashings, chopping hands off, beheadings etc ?

I know similar things are recommended in the bible - OT etc. I am not meaning this to sound anti Islam. I have defended what is good in this religion to a LOT of people and still do. Why perhaps this is an area I need to get clearer on. Especially when those who do suffer because of these things, ask me certain questions that may be core to their survival.


I wish to God in Heaven this were just some intellectual bullshitty confabulation. But it is soooooooo much more folks.

I know it gets a tad heated. But it's one of those hot potato things.

Sal, I wouldn't really drop a nuke on your head.  I'd just get a big crow to fly over and s''t on it. LOL ;-)


There is great good in religion. But there is also the potential for great evil.

Just thinking about the Jewish holocaust.  The part 'religion' played in all of that.

Can we have it both ways. The good of religion without the bad.

This entire conversation has left me doubting that possibility.

The only other one being - get rid of religion all together and I can well understand why many people want that now too.

Later

God bless






Edited by Gulliver - 30 March 2009 at 3:50am