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Ron Webb ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Male atheist Joined: 30 January 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Status: Offline Points: 2467 |
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Well, not quite. It's not that there is less light, or any significant change in the light from one photo to the next. The reason Hubble concluded that distant galaxies are moving away from us is due to the Doppler shift in the light's spectrum. Essentially the light is just a tiny bit redder than it ought to be. It's like when you hear an ambulance siren as it passes you -- the pitch is lower when the source is moving away from you (and higher as it is approaching you) compared to its pitch when it is stationary. If you want more detail, you can read a simple explanation here: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Hubble |
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nothing ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 November 2008 Location: Andorra Status: Offline Points: 416 |
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When you watch a car moving away from you at night you see the rear light slowly disappearing, until it fully disappeared, yes?. But when you are watching the heaven to see if if it is moving away or not naturally we don't stand in the back yard staring at the stars, no? The sight of heaven we see today is still the same look as when Adam and Eve were still running around naked. We can stand in the back yard till die and the view does not change. Taking photos at the sky is different. One photo tonight and another photo next week. With this method Edwin Hubble noticed that the second photo always had lesser light (dull, discomfited, worn out) than the previous one. The conclusion was that the heavenly bodies that look sit still since Adam era is actually moving away from us - the Universe is expanding, just like rear light of the moving away car. So if the astronomers yelled to us that the light is getting brighter, well time for us to dig a bunker. ![]() Alright, take a deep breath, relax, it is not the thing to stress you out, and live in peace. |
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Caringheart ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 March 2012 Status: Offline Points: 2991 |
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Greetings nothing, I am lost on what it is you are wanting to say here. What does this verse mean to you? Salaam, Caringheart |
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There are lots of Verses in the Qur'an, and there are variety of subjects in it. Edwin Hubble was the first person to experience first hand the lost of the returning light. He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw? (67:3) Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out. (67:4) |
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TG12345 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Male Joined: 16 December 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1146 |
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Regarding expanding and spreading, if you read tafsir Ibn Abbas, you will see that it is referring to the present tense. (We have built) created (the heaven with might, and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof)) as We will; it is also said that this means: we expand the provision thereof. http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=51&tAyahNo=47&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2 Regarding the plural term for God, I don't think the Quran teaches that He is a Trinity, like the Bible does. Of course we know that He is, and with the historical and scientific errors it contains, that is another piece of evidence that though the Quran has a lot of wisdom and good in it, it is not from God. Speaking of truths that could only come to a human from a supernatural source, consider Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over a void And hangs the earth on nothing There is no way a human being living thousands of years ago would have known this. Praise God! |
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Caringheart ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 March 2012 Status: Offline Points: 2991 |
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Interesting.
And the heaven We constructed it with strength, and indeed, We (are) surely (its) Expanders. And the earth, We have spread it; how excellent (are) the Spreaders! I take two things from this. 'We are surely its expanders'... is subject to many ways of interpretation. To me it simply means that God created the vastness of the universe. It says nothing about the continuing expansion of the universe which we now know of. I think it is too easy to 'read into' all scriptures. ![]() 'how excellent are the Spreaders' I find it very interesting that the Creator is referred to as 'the Spreaders'... plural. Again 'spread it' simply means to me... created it in its vast expanse. There is also a surah called 'the table spread'... what did spread mean in this context? Would it be any different than the earth spread? Doesn't it just mean, is laid out before you? Edited by Caringheart - 08 August 2013 at 3:37pm |
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TG12345 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Male Joined: 16 December 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1146 |
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Hi Caringheart, If you go to "Corpus Quran" and look up 5:47, you will see that the author of the Quran states he expanded and is expanding the heavens and the earth. http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=51&verse=47 If we take "heavens" to mean universe, and this in my opinion wouldn't be an unfair description, one could say that according to the Quran, it is expanding. There are some amazing scientific truths in the Quran that a human being would not be aware of, without supernatural help. There are also some obvious scientific and historical errors, which God would not make. You can draw your own conclusions from that. Peace in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Edited by TG12345 - 08 August 2013 at 3:02pm |
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Caringheart ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 March 2012 Status: Offline Points: 2991 |
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Greetings NABA, How in your mind do you explain these contradictions to yourself, that you believe come from God Himself, that are in the qur'an? You have your god saying two different things to you in this his perfect book. Personally, I don't interpret 'spread out' as meaning flat... just expansive(expansive, not expanding)... just large beyond measure, which it would have been in Muhammad's time. and of course satan could use a book to lead people astray, especially when people are taught to live by that book... that there is no guidance other than that book, and to not use their own minds to discern the truth of things. It only takes just enough of the Truth to lead people astray. Give them a little to make it just believable enough that they follow it to their own destruction. ![]() Salaam and good will to you, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 08 August 2013 at 3:43pm |
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