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Arab ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 December 2006 Location: Kuwait Status: Offline Points: 256 |
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And you said that Christianityy teaches humbleness. Please what humbleness are u talking about when you dance and sing in church and dont even take your shoes off? Didnt God tell Moses in the bible to take his shoes off? Yes he did. These arent humble hearts. look at the Muslims when he goes to prayer and look at the christian. We wash and wear the nicest outfits etc, you sprinkle some cologne on and go and dance. No humbleness in that. Some Muslims cry in there prayers, some Christians get jiggy with it.
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freebird ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 25 October 2005 Location: Pitcairn Status: Offline Points: 65 |
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Most posters have given good replies for this but I have something else to say. The style of this typing (coloured) will never convince anyone to change their views. By right I should not let anyone knows, but hey, for the sake of worthy readings and having a worthy opponents is better than a stupid assistant. |
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Dayem ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 August 2005 Status: Offline Points: 520 |
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"the mooslims! they're heeere!"
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skygazer ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 October 2005 Status: Offline Points: 65 |
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Why didn't you just read it yourself in the first place and find out for yourself? Too lazy? |
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AhmadJoyia ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 20 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1647 |
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Well brother, I am not qualified in this matter to suggest any comments here, but merely asking to understand as what is the basics of understanding Isalm through such critical examination.
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Deus ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 134 |
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So AhmadJoyia, by your personal understanding, the punishment for zina is 100 lashes? Regardless of marrital status? (i.e. for this particular law, you reject the hadith?) |
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firewall ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 06 November 2004 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 215 |
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bismillahi rahmani raheem,
ok. if that's what ur answering to Allah, who am i to say. i know begbie will not understand this, even if i say it's in the Torah he doesn't understand the link between Torah, Quran & Hadeeths. so what he thinks is limited by his understanding. i thank AhmadJoyia, for his efforts. but i'm sorry, if i use this rule, i'd have to question many islamic rituals also, which are also not specifically stated in the Quran but is in the Prophet's sunnah. i.e. the Quran tells to pray*. but somehow, menstruating women do not have to pray*. if i use the contradictory rule, this does "seem" contradictory. but when we think deeper, taking into account both Quran & sunnah, it is not at all the case. thus creatively, there must be another rule of thinking to understand Islamic laws, which will judge: we all must pray*, but for menstruating women, she's not enjoined to until her period ends. this is the set of thingking i believe, which doesn't deny both the Quran & sunnah. still to be safe, i refer this to Allah, maybe its a blessing -- & thank AhmadJoyia anyway. still, we all seek guidance from Allah. wallahu a'lam. * 5 daily, obligatory prayers. but women can still du'a etc. Edited by firewall |
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AhmadJoyia ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 20 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1647 |
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Thanks sis firewall for your reply. However, I couldn't understand your reply to answer my question especially once you say "clearly these Quran verses revealed that Allah supported Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), that the Prophet enacted Allah's Laws." As we know that Allah's law is in Quran and its enaction is through Sunnah and not the other way around. So in such a mismatch situation, do you think would it be justified to rely on such a hadith which may seem contradictory to Quran? How reliable the collection of hadith may be, but the basic rule of understanding of such human work must be understood within the context of Quran only. Secondly, the hadith are the "snap shots" of the events in Islamic history. They don't have all the associated supporting literature, other than from within the narrated hadith, that would show as when, where and in what conditons such a narration could have possibly been done. Hence, on this very limitation, all the scholars are very cautious about quoting ahadith without learning them through proper education from a reputed scholar. It is in this situation, that I would always refrain quoting from ahadith directly. In this very notion, do we know if the narration of event in this hadith is before or after the revelation of verses in Quran? Thanks anyway for your efforts. Edited by AhmadJoyia |
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