Are supporters ofextremists true Muslims?

Well the issue of extreemism is the people's dependence on methodologies set by religious leaders, this means the set belief systems and articles set by "scholars" which need to be accepted by one to become accepted as one of the "believers" into the particular religious group. So when it comes to religious sects and groups the leader's views need to be accepted by the individual to become part of the group, this you find in all "religions", and these religious leaders usually are out for power or wealth. It depends on what is allowed in a respective society by the government and what these sort of "leaders" wish to achieve, but honestly besides religious scholars preaching intollerance and violence towards others, i find it also very disgusting how "christian" religious scholars con people out of their money by selling them "feel good" lies and acting like the money is going to charity....but i guess if you want a "buzz" you need to pay for it....just very unfortunate that people who do care about the poor do not give it to churches alot of times because of the corruption of these sort of preachers....there are ways to get money given in charity to churches to the causes these preachers claim it will go to, i personally know a couple of ways how to root out this sort of corruption in churches... But yeah extreemism and intollerance need to be dealt with, corruption too.

Any more thoughts on this?

Can supporters of terror murder be true Muslims, even if they don't do the murdering themselves?

Indirectly providing legitimacy for terror murder by sympathizing that the murder terrorist came out of a 'context' of certain (perhaps disagreeable or unwanted) Israeli or US policies is akin to sympathizing with the terror murderer themselves and with why the terror murder takes place; this is to legitimize terror murder under certain circumstances - even if you claim that it is, under Islamic teaching, illegitimate, inexcusable and heinous.  If it is those things, then don't excuse it EVER for ANY reason, or try to explain why it arises other than to say it is DEVIANT.  Murder of other human beings is widely accepted in all faiths as deviant, sinful, wicked, illegal behaviour and there is no excusing it.


Edited by b95000

The passage is the Clot:

Allah said:   Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and
Cherisher, Who created-Created man, out of a (mere) clot of
congealed blood: Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,- He
Who taught (the use of) the pen,-Taught man that which he
knew not. Day, but man doth transgress all bounds, In that he
looketh upon himself as self-sufficient.Verily, to thy Lord is the
return (of all). -Al-Alaq 96: 1-8

All praises are due to Allah Lord of the Universe for this verse!

The truest answers come here when God states that in the
affairs of the world today is due to man's incline of self-
sufficiency. Mankind is only a minute organism i the world
today and its unfortunate that when using methods of violence
we appear in the eyes of others as great. when we respond to
anger it's "the peoples anger" and for those of the extreme point
of view it's "God's anger."

God is the ultimate judge and all affairs go back to him. When
we do not realize the importance of this rule we are not
cognizant of God, but only aware of ourselves. You are right B,
there are people in the world more poorer than the palestinians
and I can name Africa alone. Imagine the struggles of the
African people being displaced for centuries! and yet the
struggles of the palestinians are forefront in the Islamic world.
Even though this is evident my mind is on this Quranic principle
that the pen (or the ability to comprehend and write in
language) is indeed mightier than the sword (or in this case the
gun).

What we Muslims fail to understand that Muhammad's greatest
miracle greater than all of prophets greater than Moses, Jesus
and even Soloman was that he was able to introduce the
Qur'an and attract thousands of people to Islam. Muhammad on
his own accord was not the wisest nor the most powerful, but
he was the most intelligent because he knew that through the
Qur'an came the ultimate knowledge of God and through this
knowledge can mankind realize his own existence! I draw this
as a parallel because the only way mankind can realize his
annihilation is through the realization of tragedy through words.

When people sit down and realize that life being destroyed on
both sides is digressing (I hope I spelled that right) the situation
then hopefully people will then understand the significance of
speech before action. This as Brother Mockba would also
suggest to me is the simple basics of Islam that we many times
forget to inact.

Personally I don't wish to get involved in the discussion of
history because it makes all othert subjects (similar tyo this
one) irrelevant. My point: Peace will come through dialogue
and exemplary people. We can be both we must do the minute
things such as the way we eat, thin and live and how we treat
each other. The old golden rule Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you.

Regardless of religion its useless to use violence because
you're P.O because of what jews may think or do and vice
versa. The problem with extremist is because majority of them
are dirt poor with no jobs except through illegal means (and if it
isn't illegal it usually invovles someone doing something
illegal) and the use of force.

I'd take the example of the people of Iran who through the
power of their own blood got rid of the Shah. Many were
massacred but none used the same violent methods as some
of the groups in the Mid East. Again the remedy the situation
one must put down the weapon and use the pen because
symbolically it is the tool in which man was equipped with by
God.