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I don't think it is in the Qur'an, but I rather think in figurative sense that he will return. The believe of him as a person staying somewhere up there waiting for the right moment to move down is not pretty.
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The same reason which u point out may be happen & create same situation now. so we say that make a platform to return jesus second time in the world. I sharing with u & your valuable topic. thanks.
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Walaikum Assallam.
Ahaan, thanks for the knowledge. Sounds a little similar to the weird Shia beliefs I've heard about, except it crosses the non-sensual limit by an even ridiculous margin when he claims himself to be a messenger -_- Edited by xx__Ace__xx - 12 June 2010 at 4:23pm |
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As-salaam alaikum brother Ace RK stands for Rashad Khalifa. He claimed to be a messenger of God and believed that a mathematical code revolving around the number 19 existed in the Quran. He founded the United Submitters International, a group which claims to represent true Islam. They reject the Hadiths as fabrications and consider the Quran to be the source. Hence they are also known as "Quran-only" movement. RK was murdered in Arizona in 1990. |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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xx__Ace__xx
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Haris has to be high to think Jesus' second coming is false. It is clearly spoken of in the Quran.
As for the question of his second coming "making him the last prophet", I kinda find it mediocre. Bare in mind this is his second coming, IMO. He was one of the Prophets sent earlier, before Muhammad SAW, so how the heck does it make him the last one? His second coming won't be to bring a new Islamic law, but to follow Muhammad SAW's, as Islamispeace pointed out earlier. Woah woah woah, and reading Islamispeace's post, this guy RK sounds like a complete fraud. If anyone would tell me his full name or a bit about him? I gotta Google him up to see what all lies he's bluffed Edited by xx__Ace__xx - 12 June 2010 at 1:26am |
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islamispeace
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Any comments from Haris?
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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islamispeace
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Only if you believe the word "ayat" means "letters". You are using circular reasoning to prove that the verses in question are referring to those specific letters, when in reality they are referring to the Quran itself. The first use of the letters is in 2:1, and it is followed by the words "ذَٰلِكَ ٱلْكِتَٰبُ لَا رَيْبَ ۛ فِيهِ ۛ هُدًۭى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ" which is referring to the Book (kitabu) and not the letters themselves. In all the other verses, the word used is "ayat" which can mean verses, signs etc., but RK decided that it should be translated as "letters". Once again, he was basing his translation on the notion of the code. That was the sole reason he was translating the way he did, even if it was not the correct translation.
Yes, I am aware of this. But there is no evidence that "ayat" can also mean "letters". Instead, as far I can see, the word for "letters" is "risalah" (رسائل). Edited by islamispeace - 14 May 2010 at 2:53pm |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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islamispeace
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The Quran was revealed in Arabic and only the Arabic is free from error. Do you agree? Why then would the miracle not be in the original Arabic? There are many non-Arabs who know Arabic. Many scholars of Arabic are non-Arabs. They are not even Muslims and yet they acknowledge that the Quran is an entirely different form of Arabic poetry, one that does not fall into the 16 known classifications. It is a classification of its own, and for 1400 years, no one has imitated that. That sounds like a miracle to me and certainly more so than some code which only works when you remove some words or alter others.
Of course it changes the meaning! Using the English word "unseen" is very different from using the word "future". The former can mean many things and the latter is specific. In addition, even if the word should be translated as "future", in the context of the verse, it would the immediate future involving the questioning party and Muhammad (pbuh). If it was a reference to RK and his "miracle", why would Allah have said to the unbelievers to "wait"? Furthermore, even though I think I have already exposed RK enough, I just can't help exposing him further. I previously gave an example of how he was inconsistent in his translation. Well, he was also inconsistent in how he translated "ghaib". For instance, he translated 2:3, which uses "ghaib", as saying "...who believe in the unseen, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and from our provisions to them, they give to charity." Why does he translate it differently from verse to verse? Was it the code again?
What does that have to do with anything? Is that what guided RK in his translation? A preconceived notion about a mathematical code? This is the nail in the coffin! You have exposed RK (oh the irony!!). He purposefully changed the meaning to fit the code and misguided himself and others. |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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