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schmikbob
Senior Member Male Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 526 |
Posted: 08 November 2010 at 9:09pm | ||
abuayisha, I must be imagining things. I thought my question was for Chrysalis and involved apostates. Apparently I was wrong and it was a question for you and involved all the ills of the US involvement in Iraq. Way to avoid the question and completely change the subject. Maybe we can address all your concerns in the proper thread though.
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abuayisha
Senior Member Muslim Joined: 05 October 1999 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 5105 |
Posted: 08 November 2010 at 8:16pm | ||
Well, let's talk "niceties" shall we; what about enhanced coercive interrogation, stress positions, special renditions, precision bombing, collateral damage, smart bombs, and Operation Iraqi Freedom.
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schmikbob
Senior Member Male Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 526 |
Posted: 08 November 2010 at 5:36pm | ||
Chrysalis and NuraB, if you think there are no repercussions, legal or otherwise, to adultery or maintaining a mistress then you have not lived in the United States. Also, Chrysalis, you have made some very revealing statements. For example, in response to my question about the treatments of apostates, you said "we cannot expect a non-muslim government to practically carry out Islamic responsibilities". I would like to know what then are Islamic responsibilities with regard to apostates??? Please don't couch your answer with any niceties.
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NuraB
Groupie Female Joined: 27 September 2010 Status: Offline Points: 87 |
Posted: 08 November 2010 at 10:57am | ||
schmikbob
It is possible to observe Islamic law while respecting national law. For example Shari'a requires the deceased to be wrapped in burial cloth. State/municipal law requires the deceased to be buried in a coffin. The deceased can be wrapped in the cloth while buried in the coffin. Chrysalis brought up a valid point: Do you see the irony that here in the U.S. plural marriage is illegal, yet adultery is "okay" since there is no legal repercussion.? Where I live in order for an Imam to officiate a marriage in the masjid (mosque) the couple first needs to obtain a State marriage license. To issue a marriage license California requires each person be singe. Therefore the local mosque won't legitimize a plural marriage. I'm sure this is not an isolated incident. I'd imagine most mosques/Islamic centers have a similar policy regarding marriage as I'm sure most states have similar requirements as well. |
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Chrysalis
Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033 |
Posted: 08 November 2010 at 6:15am | ||
I also think that championing for polygyny is at the moment a very secondary issue and waaaay down the priority list. Muslims should start with more practica/pertinentl issues first - such as Halal labels, Mosques, Hijab etc.
Edited by Chrysalis - 08 November 2010 at 6:16am |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Chrysalis
Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033 |
Posted: 08 November 2010 at 6:10am | ||
Is there something wrong with the statement I made? Is this not in line with Western ideals itself? As for your question, to which nation are you referring to? A Muslim nation or a non-muslim one?
Do I feel that it is USA's duty to make such a law, or should Muslims expect them to - no. If Muslims are a minority in a community ruled by non-Muslims, they should abide by their laws, norms and respect them. If the laws/norms are a direct threat to them being able to practice their religion - they should immigrate. However do I feel that it would be nice if US govt allows Muslims to do so - yes ofcourse.. why not. Again, this is because US ideals itself dictate that citizens should be allowed to live whatever way they want. After all, if you cannot legally prevent adultery or mistresses in USA, why should you single out people who marry more than one? If the govt wants to closely monitor the process and have their checks & balances - sure go ahead, that would be even better.
In the USA? no. Because we cannot expect a non-muslim government to practically carry out Islamic responsibilities. I am for the US government allowing Muslims to live the way they want as long as it doesnt effect others . However I am not suggesting that USA has to apply each and every aspect of Islamic law. It is just not possible when you are a non-muslim state. Nor can we expect the USA to take up the responsibilities of an Islamic Government. Edited by Chrysalis - 08 November 2010 at 6:13am |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Sign*Reader
Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 11:44pm | ||
Here is a very interesting article on the similar stuff..Do read to the end the bigotry and hypocrisy that has infected the so called enlightened minds does become manifested..LOL
A Tide of TurbansObama in IndiaOn
November 6, before the election dust settles in the United States,
President Obama will arrive in Mumbai, India. He will go to the Taj
Mahal Hotel, the site of the November 2008 terrorist attack. The Obama
team will commandeer the hotel. Bill Clinton�s favorite restaurant in
India is the Bukhara, in Delhi�s Maurya Hotel, where there is an
overstuffed platter that retails in his name (over $100). The Taj has a
restaurant more to Obama�s taste, the Masala Kraft, Indian food cooked
in a minimalist way, with low oil. No flamboyant tastes. It is his
style. Vijay Prashad is the George
and Martha Kellner Chair of South Asian History and Director of
International Studies at Trinity College, Hartford, CT His most recent
book, The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World, won the Muzaffar Ahmad Book Prize for 2009. The Swedish and French editions are just out. He can be reached at: [email protected] Edited by Sign*Reader - 07 November 2010 at 11:50pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Sign*Reader
Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 10:22pm | ||
Edited by Sign*Reader - 08 November 2010 at 12:12am |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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