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schmikbob 
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 Posted: 09 November 2010 at 3:11pm |
Who says adultery is or should be the business of the government? As long as divorce law discourages adultery monetarily and with regards to custody of children that's good enough for the majority of people. Do you feel that it is appropriate for someone to be tossed in jail for adultery?
Are you are saying that in Iran or Saudi Arabia, for example, it would be fine for someone to be a practicing member of Islam, then decide it was a bunch of hogwash,and decide to practice Hinduism or Christianity instead and the state would have no position on this.
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Kindly
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 12:17pm |
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@Hayfa
Great post!
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Hayfa
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 11:59am |
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Chrysalis, If you have ever sat through or read through transcripts of
divorce proceedings as a result of infidelity you would absolutely know
that the party that committed adultery will lose and suffer financially
and with regards to visitation rights with children. I would say that
those are both definitive legal repercussions.
Yes buy how many people are throw in jail??? Come on now... its not like, even in some states if its illegal anyone is arrested. What you cite has nothing to do with the fact that the government chooses to say that only husband -wife is legal, though this is changing with gay marriage and I suspect plural marriages will come about if people choose to engage. But where it is against the law to commit adultery it s not enforced.
Apostasy: do you even know the conditions in an Islamic state- Islamic state it would be to punish anyone for this offense? Its basically you have to leave Islam and act upon the state.. its called acting in a treasonous manner. We have treason laws. Every STATE does.
Bob: there is different laws for Muslim living in a non-Muslim lands. There are books of Fiqh written on this issue.
If you wish to listen to lectures on it you could try this:
http://www.sandalaproductions.com/Products/127-sacred-law-in-secular-lands-volume-1.aspx
So apostasy is a non-issue as we, who live in a nonMuslim land, are not living in a Islamic state.
Edited by Hayfa - 09 November 2010 at 12:01pm
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schmikbob
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 8:54am |
Chrysalis, If you have ever sat through or read through transcripts of divorce proceedings as a result of infidelity you would absolutely know that the party that committed adultery will lose and suffer financially and with regards to visitation rights with children. I would say that those are both definitive legal repercussions. Also, in the US military, adultery is a court martial offense.
Next, I could care less if you don't like my "tone". "don't couch your answer with any niceties" means don't suger coat your answer so as not to offend my sensibilities. You are choosing to be offended by something that doesn't exist.
Lastly, Chrysalis, you have written "I don't know why some people get so sensitive when other members participate in a public thread. This is a public thread/forum. Anyone can quote/comment whatever they wish. I for one appreciate other members chipping in. Also is the purpose of your post to get an answer from Chrysalis - or simply get an answer to your question? If it is the latter, then it should not matter who responds" I also have no problem when other people comment. However when people like abuayisha and Sign Reader comment (as in this case) they have a tendency to get completely off topic and post non-relavent anti everyone screeds.
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Kindly
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 8:40am |
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I am amazed by how non-Muslims sign up to this forum, with seemingly one purpose, which is polluting the atmosphere.
It seems that many of the non-Muslims feel ill at ease when we Muslims are being civil and are able to have productive and peaceful conversation.
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abuayisha
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 7:11am |
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Well bob since you're trolling for "gotcha moments" I figured why not address more important euphemisms/niceties.
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Chrysalis
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Posted: 08 November 2010 at 11:48pm |
 schmikbob wrote:
abuayisha, I must be imagining things.��I thought my question was for Chrysalis and involved apostates.� Apparently I was wrong and it was a question for you |
I don't know why some people get so sensitive when other members participate in a public thread. This is a public thread/forum. Anyone can quote/comment whatever they wish. I for one appreciate other members chipping in.
Also is the purpose of your post to get an answer from Chrysalis - or simply get an answer to your question? If it is the latter, then it should not matter who responds.
Edited by Chrysalis - 08 November 2010 at 11:48pm
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Chrysalis
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Posted: 08 November 2010 at 11:38pm |
schmikbob wrote:
Chrysalis and NuraB, if you think there are no�repercussions, legal or�otherwise,�to adultery or maintaining a mistress then you have not lived�in the United States.� |
Then please share with us the legal repercussions of having a mistress or indulging in adultery. How does the government respond to such a scenario?
| Also, Chrysalis, you have made some very revealing statements.� For example,�in response to my question about the treatments of apostates, you said "we cannot expect a non-muslim government to practically carry out Islamic responsibilities".� I would like to�know what then�are Islamic responsibilities with regard to apostates???� Please don't couch your answer with any niceties. |
I don't like your tone Bob. What do you mean by "don't couch your answer with any niceties"? If you don't trust our responses, then why engage in discussions with us? Sorry if our answers don't suit your expectations, but thats how it is.
Edited by Chrysalis - 08 November 2010 at 11:39pm
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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