Not only for Whisper

I am most gratified to see that this thread is still running.  Astonished in fact.  Yes, it has gone well off the topic I originally posted, but that is natural evolution.  And certainly many more recent posts have been on topics I know very little, if anything at all about.

But mostly, I have noticed lately that there is a spirit of cooperation, of stopping to listen to and consider the post which came before, rather less than the knee-jerk reactions I have come to expect from many.  Perhaps the cooler atmosphere is due to the timely visit of Servetus, almost always my favourite voice of reason.

Either way, if I didn't know better, I would swear that women were responsible for these last posts!   Cassie

Let me get to Whisper first.

The Forces of intolerance, radicalism and extremism are everywhere and not merely within, but some one needs to take the moral high ground. I believe muslims stand to gain morally, materially and faithwise by taking the initiative and confronting and isolating the forces of ignorance listed above.

There is no denying that it is a problem.

But, its magnitude and the extent that you and the State Department are portraying is a bit of tired fiction.

Just take this The Forces of intolerance, radicalism and extremism phrase. Isn't it borrowed from some very familiar source?

Muslims on the whole do not have a unified voice or leadership and as such have been ineffective in communicating with the West on important issues of peace, security and tolerance.

True.

The West only gets to hear what the Neo-Cons would like them to hear.

Absolutely right.

This issue needs our urgent attention and this is where Inter-faith and intra faith dialogues are crucial in building bridges.

A noble suggestion, but a dialogue is something thats conducted, by tabling all the parties, it doesn't work if we shout all the blame on just the one group and, that too, in some Enlightened Moderation style. 

I have never stated that all the problems of this universe are our fault alone.

But, somehow your posts have cast that impression, more so, when you remain frozen about the root causes of this problem.

But the fact remains that certain events committed by fringe elements within like the suicide bombings, 9/11, train bombings of spain, the Bali bombings, London bombings, the various conflicts in places like southern thailand, somalia, chechnya, kashmir, afghanistan, iraq, Phillipines etc have all increased the focus on Muslims throughout the world.

The primary conflict of Palestine is missing in your list, but never mind. Where were these dark Forces of intolerance, radicalism and extremism before this present spate of invasions, before the New American Century project was launched?

Muslims now are on the defensive all over the world and being wrongly portrayed as a extremist religion bent on establishing their hegemony through violence.

Not all over the world, really, but just in the United States.

Our European and also British neighbours are, by now, simply tired of all such US pedled fables.

This falsehood needs to be countered and the misunderstandings cleared not for any body's benefit but for the benefit of the majority peace loving muslims like us because otherwise genuine movements like the one in Chechnya are being painted with the same brush of terrorism.

I couldn�t agree any less than 100% with your point.

There is a serious lack of communication and misunderstandings between the common man in the west and the ordinary muslim on the street. Earlier this gap had a chance of being bridged through the power of Dawah but thanks to the lunatic extremist fringe elements within ,,Dawah has taken a backseat presently due to increased mistrust and preformed notions about Islam in general and Muslims in particular.

This is your strongest point.

I understand and respect your points, but it would greatly help if we started by Building some Bridges, at the home front; between your posts and this Forum.

If I may make some suggestions just in good faith:

1.                    Try and reconsider your alarmist approach.

2.                    You will be more effective if you used a bit less of 

           the US media coined phrases.

3.                    Be kind, more people will listen to you if you talked with them instead of shouting some sermons at them.

To Whisper,One simple Question ,

Do you agree with people like Sign*Reader who by their attacks on Mohajirs etc

Brother, I am in full sympathy with your point and also respect your sensitivity about this matter.

But, if you read Sign*Reader's message, just with a bit of care, you will find that he hasn't attacked anyone. He has just used an expression, which has gained currency, through these years of MQM mafiosi reign and specially since 12th May 2007.

aim to divide the already hopelessly divided Ummah???

Be honest, does anyone need to aim at dividing such already shreded Ummah?

Your opinions show that you have gone astray on the road of ignorance.

you plz keep on walking on the road of dictators,assasinators,so called champions of peace,animals and money(dollar)makers and................???best of luck for rest of journey