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The Theory of evolution in writing outwardly denounces and ignors any intervention of a divine Being within it's framework.  Evolutionary teachers preach that and so do evolutionary science books. 

You are right to say that all those creations from millions of years ago have a reason and a purpose to exist.  Allah is vast in His knowledge. We are not denouncing any of God's plans.

"Say, 'If the sea were ink for (writing) the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement.' "  Quran 18:109

Also many aspects of evolution we do see occuring in nature: like adaptation.  Adaptaion is under the banner of evolution and it clearly exists. 

species have lived on earth for millions of years, in different biological environments.  i'm not refuting fossil record. neither am I questioning Allah's method of creating. 

  the twelveth name of Allah is The Evolver, Al Bari.    but i think this is in terms of adaptation.  not morphogenisis from fish to folks. 

You say "time is a human invention".  not according to the Quran.  Allah created time.  There is a chapter in the Quran titled, Time (ch 103) . 

The islamic callender is Islamic because that is how Allah defined the yearly callender to be.  we did not invent it.

 Time in our world is not like time in His world. that is the only difference.  6 days to us is different than 6 days to Allah.  we say they are 6 'periods'.  and a period is as long as Allah makes it to be. 

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angela Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2006 at 3:54pm

Originally posted by schwester schwester wrote:

but evolution denies god's existence, there comes the clear thing about its being falsehood.

my god, i remember those colorfull history books at school. and i guess these books are still read and taught to students .
wasn't the evolution's first founder a dude in church? afterward he becomes an atheist by inventing evolution, as scientists in those times were all against christianity, because it denied most of scientific facts.

Evolution doesn't necessarily deny God's existence. 

God created the earth in Six Days.....what is a day to him?  Time is a human invention.  We have fossil fuels today because of decaying organic material from millions of years ago.  Do we think this wasn't part of God's plan?  Everything has a place, a reason and a purpose.  God's plan is perfect.  So, what if there were other humanoids before us?  There is no direct link from them to us.  Perhaps they held a place here for other reasons.  To create wonder, to test.

Have you ever considered that the existence of Homo Erectus was simply a test of your faith?  I have.  Just because they existed does mean that Adam wasn't created from Dust.  Who did Cain and Seth marry?  Their own sisters?  Who were the people of Nod that Cain married into????  The Quran, Torah and Bible are silent on this matter. 

 

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now they are accepting intelligent design theroy.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lovetabuleh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2006 at 3:40pm

Evolution is not a science.  In order for something to be considered a successful science it requires three things according to Scientist Philip Kitcher: independent testability, unification and fecudity. 

 in evolution the theory states that it takes millions and billions of years for a process to occur. scientists cannot independently test it. scientists only live to be less than a century old. Independent testability is a process of vigorous testing of any proposed theory- but nope, somehow the theory of evolution passes the test in their eyes.  is that fair?

Unification has a couple meanings; that everytime a scientist tests it, they all come up with the same result and all science complies with that result. the use the same pattern of resoning again and again. Evolution doesn't have unification. there are holes in it. Darwin speaks of gradualism (translition btw species, morphogenisis) but according to fossil record shown in the evolutionary time chart, scientists see bursts of variation of fossils at one time or another.  an example is the famous Cambrian Explosion. all-of-a sudden they extract thousands of different species within a few layers of earth that span couple hundred years time. now Evolutionary biologists preach 'punctuated equilibrium'. (they changed Darwin's patern of reasoning) When it comes to graduallism they make erronious proposition of how one fossil just relates to another. no proof, just ideas to stay consistent with darwin's theory.

Fecundity means fruitfulness.  a successful science must bring bout more discoveries and knowledge.  Like Newton's Laws.  You could say that fecundity wants incompleteness in science (knowledge/research never ends or goes to completion).  Evolution has holes in it.  it's research never ends only bcz it's ever trying to cover up those weak points in evolution.  they say evolution holds 'future promises' and are just waiting for the answer to come allong in future experiments (a clearer ansser on how animals/plants evolved from one another). 

that's not fecundity, that's exasperation ... they're just building up a groundless issue.

 

k i've said enough.

 

Salaam, 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote schwester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 June 2006 at 12:13pm
but evolution denies god's existence, there comes the clear thing about its being falsehood.

my god, i remember those colorfull history books at school. and i guess these books are still read and taught to students .
wasn't the evolution's first founder a dude in church? afterward he becomes an atheist by inventing evolution, as scientists in those times were all against christianity, because it denied most of scientific facts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2006 at 7:45am
interesting piece of information.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Murabit Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2006 at 7:41am
Much can be said about evolution. But one thing is certain, Adam and Eve - they weren't apes and they did not evolve from apes. They were fully functioned human beings created by God and they were the first two human beings.
"I am a slave. I eat as a slave eats and I sit as a slave sits.", Beloved, sallallahu alyhi wa-sallam.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ak_m_f Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2006 at 11:29am
maybe evolution was the system created by God? it was meant to be ?

I am still waiting for new theories, whole biology is based on evolution & it works perfectly. maybe we have it the wrong way, what if we are missing the piece of the puzzle?

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