The Holy Gospel did not evolve!

Hasan,

   As far as the "Santa Claus thingy," do you really believe that Muhammad traveled to Jerusalem on the back of the strange and mythical creature, Al Buraq? Who was said to be white in color, between the size of a donkey and a mule, has the face of a woman, the wings of an eagle and the tail of a peacock?

   You say that I "refuse to examine the source (the Bible) rather blindly believe it, probably as part of your "family tradition."

   And I suppose that your "blind belief" in Islam has NOTHING to do with your own "family tradition?"

   I have no difficulty in examining "the Bible" which clearly explains everything concerning Christianity.

   "Santa Claus" (who is not a complete "myth") comes from St. Nicholas, also called Nikolaus of Myra, who was a historic 4th Century A.D. saint and Greek Bishop of Myra in Lycia. He was born in 270 A.D. and died on Dec. 6, 346 A.D. (Julian Calendar) in Myra. St. Nicholas was particularly known as a "bringer of gifts." "Santa Claus" is derived from the Dutch, Father Christmas, "Sinterklaas."

   Adult Christians in the United States do not believe that "Santa Claus" is a real person. He is a symbol, beloved by children, of Christmas, the holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. "Santa Claus" is seen in almost all countries of the world, part of the Western culture that has been adopted in relatively recent times by many countries, even Arab nations. Does that mean they "believe" in him?

Larry

Edited by Larry - 08 September 2012 at 2:21pm

Friendship wrote:

Greetings Friendship,
I was responding to this, your statement;

"You know better than me that the Bible stipulated that the G-d of Abraham listens to only the one with a clean heart."

I was agreeing with you.  If there are more religious than non-religious in the U.S. then yes, wouldn't that be the thing which should determine the outcome of the election?  Support of one who supports Godly principles rather than undermines them?

Caringheart

Larry wrote: Caringheart,    Tell you "where" I thought you were nasty or venomous" in your post? How about, "Obama supports VILE things to any God fearing, God honoring person...etc.)"    Or, "a vote for Obama is a vote for EVIL." Oh, I see, God is in the electoral system of the United States and tells us who to "vote" for?    Then, you have the nerve to ask me if I believe in God or the Word of God!    I do not need to be lectured by YOU.    I have gay members of my own family, do you consider them to be "vile" also? How DARE you judge ANYONE, who do you think you are?    Then you say the most st**id thing; "God's design is for the benefit of His creation." How can there be an "abberation" in "God's design?"    So, my gay family members WEREN'T "created" by "God?" Who created them, Satan? I read a statement once; "Poor God, the st**idities He gets blamed for."    And here is a reminder from God's "Word" to you.    Matthew 7:1-5,    1. "Judge not, that you be not judged."    2. "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."    3. "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"    4. Or, how can you say to your brother, 'let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?"    5. "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."    But, evidently, this citation does not apply to YOU, because you are such a "God fearing" and "God honoring" person, far above the "vile" people that you accuse, trying to justify your own prejudice, self-righteousness and bigotry, and using God and His "Word" as the excuse to do it, as so many other self-described, self-appointed "good" Christians. And yes, you ARE judging others, no matter how carefully you try to conceal it behind your long-winded, puritanical, self-righteous and hypocritical facade.    And the only "pit" the United States is "falling" in is the one in your own mind. Larry

Hello again Larry,
(We really should put this in another thread)

But anyway, first, I only said "A vote for Obama is a vote for evil" in this latest post, i.e., before you accused me of saying "venomous things"... so that part does not support the reason for your initial accusation.

As far as voting... you either want a return to paganism or you support what made the country great to begin with... a nation established with the principles of God in mind.

I do not consider gay people to be vile unless they act against natural design and act on their impulses, just as I could not approve a person who acts upon his impulses of attraction to children.  One who belongs to God will not act on these wrong impulses.  No different than how an unmarried person remains chaste if they belong to God.  I do not view homosexuality any different that I view adultery.

I too have an uncle who has been confused about his sexuality and I have always shown him love.  This does not mean I am going to support making this type of confusion part of the society in which I live.  Satan is the author of confusion.  I will always work against confusion.

" How can there be an "abberation" in "God's design?"
I guess I just answered that question.

As far as God's part.  God gives all of us our crosses to bear, and we either choose to bear them, or we choose our own way(following the lure of satan.  Just like Eve chose to listen to the wiles of satan.  We can all be deceived.).  I have my cross to bear as well.  I have chosen submission to God and His will.  I see the wisdom of it, and I experience the peace and freedom of it.

And I already told you... there is no plank in my eye.  I only support the will of God.
I did not accuse any person of being vile.  I said we have a president who is willing to support vile things... like murder, and things that defile God's design and plan for life.

As far as pits... Watch some programs sometime, or read, about what the world was like when paganism ruled.  Remember the Romans? 
'The fall of all great societies begins in the moral decline of its people.'

As I said, I am not judging, but I will support a society that is supportable... one that God will bless rather than curse.
Are you sure you know God?

I'm sorry that all this hits a nerve with you, but that is nothing new.  Most people don't like to submit their wills.  It is why the message of God has been rejected since the beginning of time.  People remain blind to the fact that doing God's will is for their benefit.  People are much more interested in their own will and want God to give them their wishes... as if God were our personal genie.
I will quote someone else who once wrote;
"How can you ask Me to bless something which I have already spoken about?"

¹⁴ If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

¹³ If I stop up the heavens that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

Is not the United States already experiencing some of these things?

¹⁸ When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but I will hold you accountable for their blood.

²⁰ Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but I will hold you accountable for their blood.
²¹ Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

May your day be blessed Larry,
Caringheart

[side note:  I doubt you will find many women saying later in life, 'I'm so glad I had that abortion.']

Also, sorry you feel like I am lecturing.  I am just conversing. 


Edited by Caringheart - 08 September 2012 at 12:26pm

Caringheart wrote: Caringheart,    Tell you "where" I thought you were nasty or venomous" in your post? How about, "Obama supports VILE things to any God fearing, God honoring person...etc.)"    Or, "a vote for Obama is a vote for EVIL." Oh, I see, God is in the electoral system of the United States and tells us who to "vote" for?    Then, you have the nerve to ask me if I believe in God or the Word of God!    I do not need to be lectured by YOU.    I have gay members of my own family, do you consider them to be "vile" also? How DARE you judge ANYONE, who do you think you are?    Then you say the most st**id thing; "God's design is for the benefit of His creation." How can there be an "abberation" in "God's design?"    So, my gay family members WEREN'T "created" by "God?" Who created them, Satan? I read a statement once; "Poor God, the st**idities He gets blamed for."    And here is a reminder from God's "Word" to you.    Matthew 7:1-5,    1. "Judge not, that you be not judged."    2. "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."    3. "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"    4. Or, how can you say to your brother, 'let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?"    5. "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."    But, evidently, this citation does not apply to YOU, because you are such a "God fearing" and "God honoring" person, far above the "vile" people that you accuse, trying to justify your own prejudice, self-righteousness and bigotry, and using God and His "Word" as the excuse to do it, as so many other self-described, self-appointed "good" Christians. And yes, you ARE judging others, no matter how carefully you try to conceal it behind your long-winded, puritanical, self-righteous and hypocritical facade.    And the only "pit" the United States is "falling" in is the one in your own mind. Larry Larry wrote: Larry,I did not "go off" on Obama.� There was no nastiness or venom in my post, just a statement of fact.� Tell me please where I was nasty and venomous?Do you believe in God?� Do you believe in the Word of God?Anyone who believes in God knows that the things which Obama supports are evil.Killing God's creation is evil.God created them male and female... male and female He created them for one another.� Anything else is an abberation of God's design.God's design is for the benefit of His creation.Now if you do not see that, that is you.If you do not believe in God, and you believe in self-determinism and only use scripture to back up your ideas... to be your own God... well that is you and you will see to where it leads the world... We have seen it before in history.� God is clear in His Word about what is acceptable and what isn't, and what happens to a people who reject and turn away from Him and His design.� What do you think has happened to the country of the United States?� Why do you think it is so much in decline?� Its foundations that were built on solid rock are now shifting sands.� The foundations have been pulverized.� The one who builds his foundation upon sand is a fool.� There is no plank in my eye, and I am not judging.� I am not casting stones.� I will make my vote a vote for God and not for evil.� A vote for Obama is a vote for evil. "And when Romney/Ryan make deep cuts in medicare and medicaid, along with food stamps for the hungry, to poor people and their children, as they said they would do, what will you have to say then?" What will I say then?� Well let me see... since I am on Social Security and I depend on Medicare and Medicaid... Hmmm, let's see, what does that say about me?� It says that I am not thinking about my own selfish self.� It says I put my reliance on God and am prepared to accept what He sends my way, even if it be death.� It says, that I know, that these things need to happen for people to step up and do what people ought to be doing... i.e., according to God's plan... to help one another... to do what Jesus said... to love.� It is not the governments job to do these things.� Trials are made for people to be better people to each other.It says that I can see that the greater good is served by serving God, and not self.I just read in the Qur'an today;<t></t><t></t><t></t><table cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"><t><tr><td><a name="46">36:46</a> Never came a token of the tokens of their Lord to them, but they did turn away from it! </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td><a name="47">36:47</a> And when they are told, 'Give to others out of what God has provided for you', the disbelievers say to the believers, 'Why should we feed those whom God would feed if He wanted?� Ye must be deeply misguided.' </td></tr></t></table>Muhammad too, was trying to correct the mindset of his people.And yes, I know what I am talking about.� I used to work in International Business.� I know how International economy is supposed to work. � I worked for IBM, Siemens, and Dole companies.� As long as America does not have to pick itself up by its bootstraps, it will not do so.� America is in decline and has been for some time.� America is too centered on self... on entertainment... on recreation... on easy living.� America has lost its way.� There is not enough incentive, motivation, or innovation in America which was once great in these things.� China is far ahead of America now in its innovations.� It is far better prepared to face the future.� Trials and hardships spur people on to work for better things.How did people get through the worst times in the history of the United States... the depression?� I'll tell you... it brought out the good in people... people helped each other... people, children and grandchildren alike, helped their families instead of being selfish and expecting everything to be for themselves.� Some cultures still know how to live this way... God's way.� Hard times can make people learn to work hard, but since they have lost their way morally I fear that this is not what would happen today.� I fear that much of this generation of today would have more of a criminal mindset.� They are so used to being 'given'... 'Give me, give me, give me'... In the country of the United States no one wants to work for what they get anymore.� India has the moral mindset and work ethic that the United States once had.� India is moving ahead.� The United States is falling into a pit.God sends trials.� We do not always know why those trials come to us, but how we deal with them, testifies as to whether or not we belong to God.� Belonging to God means accepting God's will.� Are you familiar with the story of Job? I'll quit here.[IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" />

Edited by Larry - 08 September 2012 at 3:57am