Apologetic Hiroshima and defiant America |
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Whisper
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Pray! What name did I call you here? I wasn't even addressing you, but just admiring sister Nausheen's patience and calibre.
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b95000
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Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names (name calling) will never hurt me. Do you know this old child's verse? Sasha, you can call me names - without proof - til you're blue in the face - and some days you do! You chide me for asking for proof - and yet, you're full of specious charges...you tell me how that is unreasonable. It's not.. |
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Bruce
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Whisper
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not suddenly boring, but perpetually boring, Nausheen, I admire your patience with our zig zag poster. you never know where he is coming from or going. Don't ever mention "day" to him. He will ask you to produce proof that day exists or why should it exist!! |
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Bruce
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Nausheen
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim, Koizumi repeats apology "Our country caused damage and pain to many countries, especially the people of Asia, during the war," Koizumi said in a speech at the annual ceremony held at Nippon Budokan hall in Chiyoda Ward, Tokyo. "I profoundly pray for the souls of the war dead and the victims of war both at home and abroad." The prime minister also pledged to make further efforts to boost friendly relationships with other nations and contribute to global peace and prosperity. more... Edited by Nausheen |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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Nausheen
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
I do not need to provide any proof. The number of civilians you guys have been killing is no secret. The discussion is not suddenly boring, but perpetually boring, because for you only when 4000 americans were killed they were individuals, rest all need proofs, specifics etc, and if we go in further details the discussion turns back into a circle for why there was war, and all this is collateral damage etc etc etc. You have been here for not more than 4 months, and I have been on this forum for more than 4 years. This is not the first time an american is trying to ignore that civilian deaths are not just numbers in newpapers and news bulletins, but real human beings! That civilian deaths are your responisbilty! That this is a price they pay for your wars! The japanese have said sorry to the chinese and the Koreans, and citizens started flying back across broders after 50+ years. I think they should do the same for the pearl harbour incident, but I have talked to many many japanese, they are not smart alecs. They are humble and accept the fault of Japan in world war ... They behave civil. I have met koreans and Thai ppl in Japan, and seen bitterness in their eyes and voices against the Japanese. War does that, to deny people the right to it, or to deny it is the responsibility of the one who caused pain, is cruel in plain common man's language. Therefore talking about "this is war" and "this is the reason why we have war" can be a good passtime for you, but there are people dying WHO SHOULD NOT BE DYING. Iraqis are better, and Afghanis are better ..... this is what you think, but the reality is none is better, nor is america after the attacks. This you will understand 10 years down the road. The attack on Afghanistan was the beginning to end of the super power of America. This is not debatable now, because your super power has not ended yet. Come back and debate after 10 years. Peace, N |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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herjihad
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Bismillah, B, I can see that you are a person who hates warfare by wanting to make plowshares out of guns! That's wonderful! I see people pointing the finger at the so-called west for everything, but I contend that it is the devil's fault, and that all of us humans need to work together against evil. It is vital that we accept responsibility individually for wrongs we commit and as the groups that we are divided into. I vote as an American because I haven't received my Earthling passport just yet. So I take part of the responsibility for bombing all of those innocent people in Japan. I apologize and encourage people in America not to do such a thing again. In my thread about George Galloway I question what the situation in Iraq is really like and refer to his departure from the Green Zone opinions to the people deep inside Iraq whom he spoke to. Really, I don't know if the Iraqis are better or worse off. I think they are worse, but only they can tell us that, and I certainly don't believe the news stories. And different people there will think differently, but we are talking about most people, right? I hear stories from there that others don't because of a connection I have of someone there. These stories merely confirm to me that the media is not getting the information to us that we need to understand the situation in Iraq. It is the Japanese who need to be concerned with what they did to other people and make amends even for their war crimes. Just as each person and group needs to do the same with our consciousnesses, so do they. Most people here on this forum hate what the Japanese did too, but many of us in the world think that the bombs should not have been dropped. Should have beens are easy. Judgements in retrospect are easy. Elect me president, and I will show you what I would do as such! But seriously, as a voter I will always vote against the Bushes and Kerrys. They are just rich, privileged brats that don't understand suffering, and therefore can't properly lead. Abe Lincolon shines as an example of a great American president. Now, you might say: What would Abe have done in a similar situation about the bomb? Well, just like with me or anyone else, should have beens and would have dones are easy to discuss, but not relevant because we really don't know a lot of the time what decsion anyone would or will make until we are in a situation. I am sure I wouldn't have dropped such devastation on civilians. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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b95000
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Bruce
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