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Friendship
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.
Is this actually your quote? :Hmm, I wonder....this made me think.If no one disputed his truthfulness would not all Jews and Christians in the territory have become followers of Muhammad? Answer. Understand please that in Makka there were no Christians. In Medina the Jews lived in Fadak and 8 klm from the masjid Rasulullah in their expectation that when the messenger comes he will be from them. There were also no Christians. Christians of the Byzantine belief were living in Yemen. They all believed after the conquest of Makka. The jews could not believe for the Shari'a was consolidated, perfected, simplified as a result of their behavior. without them, revelation and hence Muhammad Rasulullah could be senseless. Personally, I do not believe in accusing them of disbelief. They played their role and were given place to live in Syria etc. THEY WILL BE FORGIVEN BY ALLAH. Please read that book I recommended for you. Friendship |
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honeto
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Caringheart, I do not know from where you get your knowledge of Islam my friend, but you are wrong again. Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) did not say to kill those who did not believe in him, if that's what you are saying. And I suppose you see something else in these words of the Bible then how they appear, don't tell me there is love in there! Matt 10: 34 �Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn ��a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law � 36 a man�s enemies will be the members of his own household.� And to further correct you: Prophet Mohammed did not follow what Prophet Jesus (pbut) said. They both followed what Allah said to them. Hasan Edited by honeto - 06 August 2012 at 12:16pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaika Matt Browne.
Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations. You are have become a follower of Muhammad but only that you are yet to have conviction. He told us never to say something bad on what was revealed before him. Friendship. |
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Matt Browne
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You claim that Christianity is founded on a lie or lies. But your claim doesn't make this true. Religious beliefs involve symbolic meanings. There is no evidence that the angel Gabriel talked to the Prophet Muhammad in cave of Hijra. Thinking this was so is a religious belief. Which I respect. So the difference between you and me is that I don't call your beliefs a lie. |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Abu Loren, (I don't know why, I just want to say "Greetings Abu". It has a nice sound to it. ) Anyway... Regarding Peter and Paul... I can easily see how you might see it this way. But we have the eyewitness of many to Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus. We have the account of his blindness. We have the eyewitness of Ananais being sent to him by God. So yes, you would have to believe in the conversion of Paul and the vision of God coming to him and speaking to him. Aside from all that, I find nothing in the teaching of Paul that is reprehensible or disagreeable to what was taught by Jesus himself. In fact Paul teaches against the same things that Muhammad taught against. I agree that the church is not what Jesus would want and that Paul had a hand in that... the building of the church... but his teachings are sound if you go by the Book. Regarding the Kabba and Ishmael and Abraham... Yes, we probably have spoken about this, and I have probably said this before... If this is so then why is there no recorded writing of it anywhere in history? It is my understanding that the Kabba has everything to do with the 'rock that was sent down from heaven'. "Islam is the only religion in the world where true monotheism is perfected. As I have said repeatedly, it was ordered by God Almighty through the angel Jibril (AS)."Saying it repeatedly will not make it so. But you do make me think about this... 'the only religion where monotheism is perfected'What about the Jews? They only worship one God. And so do the Christians, the way they understand it in their hearts, and from the mouth of Jesus Himself. (Which I know you will reject, but what about the Jews?) Why is Islam in your mind the only religion where monotheism is perfected? Why do you believe anything in this world can be perfected? Do you not attribute a great deal to man, of which he is not capable, as long as satan is still around? Salaam, Caringheart |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Ismail, I am glad to have these questions. They challenge me to think seriously about my own faith. They also allow me(through God's leading) to show how the scriptures can be misunderstood if not studied properly. Just as some on these forums have helped me to see where I misunderstand some of the Quran'ic writing. We must know how it is the people understand their scriptures to mean, so that we may understand what it is that the people follow. These which you quote only confirm what I have said... that I am pleased to have the testimony of many men and not just one. Yes, this is a disturbing statement of Paul's but reading it in context... Does it anywhere in the context explain what this comment means? Let's examine the context of what Paul is saying. 13 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.He is saying that he required nothing of them and it was through the witness of his own self sacrifice that they were won over. 12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory.I recommend a study of the whole chapter. 13 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.Salaam, Caringheart |
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Caringheart
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This doesn't really answer what I posted. If all were convinced of Muhammad's truthfulness then all would have followed Muhammad. What it does address however is the fact that we believe the same(Muhammad took from the Christian teaching so it would be the same). We both believe that man can be blinded to God's truth. The difference is Jesus did not say to kill those who you believe to be blind. He did not say to 'kill those who do not believe in Me'. This is where Muhammad 'changed the Word of God' as was prophesied. You believe Paul changed the Word of God. I do not see that. I see that the testimony of many men from the time(not one man) are in agreement, and in agreement with the prophesies from before Jesus. |
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I have faith in the testimony of a great many eyewitnesses and the word of many men inspired by God who are in agreement one with another.
PAUL : On his own admittance being cunning, used deceit: "But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I CAUGHT YOU WITH GUILE." 2 CORINTHIANS 12:16 |
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