False prophets

JOUBERAR wrote: Since when did God write Quran since when please dont try to convince me with your lies, I will take on anybody in the world to proof to them that Quran is not God's word.

JOUBERAR wrote: honeto wrote: Hi, for me its simple to recognize, true from false. In present times it is most clear that what prophet Mohammed (pbuh) taught has no match. In terms of the most important aspects and teachings of a belief he is consistent unlike anyone else in these times. His teachings of Absolute Monotheism turn out to be the most consistent and reinstate God's true status as traced in OT, as One of One. Through his teachings we learn that if God has a favorite, its the one who lives by his commands the most. And that salvation is achieved through obeying Him, and seeking His Mercy and Forgiveness. All genuine ideas that appeal to the intellect and common sense. We know the prophet did not seek his own glory, rather he always Glorified the only One worthy of such, God Almighty. The prophet always made it clear that he was a servant of God, for a noble service he was sent, to guide the mankind to the right. And its through the guidance that came through him that we have a chance to be guided into serving our purpose as intended in directing our services and worship to none other than its rightful owner, God Almighty rather than those created by Him. That speaks the truth for who the prophet was, the verdict is too evident if it is the truth we seek, he was indeed a prophet from God, a sign of God's Mercy for all of us. Those who benefit from this mercy will see it then, those who do not benefit from this mercy will seek it then, but it will be too late then. Hasan   Can you be more specific what Muhammad "taught has no match" or can I ask you how would you descride from where does the Quran originated from and on what principalities is the Quran based on?

Jouberar,
sure, I can be more specific, Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) came at a time when humanity was without pure guidance of worshiping to their Creator, God Almighty.
Guidance that came through him only shows us how to direct our worship and service purely to where it belongs, not just in words and claims rather in practice.
Let me get a response on this from you first, and we will talk about the Quran after that. I prefer to talk one thing at a time, trust me its the best way.

Hasan


Edited by honeto - 18 May 2010 at 8:24pm

RESPONSE TO JOUBERAR:

You say Allah wrote the Quran where is the book that Allah wrote the original Quran where is the "pen" come where is the "pen" Muhammad said the first thing that Allah created was a pen and then second Allah must have created a book so that he can wrote in it and called it the Quran where is that book that Allah have wrote

It is with Allah as it says in 85:21-22:

"Nay, this is a Glorious Qur'an, (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!"  

you say it yourself that the author is God now for 4500 years God have withheld the Quran from the jews and everyone on earth and 600 years after Jesus Allah decided it is now time and He must give this wonderfull book that he kept 4500 years back

The Quran did not have anything that was not in the previous scriptures.  It delivered the same message that was found in the previous books, which by the way are also with God.  But its revelation became necessary after the Jews and Christians corrupted the previous scriptures, which you have admitted. 

He must now give to Muhammad this book is flawless no faults no contradictions and so on no hatred and the most peacefull religion on earth.

YES!  Your point?

JOUBERAR wrote: islamispeace wrote: Thank you so much for finally proving my point!  You agree then that humans did write parts of the Torah as we have it today (albeit with the unproven assertion that they were "inspired").  My point is proven.  Thank you! As for your question, the author of the Quran is God.  It was revealed in stages, but the words were always with God.  And as it was revealed, the faithful memorized it, while others wrote it down.  Unlike the Bible, there was no human hand in the wording of the text.  Its origins are purely from the divine.  No words from humans are in the text.  They are all God's words.   Since when did God write Quran since when please dont try to convince me with your lies, I will take on anybody in the world to proof to them that Quran is not God's word.   No words from humans are in the text.LET SEE WHERE DO YOU CAME UPON IS THIS YOUR OWN OPINION. Who revealed the Quran to Muhammad nobody but himself lying to the poor old Arabs who simply believed his lies.

There are various reasons, including the fact that there exist no contradictions in the Quran.  If a human had written the Quran, eventually discrepancies and contradictions would have arisen.  We found no such examples.  Second, the Quran challenges those who deny its origins to produce just three verses like it.  Those familiar with Arabic know exactly what the challenge is talking about.  Historically, Arabic literature and poetry has been classified along 16 styles, all of which can be imitated.  However, scholars agree that the Quran is a style of its own.  Nothing before it or after it in the entire history of the Arabic language has imitated the Quran's literary style.  That is proof that the author was not any man, but God.  The Bible on the other hand has been redacted (as you admitted) by man.