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Begbie
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I asked, very explicitly, what the punishment for zina is as stated in the quran. It is not stoning. My question has been answered. I am not interested in pursuing it. Regards, Francis Begbie. Edited by Begbie |
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firewall
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bismillahi rahmani raheem,
honestly, i'm sad how one cannot see i posted Quran, 4:59 & 24:51. clearly these Quran verses revealed that Allah supported Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), that the Prophet enacted Allah's Laws. for Allah to support the Prophet, it must mean that, muslims must also look into the Prophet conducts, as to support our understanding of the Quran. when we differ about stoning in the Quran, we must look for our supporting basis in the Prophet's conducts. this is what Allah states in the Quran -- the verses are many & very clear. Quran, 4:65. But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad [PBUH]) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission. so the crucial answer we must now find -- did the Prophet (PBUH), or did he not, enacted stoning? answering this, you will see why i presented the Saheeh Hadiths. these are records that the Prophet of Allah did enacted stoning. if you bring me records that the Prophet rejected stoning, insha Allah i'll reconsider. but i've found many reputable records confirming this judgement (as in last posts), & none rejecting it. so pls understand, for me, i don't have any basis to deny it, thus i believe. i also read that stoning has been revealed by Allah since the days of Moses (its in the Torah). it was known by the Jews, by the Christians, by muslims. ask them wether Moses enacted stoning. I belive he does too. the trouble is, some people deny it this judgement. pls understand, i'm here not to quarrel with you. Allah will Ask me on Judgement Day. & i don't have a basis to deny stoning, so pls.. i must say i believe. Allah will Asks you too, & you will answer too. all & all i don't want to misled people, so you can judge yourself. may Allah Help us seek Truth. may we understand, insha Allah. wallahu a'lam. to rahma2r, its because the man is single, the woman is married. unmarried person is judged by 100 lashes, married person is judged by stoning. wallahu a'lam. Edited by firewall |
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Begbie
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I reject it because I don't believe in any of it. But working with what's in front of me, it is still a very tenuous argument you make.
None of them are from the koram though are they (I only checked a couple of links.
If anyone has walls, it is yourself, you are surrounded by a wall of orthodoxy and dogma.
I am not twisting anything. I said my piece and that was that. How can you twist a fact anyway. The punishment for zina is clearly stated in the koran and it aint stoning.
I'm all for that. But anyway, we can agree to disagree and let the matter rest. Francis Begbie. Edited by Begbie |
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rahma2r
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I dont get it? Y did the guy got away with it and the wife was killed? can someone provide some info on it please PM me
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rahma2r
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Hitler was a Christain A good one is this from Mein Kampf:
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AhmadJoyia
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Dear Sis firewall I am not very clear when you say "but i did found Quran verse supporting stoning as mentioned in my previous post." as which part of your previous post show this? If this is your evidence "....The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Book (Laws): As for the slave girl and the sheep, they are to be returned; & as for your son, he shall receive 100 lashes & will be exiled for 1 year. You, O Unais!" addressing a man from Bani Aslam, "Go tomorrow morning to the wife of this (man) & if she confesses, then stone her to death."The next morning Unais went to the wife and she confessed, & he stoned her to death.", and not from the Quran we have itself, then either we don't have the same Allah's Book or the narration is wrongly interpreted or this narration is just a fabrication. I don't know which out of these three possiblities you consider them to be true and which as 'false'?
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firewall
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Begbie
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See, for me, that would imply that the koran is either not the complete word of god or it has been corrupted (I seem to remember a vague reference to a beast of burden eating some pages or something) or people are picking and choosing. As you probably know, the koran only crowd will make this argument. No further response i needed, thanks for your input. Regards, Francis Begbie. Edited by Begbie |
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