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Hasan, you haven't stated any problem yet. You are still grasping for straws, the fact still remains the same as I have stated before and shown. Ishmael was NOT part of the covenant, he never was.

No wonder he is NOT stated, even in the Quran as the child that was to be sacrificed! The Bible rightly stated Isaac.
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:


and what is this mistreatment of Isaac by Ishmael, from where do you get that?
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


I can answer in part;

Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:


CAringheart and others,
read the last line, it does not tell anything like what you say that God turned his back, instead it says what it says, just read it loud. And this is for those of your who take Bible as pure word of God. At least believe that.
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Well for myself I never did say that God turned His back on Ishmael.  On the contrary I said, "He has his part to play."

I was only answering your question, i.e.
and what is this mistreatment of Isaac by Ishmael, from where do you get that?
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The funny thing about the Bible account is that when Isaac was born Ishmael was already 14 years old. While the Bible portrays Ishmael as a small child while in those days a 15 year old man was an..adult!
"And Abraham arose early in the morning, and he took bread and a leather pouch of water, and he gave [them] to Hagar, he placed [them] on her shoulder, and the child, and he sent her away; and she went and wandered in the desert of Beer sheba."
"And the water was depleted from the leather pouch, and she cast the child under one of the bushes"
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Rise, pick up the lad and grasp your hand upon him, for I shall make him into a great nation."

Also remember to add a couple of years for Isaac weaning period! "And the child grew and was weaned, and Abraham made a great feast on the day that Isaac was weaned." So that makes Ishmael at least 16 years of age!!!!!!!!!

So how many problems we will have to deal with in the Bible?
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Edited by honeto - 24 January 2013 at 1:03pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Kish,
....and that misinterpretation is ??
and what is this mistreatment of Isaac by Ishmael, from where do you get that?
Hasan
I can answer in part;

<span id="en-KJV-523" ="text Gen-21-9"><sup ="versenum">9�And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.</span>

<span id="en-KJV-524" ="text Gen-21-10"><sup ="versenum">10�Wherefore
she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son
of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.</span>

<span id="en-KJV-525" ="text Gen-21-11"><sup ="versenum">11�And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.</span>

<span id="en-KJV-526" ="text Gen-21-12"><sup ="versenum">12�And
God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of
the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto
thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.</span>

<span id="en-KJV-527" ="text Gen-21-13"><sup ="versenum">13�And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.� (the book of Genesis)</span>



CAringheart and others,
read the last line, it does not tell anything like what you say that God turned his back, instead it says what it says, just read it loud. And this is for those of your who take Bible as pure word of God. At least believe that.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Did God turn his back on Islam?

Geneses 26:24, 25 says he did

 
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.

Certainly and beyond that. This is according to the teaching of Muhammad that always one must have a detailed exposition of facts and proofs, evidences, signs etc.
You see Caringheart, the G-d of Abraham told Muhammad, "If you are in doubt of what has been revealed to you ask those who have the scripture (book) before you. Indeed the truth has come from your Lord and so do not be in doubt." There is certainly a way to live in harmony from the teaching of Muhammad, but most of you hate it.

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Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaika Caringheart.
Let us begin from Canaan to today. I do not want to speculate and cause unsheathing swords.

Friendship.


Hello Friendship,

I am confused by your confusion... "from Canaan to today"? 
You mean from the time Moses led his people to the land of Canaan?
That is what I was addressing.

Salaam,
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.

Let us begin from Canaan to today. I do not want to speculate and cause unsheathing swords.

Friendship.
 
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