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The verses above talk about the Gospel (or Injil), not the Christian Bible (from Genesis to Revelation). Which Gospel does Quran talk about? Are they the canonical gospels? No! I believe that the gospel that Quran mentions is the original gospel, maybe it's the Lost Gospel Q, or maybe it's the Hebrew Matthew which Jerome called it as "matthaei authenticum". FYI, according to ahadith from Bukhari, Waraqa ibn Naufal - the uncle of the Prophet's wife, did translate a gospel from hebrew to arabic. |
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I think the best example is the gospel. Are the canonical gospel authentic? Many scholars believe that the author of Mark, Matthew, and Luke didn't write their gospel independently. Rather, they copied form other source(s), i.e. Matthew and Luke copied from Mark and another Lost Gospel called Q. Many scholars believe that the Lost Gospel Q is the original gospel, the first gospel, and the earliest gospel. The most important thing about Jesus according to the Gospel is his sayings and his teachings such as "the Sermon on the Mount". There are no stories about Jesus's death, crucifixion, and resurrection in the gospel. In short, Jesus' birth, death, crucifixion, and resurrection is not that important according to the original gospel. Only later that the New Testament authors changed this view, and they claim that Jesus's death and resurrection is the central theme of Christianity. |
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This is one of the examples how the Bible's authors edited the Bible. The verse that you cited is from Matthew 28:19. Did you know that Matthew originally wrote the Bible in Semitic language (either Hebrew or Aramaic)? Church Fathers like Papias and Jerome confirmed that Matthew wrote his gospel in Hebrew, which Jerome called it as matthaei authenticum (the original Matthew), which was written in Hebrew. The Hebrew Matthew had been lost for centuries, but they still have a copy of copy of copy of that text. One of the copy of the Hebrew Matthew is from Shem Tov. In the version of Shem-Tov, there's is no Trinity in Matthew 28:19. Obviously that the trinity part of the verse is an addition by later author/editor. |
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Dear Saved,
After a long time I studied the Bible, yes, that there are parts of the contents are not guaranteed its purity, therefore, I can't turn away from the Quran where the purity of Allah's words is still assured. I am a person who is not easy to believe in a book before I learned also the other books as comparative study like the Bible, the Tripitaka (Buddhist) and the Veda (Hindu). For muslims, only Allah the savior of the best. Regards, Asep |
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Hello Ceo3 Thank you for your reply. To say you believe in all the scriptures only in as far as it compliments the Quran. This is arrogant and ignorant. It is like me saying I only believe in the Quran only if it fits my own views. It leaves no room to be challenged or have your views widened. This is ignorance. The flood of Noah and parting of the Red Sea were miracles of God. Miracles only. Not the pseudo science that Muslims profess so as to promote the supposed �superiority of the Quran.� I agree. People of different denominations should focus on what we have in common. However I suggest you also tell that to muslim153 after his attempt to undermine the Bible and Christianity by misrepresenting what Jesus said is his relationship to God the Father. If you read his comment he also said �there�s more science and math in the Quran than the Bible�, attempting to use this as a straw man argument of the superiority of the Quran. He also said �People believe the Bible with NO evidence true are spiritually dead.� So if you are wanting to preach a focus on what we have in common the place to start is with your Muslim brothers such as Muslim153. Yes Muslims and Christians both agree that Jesus / Isa will return to earth and fight the anti-Christ. However the Injil / Gospels say much more than that. Jesus said he is The Son of God who has come to forgive and redeem world. This is a blessing Muslims are at risk of missing. Peace and Blessings and Truth |
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Edited by Saved - 26 October 2016 at 8:53am |
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Ceo3
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We believe in all the scriptures in as far as it compliments the Quran. As you, we believe in the flood of Noah, parting of red sea through Moses and miracles of Jesus (may Gods peace be upon them all). Any scientific rationale for these? People of different denominations should rather focus on what we have in common, ie peace and justice on earth, concern for fellow man and the common enemy of immorality and materialism.
Muslims also believe Jesus (peace be upon him) will return to earth as well and fight the anti-Christ. The Quran is very strict ito our respect for other faiths and their Prophets. Peace brother, |
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You misunderstand the Bible. Jesus said he is the Son of God (Mathew 26), not God the Father. The Quaran is clear it says the Bible is the Word of God. S. 19.30, S. 5:46, S. 57:27, S. 5:46. Muslims need to accept and believe in the Bible. The "science" in the Quran is rubbish. The Quran says the sun set into a muddy pond ! It also says Soloman spoke with ants! These things are not scientific and are ridiculous. If the Quaran has so much science then why are there no decent Universities in the Muslim world. All the best universities are in Europe or America. The oldest Quaran found in Sanaa in the 1970s proves the Quaran is not a miracle book. Edited by 2Acts - 25 October 2016 at 5:16pm |
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