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The Gospel is the good news that because of Jesus all mankind can have eternal life. This means everyone, including Muslims. The Gospel is the good news that Jesus opened up new dimensions in the relationship between God and mankind, not a written document.

The four biblical gospels are not "The Gospel". Those are only transcribed oral histories. 'Gospel' in the sense of the bible is a literary genre.

In the Qu'ran, Jesus is the ultimate judge of all Muslims. I think the question for Muslims is "What is it about Jesus that the Qu'ran makes Jesus the final judge of Muslims instead of Muhammad?"
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Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:

Dear Saved,

Indeed, all Muslims are required to believe in the gospel because it is the word of God, but in this day, which one is true?, therefore, I ever propose to you "do I need to prove?" that each gospel is different one of another.
What parts of the gospel is it you agree with and what parts do you disagree?
Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:


Keep in mind that not all Muslims agree with the declaration of war against all unbelievers except as in the word of Allah 60: 8 where muslims are not forbidden to make good relationship in all matters without distinction of ethnic, nation, skin color, religion and so on, except they will change muslims aqidah and expel Muslims from their hometown like the Palestinians which are gradually their territory will annexed by Israel.
Are you telling me that not all Muslims agree with what the Quran states you are to do? Why?
Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:


In Islam, Jesus is not the only one who can save mankind, but all men who obediently follow the teachings of their Apostles will get salvation from Allah.
If the Gospel said "The gospel states that there is no other name given under heaven whereby we might be saved but the name of Jesus Christ." This means that the Gospel of today invites you not to believe the other scriptures before the Gospel was revealed like the Psalms and the Torah. Is that right?
Jesus said in the gospel you said you believed in that "No man comes to God the father except through me" Do you doubt Jesus or the gospel you said you believed in.?
Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:


Related to ISIS declaration issues, I personally do not agree with the ideology of ISIS, because not only declare war with non-Muslims but also ISIS fight and kill other Muslims.
Isis kills Muslims that they feel are hypocrites. A hypocrite to them is Muslim that don't believe the Quran when it states to kill the unbeliever wherever you find him. Isis feels they are living the Quran the Muslims and Christians they kill are not.

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Dear Saved,

Indeed, all Muslims are required to believe in the gospel because it is the word of God, but in this day, which one is true?, therefore, I ever propose to you "do I need to prove?" that each gospel is different one of another.

Keep in mind that not all Muslims agree with the declaration of war against all unbelievers except as in the word of Allah 60: 8 where muslims are not forbidden to make good relationship in all matters without distinction of ethnic, nation, skin color, religion and so on, except they will change muslims aqidah and expel Muslims from their hometown like the Palestinians which are gradually their territory will annexed by Israel.

In Islam, Jesus is not the only one who can save mankind, but all men who obediently follow the teachings of their Apostles will get salvation from Allah.
If the Gospel said "The gospel states that there is no other name given under heaven whereby we might be saved but the name of Jesus Christ." This means that the Gospel of today invites you not to believe the other scriptures before the Gospel was revealed like the Psalms and the Torah. Is that right?

Related to ISIS declaration issues, I personally do not agree with the ideology of ISIS, because not only declare war with non-Muslims but also ISIS fight and kill other Muslims.

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Originally posted by ovibos ovibos wrote:


Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

�The Quaran is clear it says the Bible is the Word of God. S. 19.30, S. 5:46, S. 57:27, S. 5:46.
The verses above talk about the Gospel (or Injil), not the Christian Bible (from Genesis to Revelation).Which Gospel does Quran talk about? Are they the canonical gospels? No!I believe that the gospel that Quran mentions is the original gospel, maybe it's the Lost Gospel Q, or maybe it's the Hebrew Matthew which Jerome called it as "matthaei authenticum".FYI, according to ahadith from Bukhari, Waraqa ibn Naufal - the uncle of the Prophet's wife, did translate a gospel from hebrew to arabic.

Hi Ovibos:

We've the same gospel Muhammad had in his hand in the 7th century when Allah told him he sent it for guidance and light.

Nothing got lost from the gospel. The Quran is clear that the gospel is the unaltered, incorruptible word of Allah, and he commands that the People of the Book (Christians) "stand on the revelation that has been revealed to them for we can do no other" How do we know it is not corrupted? It is because Allah told us to stand on the revelation revealed to us.

The revelation of the gospel revealed that Jesus was born of a virgin sinless and he died and rose from the dead to save us from our sin. Jesus was the only person without sin to save us. All others fall short of God's glory. A drowning man cannot save a drowning man. Jesus was the only person that was found not to be drowning in sin. That is the revelation we got and stand on.

People can interpret the Quran differently when it comes to the gospel being the word of Allah, I accept that Allah was right in telling us to stand firm on our revelation from the gospel.

Those that disbelieve, are free to do so, but no one is free from the consequences of their choices. The gospel states that there is no other name given under heaven whereby we might be saved but the name of Jesus Christ.

Is it true that you can justify almost any interpretation of the Quran; for instance, one can make an argument such as I have been doing by showing the Quran and the gospel agree in areas that Muslims don't or one can interpret it as a declaration of war on all unbelievers like Isis or one can see Islam as a religion of peace in that they are not trying to force sharia on the world?



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Exactly Saved
We've the same gospel Muhammad had in his hand in the 7th century when Allah told him he sent it for guidance and light. These are the same established canon Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. No others were canon. Therefore Muslims must believe in them. That is logical and historical.
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Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:

Dear Saved,

After a long time I studied the Bible, yes, that there are parts of the contents are not guaranteed its purity, therefore, I can't turn away from the Quran where the purity of Allah's words is still assured.

I am a person who is not easy to believe in a book before I learned also the other books as comparative study like the Bible, the Tripitaka (Buddhist) and the Veda (Hindu).

For muslims, only Allah the savior of the best.

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Hello Asep.
The oldest Quran in existence was found in Sanaa Yemen in the 1970s. It proves the Quran is not pure, but is influenced by man.
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We are commanded to love our enemies in the gospel. What does the Quran teach you to do to those that oppose you?

Edited by Saved - 06 November 2016 at 6:28am
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Originally posted by ovibos ovibos wrote:


Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

�The Quaran is clear it says the Bible is the Word of God. S. 19.30, S. 5:46, S. 57:27, S. 5:46.
The verses above talk about the Gospel (or Injil), not the Christian Bible (from Genesis to Revelation).Which Gospel does Quran talk about? Are they the canonical gospels? No!I believe that the gospel that Quran mentions is the original gospel, maybe it's the Lost Gospel Q, or maybe it's the Hebrew Matthew which Jerome called it as "matthaei authenticum".FYI, according to ahadith from Bukhari, Waraqa ibn Naufal - the uncle of the Prophet's wife, did translate a gospel from hebrew to arabic.

Hi Ovibos:

We've the same gospel Muhammad had in his hand in the 7th century when Allah told him he sent it for guidance and light.

Nothing got lost from the gospel. The Quran is clear that the gospel is the unaltered, incorruptible word of Allah, and he commands that the People of the Book (Christians) "stand on the revelation that has been revealed to them for we can do no other" How do we know it is not corrupted? It is because Allah told us to stand on the revelation revealed to us.

The revelation of the gospel revealed that Jesus was born of a virgin sinless and he died and rose from the dead to save us from our sin. Jesus was the only person without sin to save us. All others fall short of God's glory. A drowning man cannot save a drowning man. Jesus was the only person that was found not to be drowning in sin. That is the revelation we got and stand on.

People can interpret the Quran differently when it comes to the gospel being the word of Allah, I accept that Allah was right in telling us to stand firm on our revelation from the gospel.

Those that disbelieve, are free to do so, but no one is free from the consequences of their choices. The gospel states that there is no other name given under heaven whereby we might be saved but the name of Jesus Christ.

Is it true that you can justify almost any interpretation of the Quran; for instance, one can make an argument such as I have been doing by showing the Quran and the gospel agree in areas that Muslims don't or one can interpret it as a declaration of war on all unbelievers like Isis or one can see Islam as a religion of peace in that they are not trying to force sharia on the world?



PBUY,
Al



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Thank you ovibos for info.

Dear 2acts,

I appreciate the corteous dialogue

Christianity and Islam are diff idelogies therefore one cant believe in both from that point of view. By compliments I mean to say the similarities of creation of earth and man, judgement day, the Prophets as. We believe in Taugeed, Islam and Muhhamad saw was last messenger, that for us is cast in stone and offers no compromise.

[16:125] You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

Above is verse in Quran which guides our religious debates. We are not allowed to critisize, attack or question excessively other faiths core beliefs. We are only to explain what Islam is and what if offers. Therefore our passion when conveying especially Quran, its up to each person to make own decision.

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