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Jack Catholic
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Dear Honeto,
Are you absolutely sure that you application of meaning to the words of Jesus as quoted in the bible are accurate? I don't believe you are understanding what Jesus meant. You are not considering the context of the verses which you suggest might be in conflict with Christian belief. If you study the context in great depth according to what the Catholic Church has preserved from the teaching of the Apostles, you will find that it all makes sense, and that Jesus truly is the same God as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.
But what has this got to do with the evolution of the Holy Bible? I still don't see any evidence from you that the Holy Bible has evolved. Are you admitting by your silence that the Holy Bible never truly did evolve? that the Holy Bible is exactly what Jesus said and did, and what he taught the Apostles to teach to all Christians everywhere for all time?
God Bless you,
Jack Catholic
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Mansoor_ali
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Jack Catholic
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Dear Mansoor_Ali
Thanks again for the debate references. These are awsome. I like them because I can listen to them while I do my other work.
God Bless you, Mansoor_Ali!!!
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Mansoor_ali
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Thanks Jack.I will keep quoting those debates which have been among top class debaters.All my debates circulate around Authenticity of Bible. |
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semar
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(My middle schooler daugter just got a flyer the other day from somebody that distributed it at school, I didn't understand how it's posible, it's a public school. Anyway, on the flyer, as usual "Jesus Son of God the savior, featured on the first pages).
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Salam/Peace,
Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
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honeto
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are you kidding me, you got to be deaf to think I am quiet or haven't you read my posts dear.
Look you do quite opposite to what the Bible teaches but you still find excuses and try to find other meanings while the obvious and clear meanings don't mean anything. I am refering to carving images and putting them in places of worship, kneeling to them and so on. Do you obey to the ten commandments, do you really? How do you dodge them then?
And please don't talk about Catholic Church, I know a little bit about its over five centuries of Mafia style terror that stretched accross the world, not just to Spain after its reconquest from Muslims. So, please don't open my mouths about its history. I admit that for about a century it has been trying to improve its image by extensive social and public work and charity. But all of that still cannot erase what it purpetrated for so many centuries by brutally eliminating anyone who resisted or questioned its authority.
The reason for my conclusion that the Bible evolved or altered through time is simple. Gospel or Torah for example were originally God's word. And I believe that God's word is never inconsistant or contradictory to His Godhood. If we through examination find them (OT and NT) to be inconsistant or contradictory is not because God is so, rather that in human hands it has been altered or evolved. Simple as that.
So in order to prove this, we need to pick any major issue first and see if that is the case. We have so far seen that there are several issues that show us that it did infact evolved or been altered. Issue of God for example is one of such. The Bible as a whole is inconsistent about God, who is He, and His abilities.
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Jack Catholic
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Dear semar,
You example of data that was missing from the Holy Bible until it was added later (evidence of evolving and then tampering with the Holy Bible) is calling Jesus the Son of God. I'm printing verses that show both that indeed the gospel writers did include the most important information first, and that your assertion is not a valid argument).
You said, "...it's too worthy "Jesus son of God" to be missed from the gospel for that long. It's a super magical word that will move anybody heart right away. It's a clear indication that's just a fabricated story that added to the bible."
Here are the verses that show that this bit of data was both included in the beginning of the Gospels, and that it was present in all four gospels regardless of when each was written.
Matthew 16:16 Matthew 27:54 Mark 1:1 Mark 1:11 Mark 5:7 Luke 1:32 Luke 1:35 John 1:49 John 5:18 There you have it. Still no clear evidence has been provided prooving that the Holy Bible's content evolved over time. Do you have any other evidence? God Bless you, Jack Catholic |
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Jack Catholic
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Dear Honeto,
I assure you that Catholics DO NOT worship immages. Allah in the Torah also does not forbid the making of images accept for the purpose of worshiping them instead of Himself.
What has the history of the Catholic Church got to do with whether or not the Holy Bible evolved as a document?
About inconsistancy between the New Testament and the Torah, I was presenting the Muslim assertion that the New Testament evolved over time and that this was the evidence that the News Testament was not fully the Word of God. In order to prove your case you would have to show what in the New Testament was consistant with the Torah, and how in the earlier writings of the New Testament there was consistancey, but in later writings of the New Testament on the same topic the inconsistancy/change is clear. What do you think?
God Bless you,
Jack Catholic
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