Serious Question

Chrysalis,

Yes there are slaves in the world, it comes in different forms. Check this out:
http://www.freetheslaves.net/Page.aspx?pid=375

I have read alot on the subject and it is truly, truly sad. Is it "officially" sanctioned by any govt? No. But over 27 million people are enslaved.

Another thing...

why are critics of islam so violently oppressed. Why cant muslims discuss things.

I watched this clip on a lady called Wafa Sultan... and the cleric debating with her acted like such a moron... you could tell he had never had an actual debate before... and then I found at that she has to live in hiding because of this st**id thing. How can islam ever grow with the world if anyone who holds different than the majority of people end up being threatened with violence. This clip lead to a bunch of other research.. and to be honest it makes me feel that islam cannot be true. I agree with the tenet of worshiping one God, but if something in the religion makes large masses of people uneducated and violent against opposing view points... thats just not a plus. Look at the jews.. they don't kill people every time they disagree with them... in fact no one is a bigger critic of jews than jews... I just don't get this. I really was feeling islam could be true but if converting to islam makes you like that then I don't see why God would want that from me.

drdoug wrote: Hello Islamicity, I have been off and on interested with islam for many years now. The thing that is intellectually refreshing about Islam is that its absolutely monotheistic... in every possible way. The trinity is hard to swallow, it could be true.. I mean God is God and can do what he wants... but I do admit that it is something I don't know if I believe. I almost admire religious devotion amongst muslims. They and the LDS are the only ones who take their religion seriously. I have some serious questions about islam. I don't intend these questions with any disrespect, but to be honest I have heard some bad things and would appreciate them answered. It is not the theology of islam that I have a problem with, its the morality (or so it appears). In the same way, its not the morality of christianity I oppose, its its theology. Perhaps you can help me with one/any of these 1. Why did Muhammad get to have so many wives, when his followers only got 4? I have heard that God told Muhammad to get at least one of his wives and she was originally married to another man... any truth to it? I think others have given enough background about this...All I can add is  Mhmd (saw) was a uniquely exceptional man who was just not in demand by his male companions only but also by women too who wanted him and only lawful way for them was to be a wife...who later  on became the helpers in teaching other women folks the fundamental practices of the religion... How else the rules in running an Islamic household in contrast to pagan's would be known? They were his equal partners in suffering the pangs of hunger and vows of poverty while sex may be the only matter on your mind this late on the time line!  The other woman Zainab(r) wanted to marry Mhmd(s) in the first place but thing took a detour and also became a no adoption but foster only case law...  2. I heard that there was some female poet who was insulting Muhammad and Muhammad had one of his followers kill he... is this true? You don't need to be vague; Yes It was Asma who had said in her lyrics "Is there no man of pride who would attack him(Mhmd.sa) by surprise ...And cut off the hopes of those who expect aught from him" i.e., assassination instead of a battle...She got what she asked for that helped her tribe see the light and power of the truth and became Muslims!   3. What is the deal with all of the violence amongst muslims.. i dont mean against the US or Israel, but I mean the violence against each other.       It is common place for muslims to bomb each other. You should know being a Dr of whatever it is divide and rule colonial / neo colonial paradigm, the Muslims in bondage are reacting in haphazard way...I am surprised at this question! Can you list the chronology of the bombing that you are talking about? Then we can get to some conclusion...Have you seen the destruction in Greece? If Iraq or Afpak is on your mind; My question would be who invaded who and who pushed it? Please do not confuse Islam with the situation the Muslim people are in... bondage in one sort or the other! You must know the Muslim world was divided up post WW I * II into dozens of western vassal states to exploit their resources as needed basis or you are feigning being simple! Bombing each other reminds me of some great wars like WWI & II who were the belligerents in those? 4. What about monotheistic non muslim religions, such as judaism and sikhism. They also only believe in one God, so why not them? I know for a fact that they are both expressly monotheistic... Gurus are not considered Gods and jews are absolutely monotheistic. You don't want me to dissect hybrid (Sikhism=Islamic Sufism +some Hinduism) or the derivative(Judaism) religions? Humanistic Judaism is non theistic... BTW India and its neighbor Persia's soils have been quite fertile in producing the hybrids As for Muslim belief is concerned the true religion for the Israelite was Abrahamic creed...submission to one God's worship i.e.,Islam and new set of laws after coming out of Pharaoh's slavery ...and broad casting that message worldwide...Rather the Israelite selfishly turned this into an ethnocentric elite class; monotheism was not always followed in practice and that gave rise to trinitarianism! Moses brought no Judaism and my next door neighbor is no God worshiping Jew...his god is mammon! So is the God of Wall Street! When they wake up in the morning they say they are so glad that were not made a gentile! 5. How can Islam preach "no compulsion in religion" when non muslims are taxed? When converting out of islam is a capital offence? And when in many muslim countries evangelism of non muslim religions is a crime. Let's not be facetious, who would mind to stay out of military draft by paying some tax?  I would ask your domicile before further discussion on the tax matters! I have no problems with people who are not practicing Muslims to declare that they are out! They are just a weak link in the rope... It would be capital crime when a person was acting treacherously and spying for the enemy that is not too difficult to understand agents do get executed, don't they? The European colonial occupiers of Muslim lands  tried everything in their power through their clergy to evangelize their subjects but without much success... They had to leave huge empty cathedrals behind! I thought you had some straight forward questions; these quibble are not worth my time!  I am sorry one of the famous evangelists Franklin Graham was dis-invited from the Pentagon's prayer meet cuz of their typical bad mouthing the prophet and Islam on regular basis... Again, I know all of these questions are harsh... but they are legitimate questions. If I appear ignorant or ask something st**id.. I apologize. Thanks, Doug

I was asked to help edify few misunderstandings posed in your quandaries about Islam and it's Prophet (saw).


Edited by Sign*Reader - 12 May 2010 at 6:55pm

Thanks for answering.

I am not a troll. I watched her video. I dont agree with all she said, it sounded like one sided, people do the same rants against other stuff (vegetarians, fundy christians, etc) but what bothers me and what bothers me more the more I researched it is that people who actively disagree with islam get a bounty on their heads. Like this recent south park episode that caused fatwas and death threats. That van gogh guy was killed because of art.

I find your opinions of the jews extraordinarily revealing. I didn't realize they all worshiped money, especially my old roommate who takes one month out of the year doing drs without borders. Jews are like anyone else, some are good and some are bad.

I am trying to find a religion. I wasn't really raised with one, and I want my kids to have one.

I find it obvious that my questions are not appreciated. I apologize for wasting your time. I wont post on this forum again.

I don't know if islam is true or not. Thats for God to decide. However, I do know that conversion to islam appears to cause me to have to act against my conscience in some ways. I dont think God wants me to act against my conscience, so if I choose not to become muslim for those reasons I can stand before him and he will understand.
I do think that Islamic civilization has the potential to be great, but I find muslims I talk to to be very reactionary about certain things. Do you really think that all muslim countries have problems because of the west? Thats just mindless rhetoric that gets you nowhere fast. Its easy to make excuses, its harder to rebuild your society after defeat. I hope islamic society does rebuild. I hope it flourishes the way it used to, but I think it will have to become open minded again.    

Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer me.

Sincerely,
Dr. Doug

Edited by Nausheen - 12 May 2010 at 5:49pm