When a child screams in Baghdad, will anybody hear?
The death of seven astronauts is a catastrophe, an event to be pored over and grieved. But the death of thousands of Afghans, and the future deaths of possibly hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, is barely noticed in the West, and is hardly considered a catastrophe. Instead, it's just one of those largely invisible tragedies, like death from starvation or from preventable disease that carry off numberless people every day, in out of the way Third World places we don't worry about, because we don't notice them or because we don't see them, or maybe can't notice them and can't see them.
We call these tragedies "regrettable," because that's what you're supposed to call them, but we don't really feel much regret, except maybe in a kind of intellectual way, as if we're saying, "Well, it's not the kind of thing I'd wish upon my enemy, but what happens, happens, and there's no point in obsessing about it."
The death of seven astronauts, which must have been terrifying and violent, or the deaths of 3,000 people on Sept. 11, cruel, brutal, and horrible -- that hits home, for those people are more like us than the dark skin people are, who dress in strange ways, and speak a language we can't understand, and live in a country headed by a man who, we're told, is evil, and wishes us harm.
These people are not Americans, not Canadians, not Westerners, not Christians, not Jews, which may be why their deaths are barely noticed, and are called "regrettable" rather than "intolerable" or "criminal." But what would you call the killing of tens of thousands of people, dismembered, blown apart, incinerated, ex-sanguinated, starved (as is very likely to happen in Iraq) if this was engineered by a country that had launched an attack on the basis of a doctrine of pre-emptive war that owed much to the Nazis?
And so it is that everywhere we look -- in newspapers, on television -- the deaths of seven astronauts count for infinitely more than the impending deaths of seven thousand, or seven hundred thousand, who may be human, but who, in the universe of concentric circles which define how close any other person is to ourselves, occupy the farthest rings, the Plutos in our own personal solar systems.
To say you are not an American, not a Jew, not a Christian, that you're a person who measures his kinship with others on the basis of shared humanity, not shared language or shared religion or the shared accident of being born in the same country -- that is considered naively idealistic. Are the concentric circles not fixed, not a cross-cultural universal and therefore inevitable and, as conservative would contend, desirable?
I once told a friend who I thought would understand that I think of myself not as a member of any one country, or any one ethnic or cultural group, or religion. I am, rather, a member of the human race first. And maybe, being an atheist, with a jumbled genetic heritage and a distrust of patriotism, the concentric rings have always been fewer for me. But to expect understanding when others find themselves at the centre of a rich complex of circles which stretches out in the distance, as humans almost always have, is perhaps, to expect too much.
"What is patriotism," asked George Bernard Shaw, "but the conviction that your country is superior to all others because you were born in it?" Among Americans who reject pro-American patriotism there are still shockingly many of them who embrace someone else's patriotism -- the patriotism of the Serbs, or of Palestinians, for example -- as if patriotism, some kind of patriotism, must always be clung to, like a security blanket. To them it's important to hive off some small part of humanity with which they can identify; in their case, whoever the victims of the pro-American patriots are. And so they're like the others, the difference being their orientation: to the losers, not the winners.
"We" are Winners?
Flipping through TV channels I stumbled across an interview with a man, an American, who had written a defense of US foreign policy. "They say we're stupid, we're short-sighted, we're bumblers," he complained, bitter about the way Washington is regarded outside of America and 10 Downing Street. "Well, if we're so stupid, so short-sighted, so bumbling, why is it that we keep winning?" This summed up the two defining characteristics of American foreign policy. First, the idea that America's relations with other countries is a collective enterprise in which all Americans participate ("we" keep winning) rather than one planned by a tiny minority for the benefit of the same tiny minority. And two, the idea that foreign policy is a game (of conquest and control) whose object is to win.
I feel more acutely the death of a fellow Jew than anyone else, a Jew confesses. Another person, a non-Jew, who deplores the injustices Israel has visited upon Palestinians, feels more acutely the deaths of Palestinians than the deaths of Israeli Jews. Americans, for their part, feel more acutely the deaths of fellow Americans, something the Pentagon duly notes, and plans wars around. American soldiers are kept as far removed from danger as possible while foreign cities and towns -- and the non-Americans in them -- are laid waste by explosives launched from 30,000 feet above the ground and from warships steaming thousands of miles away, the launch buttons pushed by men and women celebrated as "heroes" who "put their lives of the line" to "protect Americans." They are not heroes, they don't put their lives on the line, and they're not protecting Americans. They're killing foreigners who pose no real threat to Americans. They're doing what America's soldiers have almost always done: killed in the service of aggrandizing the power and profits of an elite whose personal interests are called "American" interests.
And so there are gradations of human beings, gradations of suffering that matter. Gradations of catastrophe, too, that can thrust the deaths of seven to the fore, and sweep the impending deaths of hundreds of thousands to the shadows. That, to those who plan wars, and gull others to go along or acquiesce, is well and good.
There is a quotation from Herman Goering.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war. "Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some simple person on a farm or in a city want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his home in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."
These comments, from Gustave Gilbert's Nuremberg Diary, are based on a conversation Gilbert had with Goering while the latter was on trial at Nuremberg.
Gilbert told Goering that he didn't quite agree. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."
"Oh, that is all well and good," the old Nazi replied, "but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
It works even better when there are gradations of humans: Germans versus Jews, Americans versus Iraqis.
Civilian Casualties Doesn't Mean Us
"Would you not go to war," he asked, "simply because war inevitably produces civilian causalities?" He was an American, for whom civilian causalities always means poor people, in some far off land, never Americans, in places like Biloxi or Rhode Island. War for him was an abstraction, and more than that, a foreign abstraction, not blood, not viscera strewn across a kitchen floor, not kids screaming in terror, not the charred remains of children littering a street, not brains blown out.
All of these horrors he knew happened in war, but he preferred not to think about them, and he didn't really have to think about them, because the wars his government was so ready to inflict upon others and that he was so ready to support as his patriotic duty were not wars that would leave his 10 year old son a paraplegic, would not leave his aged mother crushed under the beam of a bombed out building, and would not leave him whimpering in terror, huddled in some dank corner of his basement, in the dark, as bombs exploded outside, the noise deafening. Those fates would be visited upon other people, not him, not his neighbors, not his friends, not his family. He could afford to be cavalier about civilian casualties.
What's more, the media -- that active reconstruction of the world, molded to suit the purposes of those who control it -- would never let the reality of what his government was doing overseas intrude on his enjoyment of Survivor, or a trip to the mall, or the certainty that his country was engaged in a moral mission of liberation, or was it a struggle against terrorism, or a battle to restore the legitimacy of the UN? The names for his country's acts of aggression seemed to change every day.
He would never have to see the bits of crushed bone, the smashed skulls, the entrails oozing from bellies. We don't need to see that, say Washington's grandees and America's network executives. All we need to see, all we need to remember, are 3,000 killed on Sept. 11; think about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction (oh yes, he has them, because we say he does); think about his resolve to harm Americans (oh yes, he intends to harm Americans, because he hates our freedom and democracy and because he's evil.) "All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked... It works the same way in any country."
There is another quote, though not from Goering.
"Why, of course, people think of themselves as Germans or Christians, Jews or Americans, and believe the group they belong to is better or more moral or more worthy than other groups. And that serves well the purposes of those who plan wars and lead conquests.
It's equally true that people feel the suffering of those who belong to their own group most acutely. Not out of racism entirely, though there's some of that. But there's another reason, too. It's that they're sheltered from the suffering of others, by design, for in seeing the grief and pain of other people one sees what makes them like us. Americans won't see the immense suffering their government will inflict on others, as they haven't seen the immense suffering it has already inflicted. That's bad politics, and it's bad for war, it's bad for oil, it's bad for profits."
There's nothing that makes Americans struggle with their support for their government's wars of conquest more than seeing what those wars do to other people, who, for all their differences in religion and language and culture, are just like them. They too grieve the deaths of loved ones, even if you don't see it.
Source: PoetsforPeace.net
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article "When a child screams in Baghdad, will anybody hear?"
read an excerpt of ur article.. thought it was very intersting..agreed with ur point of views and ur angle of arguement certainly was different but also made a lot of sense..like it shud be read out in public and people would definitely take notice..
but everybody will close their eyes not to see. Block their ears not to hear and close their mouth not to speak.
What a shame ????????
No matter what peole say about ustaz osama bin laden i still believe he is a true mujahideen and May the AlmigthyAllah protect him from calamity and hardship through out his life.
I believe most Arab leaders do not believe in the holly Quran.And that is the problems of the muslims arround the world.
I always care because i believe that muslims all over the world are brothers and as long as i live i shall continue to pray for them and next thing i shall do i in my mind.
Massalam.
Who preaches: Innocent until proven Guilty
Evil One. Unfortunately the American public does not know the real American foreign policy. How can the real picture to presented, media being in the control of vested interests...Jews!
saddam might be the dictator or a bad person. if so the people of iraq should be remove him, not other country. but i think he is not a crowd.
bush and blair are so fool and crowd that they are gathering / inviting the people of two continent (europe and america) against a person. it's not imaginable how much more funny and foolish job is it!
they are so greedy for oil. the both leader are extremely malicious of muslim world.
because we are all blind to the reality.
Have the Americans not learned anything from history??
The big question here is this; Do we trust the USA to truly do this and free the Iraqi people? Or will we see Saddam escape by the skin of his teeth, after the USA and her allies have killed thousands of innocents with their own weapons-of mass-destructions? The US tract record speaks for itself in this matter. 12 years of debilitating sanctions which has managed to ravage the most fertile land in the Middle-East, leaving half a million dead, countless more on the verge of suffering and despair, while the mad man has just continued building his palaces. If the US and her allies are so smart with all their intelligence and all their resources why can't they find some other ways. Lay seige to a country(as the sanctions really are) or wage total obliterating war seems to be the only tricks in their bags. Despite such advancement in their civilization(and in human civilization) why is it, that it returns to the ways of civilizations past?
He wants oil & put all over the world under his foot. He doesnt wants peace, he wants blood & people's sufferings.
He is thinking no one can come &destroy the US, but Allah wants ,less than fraction of secs is enough to disarms Bush & its co-ordinators.
Anyway, whatever it happen, we have next world (hereafter) which is more beutiful than this stupid world.
Source: http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/030214/2003021405.html
Iraqis in exile oppose the war
Iraqis in exile have expressed rejection to any war against Iraq and called for the establishment of a democratic regime by peaceful means. This was expressed during the general annual meeting for the Iraqi National Alliance at the end of last week in Paris.
In a document, the Iraqi National Alliance condemned "the American individualistic attitude," stressing that it "still considers that this continued aggressive war which threatened Iraq's independence is but a reflection to the American hegemony policy aiming at destroying the national will and controlling Iraq's resources and the resources of the Arab nation." One of the organizers of this meeting which was held last Sunday, Touma Subhi, the chairman of the French committee against the war, said that "we are working to establish a democratic trend in Iraq by embarking on peaceful means, and these include having negotiations with the ruling party." He added that some 200 Iraqi delegates took part in the meeting which lasted Saturday and Sunday in a hotel in Paris, as well as figures from Arab and European countries.
However, a delegation representing the Iraqi National Alliance which includes 6 political formations and is led by Abdul Jabbar al-Kubeisi in November 2002 paid an unprecedented visit to Baghdad during which he stressed that Iraq is preparing to adopt a new constitution permitting party pluralism.
Matt
Seems like you don't know the map of the middle east.the freedom that you are bragging about is what the palestenians are fighting for,but Israel is trying to crush them and bury their just cause with the help of American admin as well as your tax money and weapons made in the USA .(about 1600 billions $ since 1973).
No my freind you have no idea what freedom is all about.if you don't want freedom for the poeple you despise then you don't know it.PERIOD.
and I think you were right when you said it selfish to not offer this gift to all humanity.
Well I wish to say that if one complains that the CNN is baised when it reports on Muslims,the Muslims too are biased when they complain of all the ill treatment that is accorded to them by the so called wicked Westerners.How come this bulletin does not talk about the sufferings of the Afgans in the hands of the Taliban or the Kurds in the hands of Saddam.Only when a non-muslim were to hurt us muslims do we complain and also want to jihad our cause.I will end my comments here although I am allowed up to 2000 characters as I believe the time spent writing will be better used to improve myself by doing other benificial stuff.Don't get me wrong but I think the Muslims are the biggest problem Islam is and will ever face and for heavens sake pls learn to love a human life while learning to love a religion as if you have no breath in you there is no following for a religion.You do not kill Islam or Christianity if all of mankind are killed,you only killed someones father,mother,daughter,son,grandson,granddaughter and hope for the future.So learn to love thy kind before expecting to have others love your kind.
Regards & Wassalam.
Muhammad Khaleel
Sept 11 was a unfair wakeup call for America. They do know (thru their chat shows and psychology and slavetrade) that poeple can only tolerate so much before they take actions to be treated equal. They considered themselves a superpower who ignored the plight and suffering of the rest of the world as long as home life is happy and econony is booming. They are technologically very advanced like other parts of the world but don't "give a shit about "using" what they call the third world.
Our own human nature and first instinct leaded us to greed. We all want the to be rich and have sufficient food. We all want our children well fed and clothed. But once we've got enough or even more than enough why don't we help others. Charity is a virtue. America is a great place to live - abundant food, clothing, good warm housing, clean water, cheap fuel, freedom to practice religion, good working environment, jobs, sports, friendly Americans. Does America really want to kill Iraqi civilians? After all they created Hussain. They used him to silent Iran. They used Afganistan to disband the Soviet Union through financing OBL. Power, if abused is the root of all evil. People who are placed in position of power have a moral responsibility to work in favour of the human race.
I guess to a .. like you, racial profiling, religious bigotry, physical attacks on Muslim woman are acceptable. Not to mention the criminalization of dissent.
What we need to do "map" is speak out MORE against injustice whether here or anywhere else...not a tenet of your false christianity...but it will be done, and if you dont like it...take your own advice..get lost with your tail between your legs.
It comforts me to see that so many Americans are now taking up the opinion that we are a democracy because we are America and not simply because we have a right to criticize, meld, and attempt to change our governments poicies.
I'm so glad I now realize that democracy is really about nationalism and loving the name of your country and not the principles that it is supposed to be founded on.
Just a thought from one defnding your freedom,
you closed minded fool
And Abdur Razzaq
well said
Do you realize Saddam is placing human shields, children in schools, on front lines just as he did in 1991 to cause more death of his own people? How can Nazi Germany be compared with American leadership? Nazis made war against races of people, or religions, much more like militant Muslims. When U.S. goes to war against Iraq, they will make war against the tyrant and his regime. They will do everything possible to limit civilian death and free, feed, and help the people of Iraq.
The U.S.A. has bought freedom with the ultimate price of its own people. The people of our land know freedom. You have the liberty to preach any view you wish, even hate if you wish openly in public within the bounds of the law. These poor humans under tyranny are not well fed. Their rights are limited. We as Americans, and more importantly as HUMANS, must not gloat and be so pridefully boasting in our priveledge of freedom. Instead Americans must show love for the rest of humanity and be willing to make sacrifices, even the ultimate sacrifice of life, to help people realize the glory of freedom.
I think it selfish to not offer this gift to all humanity.
Help me understand your thought better.
In fellow care for humanity,
Matt
Unfortunately the people of Iraq have no choice. They didn't choose Saddam yet Saddam chooses them as cannon fodder. He has squandered resources on palaces that he could have used to educate and uplift his people. How many bowls o rice, how may books, how many hospitals could one palace have purchased? He has murdered rivals and thousands opponents (including their women and children). He has done that with some of the very weapons that inspectors are looking for now. He has defied U.N. resolutions for more than ten years. He maintains relations with cowardly terrorist organizations that continue to murder innocent civilians (including children) around the world. When he provides terrorists with money and weapons, he is also guilty of murder.
It is very offensive to even bring up Nazi Germany in this editorial. No, the United States is in no way acting Nazi-like. Yes we feel deep sadness over the inevitable loss of innocent life. I hope not one is lost. Saddam Hussein is the only one who has the means to make that happen.
Unfortunately, when you are dealing with a madman (unreasonable opponent), you are forced to do things you may not want to do - but must for your own safety.
Added side note - please stop calling United States Citizens, Americans. There are are many other Americans. Canada and Mexico are in North America, many others in South America. Some of my latino friends have expressed offense; that they should also be considerd Americans.
I was born and raised in the US and converted to Islam 6 years ago. I achieved a masters degree in Organic chemistry here because although the primary education is lacking in this country, the institutions of higher education here, especially science, are the most proficient (probably because the US has the money to spend on resources and technology, and recruit the best talent from around the world). Now I plan on using my God given abilities to assist humanity, and specifically Muslims. To do so, the best place to start is with the Muslims here in America, because I believe that the next generation of Muslim leaders will emerge from the the US, or Britain, or some other Western country. The best way the cultivate the minds of the young people and Muslims in specific is through hard work and education-that is why I am here. And I have already began to make plans to leave the US whenever the best situation arrives. To make it clear - I don't hate Americans because it would entail hating my entire family and the millions of Muslims that live here. I do not wish harm on anyone in this country, especially if it comes unjustly. The points I made in the last comment were to make people look at this global crisis introspectively. Would you rather all that money be going to you and your community, or the pockets of the oil tycoons which keep us all in economic enslavement? Think about it and again "map" keep coming to this website with an open mind and an open heart.
May Allah give us the best in Guidance and Health. Amin.
Second, for all the over zealous Americans sprouting up here. Think about this - Do you think that Bush or his cronies care about you personally? Why is his domestic policy a piece of crap? Why is the economy faltering dismally? Why is the unemployment rate rising rapidly? Why is medical treatment for the old and young alike being refused? Why are our forested lands being reduced? Why is crime inceasing while aid to our law enforcement agencies decreasing? Why are we failing the war on drugs? Why are our school systems, especially in the cities, broke and almost completely inept? Why do we have so many corporate scandals? etc. etc. etc. But instead of addressing these problems he sells us on a war with a country that does not threaten the US one bit. We gives billions of dollars in aid to Israel and other countries, thereby increasing the budget deficit. So we all should wake up.
dear sir i just wanna say that why you people
are only promoting these things to the muslim or only those site which belongs to muslims.As a matter of fact we muslims are veary weak in communication and we uptill in 21 century don't have any channal or communication way to communicate the true ISLAM not only to muslim but also to the world. They are using media as the most improtant and effective weapon against muslim.
As you are promoting these things on this site you should promot these things to the site and channals of western comunity.
one more thing i wanna say on this plate forum that we should counter the wrong propeganda by facts and figure not by immotional way.
All human being are same in front of GOD.
If there is any discrimination, God will punish them.
Those country areas suffering with such type of discriminations from other country areas must unite and must be strong to face such chellanges.
Keep in mind " Union is Strength"
Do your best and leave on Allah for the rest.
Islam is for all human beings not for one or two nations.........Islam is a universal religion.
God help those who help themselves.
No body is greater than ALLAH ALMIGHTY
ALLAH-O-AKBER
Thanks & Regards
Syed
Jazaakallahu Khair, As Salaamu Alaikum
178Q. O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.
179Q. In the Law of Equality there is (saving of) Life to you, o ye men of understanding; that ye may restrain yourselves.
Muslims are needed to unite all over the world to point there gun to crusaders. It is my hope that all those who are still speeping they will wake up before Allah's angry.
"on the surface the US does help many countries and by assisting in the economical and technological advancement of the almost the entire world, many countries are indebted to this country.
A merchant DOES NOT help, a merchant SELLS, everything is about sale, sale, sale. NOT HELP.
No one is indebted to salesmen for they in the trade to make money and gain more power, period. Please think and Eid Mubarak.
YOu must forget what happened to Iran.. The only person who you will find hang in Baghdad will be the "chosen" leader after Saddam is removed. US try to do the same thing in Iran and you see what they have now... If you believe in Democaracy, US should leave the world alone and let the world start the revolution themselves.. by the way, soon we will see not just reason why we should removed Saddam, we will also see the real reason why BUSH want to go just Iraq.. Osama must be smilling right now.
2/3 of Iraq has been under the control of the US through the illegal "no fly zones" where civilians have been bombed for over 12 years by US and UK jets. Your entire post is nothing but criminal denial of your crimes in Iraq. In short Brandon you're a fraud whose version of history isnt beyond Kindergarden.
Finally, Uncle Sam you talk big trash. I grew up in the streets of Philadelphia and have seen people who are truly about violence and homicide. So I can tell who is truly a "tough guy". You fraud.
Is this write? Arrogance invokes GOD's wrath. Fear about this because it is severe.
And that he has chosen to devote resources toward developing smallpox and ricin weapons to smite their enemies rather than in manufacturing and distributing infidel medicines which would only prolong their suffering.
Oh how blessed they are to be led by such an attentive, compassionate, and hearing leader!!
attack iraq because of oil.Do'a and praise for our ummah .The best things we look throught historical of prophet done to bani Isreal.
attack iraq because of oil.Do'a and praise for our ummah .The best things we look throught historical of prophet done to bani Isreal.
But no matter what they do to us (muslims) the religion will one day become superior to all other religion on earth.
However I wish to appeal to my Muslim brothers ruling their country to do so with the fear of Allah. Their negligience of their duty to their subject is part of the thing that is causing all this crisis that we are now having.
May Allah help his servants.
Ma - salam,
Adeosun Taofeeq.
By your freind Jocke Nilsson
However I really wonder,will the western countries ever resort any other means than WAR for global domination.
"oh yeah,remember this is not for their betterment but for the for the children of the future,APPARNTLY THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CHILDREN OF IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HMMM...... REALLY MAKES YOU WONDER THEIR TRUE PURPOSE.
Peace
Only sick inhuman bastards like you could find humor and solace in the suffering of others, like the children of Iraq.
dealing with things and how wrong it is that the lives of
seven atronauts lost will raise more greif than the
deaths of possible hundreds or even thousands if a war
is to start in Iraq .
I hate all this, all this propaganda..... its makes me
soooo angry as i guess it does others too...... there can
be no good from this cowboy 'defeating' Saddam and
there is definately no good going to come from our own
John Howard following him blindly like some lost kitten.
Im sorry to say that i feel strongly in my heart that
Australia will pay dearly for Little Johnny's comments
and decisions in this matter.........
i feel so useless, just carry on with life and watch the all
fair and true news to see how the west will 'win' this
great battle against a great evil....... ..!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kindly,
Aishah
the death of million of people from the Moslem world (Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, tschetschenien, cashmere ... ...) is nothing value for the western countries . . they are only to the mineral resources of the arabs is interested in knowing . the leaders of the arabs have themselves sold to the Americans and europren to this one . the Americans are worth present everywhere in the arab world . they destroy our countries and kill our brothers for oil. moslem all around the world stand together. we must help our brothers with money and with our prayers.allah wiil protect us inschaa allah.
Assallam Alleikum
The author of this article should watch that film, and maybe he would be a little more enlightened. Having said this, I must add that I do not totally disagree with him, just that he is like the blind men and the elephant, partly right but wholly wrong. See the film for yourself and think.
Joe Mc Enulty
if you and me can't do any thing practical about the sufferings of our brothers and sisters as is obligatory in our Religion then we no right to even discuss it because we are also just ignoring their sufferings, what we do is read about them and have some pity on them and then we all forget it and move on by Allah we are all hypocrites we are not amongst the true believers and by Allah we will have to answer to Him for what we have done in this world!!!!!!!!
OK I am inhuman, savage and criminal ending up for six months in jail.
How about an individual(s) just because they are head of state the international law and U.N. charter provide them with all immunities and let them wipe out thousands of their own follow citizen using all methods of tortures and hi tech killing machines including chemical and biological weapons.
And the worst that these head of states after committing unimaginable crimes against humanity go to the Hague staying in 5 star hotels and enjoy highly respected status for trial in the World court of Justice. Example for this is Milosevic of Yugoslavia and next, if(a big if) Saddam go to The Hague.
The argument it is the law of Jungles that exactly what the USA and Saddam Hussein have done to the Iraqi people for the last 34 years.
The bottom line is we Iraqi have had enough from all blood suckers like Saddam and his clan, Americans, British, Zionist, German, French, Russian, Chinese, etc. etc.
Frankly I invite all Iraqi to be terrorist to take revenge for 34 years of suffering because only revenge satisfies what we have been through.
first of all,you need to learn how to speak politely.secondly, you need to learn spelling of your native tongue before you call us stupid.finally,If you are for this war,then GO ENLIST AND HAVE YOURSELF SHIPPED RIGHT WAY TO KOWEIT,OTHERWISE SHUT UP!!!
I would not be surprized if you come to this board and say America bless God.
feelings so well, so thoughtfully, and so
accurately. May God bless you.
The poet fails to recognize Mr. Hussein as the point of ORIGIN, as in CREATor of the crying children, terrified families and starving elderly as he builds HIS lush Palaces, where a recent returning visitor to Baghdad told me the unfortuante and pesky masses of Iraq are NOT invited. As Saddam threatens and tortures HIS OWN MUSLIM Societyis it a better choice to step aside , allowing him to crush his OWN POPULATION? He`s NOT STEPPING DOWN ,nor ASIDE!
If HE does it to HIS prople I guess it`s good or at least better than removing him.
How MANY of his people get the opportunity to post the criticism of his regime and live to tell about it?
Have YOU been there to ask? I have freiends who tell me of the BEAUTY, History, & Splendor of Baghdad. THEY ALSO tell of HOW much WORSE the populace AS A WHOLE, not an isolated clown placed in front of a television crew steered to him/her by PR goons from Saddam`s not so Secret Police, the people they knew & have known for over 15 years are more frightened NOW than ever of SH! Not the US.
I suppose it`s impossible to have any issue which does NOT generate it`s opposite view point. WE in the luxury and safety of the WEST can mouth off, can the average guy in Baghdad? Not even the select inner circle can do that.
You quote Goring, but you failed to mention what it took to put him & his colleagues out of power.
Would YOU knowingly leave this thug in power to do as he wishes ,undeterred because he, like Hitler, Goring, Tojo, Kaiser Wilhelm,etc hide behind the fiction of 'the people'. Have you thot about the masses , a MAJORITY, of trapped innocents, without guns, who loathe & dispise SH`s regime?
In a word or 2, war sucks! DUH!!
Yet so does repression, torture, intimidation,lies and forced conscription into a NON-All Volunteer military.
What do you recomment for the Iraqi people NOW..
Anne
Your country has become a big palestine,and many poeple like you will realize that when it's tooo late.
And then you could turn to idiots like Saddam for world leadership. You wouldn't be posting here if Saddam knew your home address. You'd find yourself hanging from a pole and I don't think you'd really enjoy that very much.
The US is not ignoring North Korea in this time of stress. They will not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, and that will be evident to everyone in the very near future. North Korea is part of the axis of evil. Why don't you ask the starving citizens of that country if they enjoy being under the throttle of "Leader for Life Kim".
And one final question. If oil had never been disocovered in the Middle East and sold primarily to Western Nations (the US) what lifestyle would they have today? Would anyone care to look back 50 years and realize very little would have changed? The sale of oil has dramatically changed the lifestyles of everyone in countries that have the ability to export large quantities of oil. When that stops what happens to these "civilizations"? Not all will collapse but another shift will occur in the politcal climates of the world.
If you want to see hypocrisy just look in the mirror!
RR
Secondly, though the American leaders do determine policy, don't forget (as most Americans who vote do not) that it is the American people who put them in Washington to make the policy. If Americans really were not behind the policies being established on "the hill", those politicians would no longer be in office. And, after all, the politicians are regularly running polls to obtain public opinion before anything becomes policy. If the polls say the Americans support the idea, it becomes policy. If the polls say the Americans don't support the idea, it doesn't become policy. And for the politicians that don't follow the polls; well, they lose their seats to their opponents in the next elections.
What I cannot come to understand is how we Muslims belliache about how the Jews have so much control here but we don't seem to get involved enough on our own to make any change. We should put our money and personal time where our mouth is and lobby government, get involved in politics, and begin to affect change instead of whining about it.
Islam the oppressed will win at last.
I will send it in. This article is excellent:
specific & develops clear pictures & thoughts.
Assalam u Alaikum,
I want to become permenant member of islamic bulloten please send me membership form.
I am 22year old i am hafiz ul qurran
I am student of BA (graduation)
Wassam,
i am extremely upset and annoyed that the US pokes its unwanted nose in every single affair that occures in the middle east. One thing theat determines the Us love of war and killing the islamic world is that South Korea has declared it's nuclear program and is going as far as wanting a war with America. Buuuuuuuuush ignores this and carries on trying to hit Iraq, which is a MUSLIM nation and wants top extend its global power and if the muslim nations don't unite US would succeed in its mission of total global domination
wassalaam
"Action and Reaction are equal and opposite"
American Enjoy it while it last
Thanks
Lawal
thanks
A patriotic American:
Bring it on Arabs, we got some for the rest of you too.
Thank you.
screams of the Iraqi children. This afternoon,
at a gathering of friends, each one of the
people said that they did not know ONE
person who was for the war. I do not think the
American people are really being heard but ,
rather lied for.For my husand and I , this war is
most definitely NOT in our name.I have written
letters,sent e-mails over and over to local
newspapers. I have called the White House,
and my senators and representatives.We
have signed numerous petitions.I do not think
that the government of the US as presently
constituted represents its citizens. Our country
is being lied to, and a virtual police state is in
the making. I did not support the Gulf War. I
did not support the abominations in
Guatamala and Nicaragua . War is never
excusable, but this is the most ugly one yet.
This should be a good example to people in America. They should protest agaist their leaders who love to go wars for any reason as long as it's not on American soil.America is powerful nation and very advance for that reason alone they should try their level to end all world conflicts in peaceful manner. People will listen and respect if something done in win win situation not by threat. I remembered, when I was very small American nation was much respected then. Well American Leaders be sincered in your actions. You are the only one knows whether you action is sincered. To Americans people I which they have leaders more tolerant and humans in their actions, so that they are not like animals that will fights for every thing they want. Even some animals try to find way to lived together. They worst than this animals.So it's up to American peoples to think and to act.
be united. Do not fight among ourselves.
Do not help the enemies of Islam especially governments of muslim countries for getting the dollars.please
The answer is "Devil wins the world". These people, who are terrorizing Muslims, killing them and stealing their resources, are given their share of rewards in this world. All their rewards will be exhausted in this world. When they die, they will take with them the blood of Muslims and their evil deeds. As Muslims are the victims of terror in this world, their (Muslim's) rewards are being saved for the hereafter. But Alas! the murderers of Muslims don't understand this.
We as Muslims need to be good in the eyes of God. May Allah (swt) make us from the Momineens. Ameen.
See the works of warrior of love, Andrina Lejon at http://www.oneloveandrina.com/homepage1.html
also in her new book War of Innocents
We cannot close our eyes and ears to the horrors of a pending war, we must stand up against this action and scream above the drums of war...PEACE, PEACE, PEACE call on the name of Allah most High, for all of humanity and the sake of our future generations and planet!!!
For the tears of mothers and children can become pearls in Jannah, then let my tears flow like the rain from above. NO WAR!!!!!!
the annoying part about the whole civilian casualty issue is this. between 300 countries in the world with secret inteligence who do we believe and why do we choose them?
All of them tell some lie for their purposes whether it be Sadam, George Bush, King Fauod. all say Some things true. The question is who to believe and when?
Will you believe Foxnews or CNN? Abu Dhabi? Al-Jazeera? All tell facts. The lies are not in the facts. The lies are in the commentary and the ammount of time focused on those facts. The lies are in those facts that were left out or only alluded to.
I watch CNN, Abu Dhabi, FoxNews and BBC. What is the difference?
if 600 Jews and 2000 Palestinians have died in almost 2.5 years Is that more important for news coverage than Chechneya? Is that more important than the continued rape the western COs now do in east Asia and Africa and South America, now with Arab Allies and money from Saudi Kuwait and UAE? These countries are all slave drivers together, giving money to the Indian, African, and Chinese governments to supress organized labor, kill disidents, and purposely keeping these places poor and uneducated, and therefore killing by hunger, and preventable disease every year by purposely keeping these places without money. I assure you more people die unneededly every year in these places than in the whole of the two Arab countries where the whole worlds attention is turned.
Israel/Palestine are a distraction by the elites of the two richest civilizations, the Arab and Western to steal from the rest of the planet.
How concerned Allah is, but we aren't for the civil war in Somalia, or in Afghanistan (yes there is still civil war there), or the opression by Pakistan on its people. How little attention is payed to slaughter of our brothers in the name of secularism by "muslims"in Algeria, Turkey, Syria, Egypt and Iraq. We have the gall to complain what America plans to do to Islam when we rape Islam ou
On the other hand, if when 9/11 occured, what would have happened to the sole man in a crowd of Arab's that didnt scream with joy, but rather said, "this is not a good thing, this is terrible. Those were innocent people, with maybe 5% of them connected to the government."
We as Americans have no clue what comunism, dictatorship is all about, so when i see people from other countries raising there fists at people in the US, i have to wonder if there sentiment is real, or just a face, put on to make government happy.
Or are they like me, not knowing if my government has been lying to me, not knowing if the press has been swayed in the interest of national security by our government.
I dont see anyway out of this war, as the fighting machine of my country has already spent to much $ on deployment, to turn back now, and catch all the hell from whoever is gonna throw it at them for wasting that money on deployment.
I dont hate the Arabs in general. I would love to see bin laden hang from nearest tree, but i dont hate every person that lives near him because of what he did. How many will be able to say that about me, after my government kills thousands of inocent people. Why the heck did Iraq have to attack Kuwait anyway? In my opiniun, this is what started it all. Im sure there were underlying things, but im not much of a politician, or a letter writer, hehe.
I wish every arab could read my letter, and understand that all americans do not want to go to war, but at same time, we love our country, and will follow orders should a draft come.
How come u mention no names in your letter? Are you censored? Do you fear retribution for your words? Thats why i like were i am. Im free to say as i like, so u know the truth is coming from my lips. Can Arabs sa
h It was not Bush alone who has murdered 25 thousand innocent Afghans,
h It was Musharraf who has deceived the Afghans and the whole Muslim world has kept quite while their fellow brothers and sisters were butchered;
h 1.5 millions Iraqis were murdered by the sorrounding Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Turkey and Jordan peacefully. These Muslim countries have refused to lift the sanctions from their Muslim and Human brothers. They let half a million Iraqi children murdered;
h Ten thousand Muslims were butchered in Gujrat, India, Chechnya is levelled, half a million Muslims wered murdered in Bosnia and 30 thousand Muslim women were brutally raped while the whole Muslim world looked the other way;
h A tiny Israel is insulting Muslim women and children every day, while the Muslim cowards are calling for American intervention;
h Even today, the surrounding Muslim nations have submitted to American pressure to let murder millions of Iraqis. About 3000 bombs and 800 missiles are ready go to Baghdad on the first two days alone. The whole Baghdad will be levelled. In bribery, they have exchanged their own security and new weapons;
h 20 thousand security personnel are imposed upon Hajis for any kind of protest. I mean, you cannot even protest; this is our Muslim world.
When our intelligent writers will use the pens to pinpoint the Muslims rulers. I wanted to see an article against Fahd, Mubarak or Mushrraf. Instead of shamefully blaming to the west, we Muslims have to blame ourselves. The porphet (pbuh) has clearly stated that the whole Muslim ummah is like a body, if one part get hurts, the whole body will be affected. I feel shame and insulted to call non-Muslims to save the lives of Muslims. If Muslims have no sensitivites pertaining to their own brothers and sisters, why should a non-Muslim be sensitive towards us? Shuj
Mr. Amin seems to be the most prolific writer on here that has some clue about world events.
And soon enough gmax will be on here with his name calling and the words he makes up.
In my view, even if preemptive war against Iraq could be considered justifiable, (which has not been really proven to half of all Americans), the followers of the one true God can not afford to be cavalier about the deaths of people. It distorts God's name which is merciful to those who don't even deserve it. Even God himself declares to one of the prophets that his wrath is unfortunate- a strange work.
Unfortunately, in this world without the loving rulership of a truly righteous and loving king (which God's revelation says will eventually occur), we cannot expect that people and nations, "Christian"-which the west is not- or Muslim or Jewish,will grow out of their selfishness.
That is unfortunate but true- also evident from God's revelation to us.
MAY GOD THE ALMIGHTY GUIDE ALL THE LEADERS OF THIS WORLD_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
hwo is the real enemy of islam, Bush,Sharon,Tony.B
and Beresconi Or faroa of egypt,Abu Lahab of Saud
-i arabia,pope of jordan and Yazid of bagdad and
the hindu of Pakistan
thank you
envoys en franais.merci!
A VERY WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE.
I HOPE THE MESSAGE REACHES MASS OF THE WESTERNERS WHO ARE KEPT IN DARKNESS BY THE WESTERN MEDIA AND THIS WILL BE AN EYE OPENER.
No leader will ever become the power that will rules the USA the people will not allow it.
We live by the will of God, not by the will of man.
The only reason that Americans did not rebel against the fighting in the 'Gulf' and 'Afghanistan' is simply because they (unlike 'Vietnam'), were not shown in peoples' living rooms on their televisions. And although, were are told that in Iraq, journalists will have more freedom, that is just a twisted lie.
America has been demonizing Muslim peoples for many years now, beginning with Iran and Libya. Americans are basically self-centered and are not really concerned out global issues unless they have to do with money ($). Which beings me to the latest avenue of protest - boycotting American, British and Jewish products and services. This can be very effective if it is done collectively. Also, the so-called
'war on terrorism' will, sooner than later, backrupt America into a depression.
At this point (in the game), I think, nothing short of American and other white-skinned people going to Iraq, putting themselves in harm's way, and this reality shown in our living rooms, is going to stop this catastrophe from happening.
God help us all. The U.S. of A. is "going to Hell in a Handbasket."
Thank you for asking.
Whitman and to EE Cummings....("My sweel old etc.
aunt..."Thank you for this provocative beautiful
insightful antiwar essay
What is going on right now w/ the so-called Iraqi threat
and the impending war is truly sad and immoral. Only
God can stop this now.
don't hear it too!!!
The mass media is an accomplice to the ongoing campaign by the government of the US to approximate the intelligence of the masses to nought and render them powerless. This article and others like it that seeks to bring home to the people the true nature and impact of the decision of this US administration, under the prodding of Sharon, to fight Israeli wars on perceived enemies of Israel, is not only humane & patriotic, it is the right thing to do.
Yes, there is terrorism, and it should be fought. And for muslims, this is a religious duty. It is now clear however, that Bush-Blair and their ilk the world over has managed to hijacked the legitimate war on terrorism for personal greed. Sharon happily aligns with them - not new, Israel was the biggest supplier of arms to their role model, Apartheid-South Africa - what is new, however is the way and manner in which this American leadership have become a virtual clone of Israel, while the British leadership have become the American sidekick. Israel is now the standard bearer of this Bush Administration.
That Sharon has committed crimes against humanity is a fact in the public domain. Bush and Blair now seeks to commit their own, to their personal peril. It is now clear that they no longer represent the American and British people in this, it is now for them very personal indeed. We all should help them both to help themselves.
such blanketed statements are ridiculous, I know almost no Americans who want this war and the ones who do don't want it because of oil except the rich Americans or the media and evangelicals who want it for Israel. You obviously know nothing about Americans or America, have you even met Americans before? You obviously don't care about anything outside the little bubble of false information you live in.
The American only think how many iraqis they can wipe out and how much oil they can have.
They prepare for wars and ready for final conflicts with the muslims...it is muslims problem if they are not ready !