Zionist: We Killed Jesus and We�re proud
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Topic: Zionist: We Killed Jesus and We�re proud
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Subject: Zionist: We Killed Jesus and We�re proud
Date Posted: 02 July 2007 at 3:32pm
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Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 04 July 2007 at 1:39am
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You should have posted that video with a warning please. Everybody cannot tolerate it... ------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer |
Posted By: sulooni
Date Posted: 10 October 2007 at 12:50pm
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NOBODY KILLED JESUS. HE ASCENDED TO THE HEAVENS...AND WILL RETURN WITH THE MAHDI (MAY ALLAH HASTEN HIS APPEARANCE) http://WWW.INSIGHT-INFO.COM/FORUM - WWW.INSIGHT-INFO.COM ------------- www.insight-info.com/forum/default |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 04 April 2008 at 6:07pm
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There were witnesses of the day to the contrary.
------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 5:44pm
Hi believer, and they contradicted their account. Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
believer wrote:Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 9:44am
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No that is not true, not one said that Jesus had not died physically on the cross and ressurect from the dead! All agreed on the fact of His death and ressurection!!------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 16 April 2008 at 4:01am
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Believer, you will have to bring forward your witnesses.
So were you there when constantine and his cronies rewrote the Scriptures and gave Jesus (pbuh) the "divine status" that was so common in the Roman pagan practices and beliefs? (third century common era council of nicea) and have you read Exodus 20, that states God is one God and you shall not bow to any other or make gods before him?
Jesus will return, and he and the Madhi (pbuh) will be the witnesses to the commencement of the Last Day, the Day of judgement.
Jesus indeed lives, but not as you think. ------------- "Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile. |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 2:30pm
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The Holy Scripture has never been rewritten- GOD protects His holy Scriptures. You should know this- doesn't it say it in the Quran?
All Christians believe that GOD is one.
The first four Gospels of the Bible are all true eye witness accounts.
http://www.creatingfutures.net/crucifixion.html - http://www.creatingfutures.net/crucifixion.html Writings from non-christian historians ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 10:49am
Constantine etc. did not rewrite the scriptures, they add some wrong ideas etc. which have been found and removed! See the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
True the church do follow pagan ideas that is because they do not understand or believe the scriptures they on such matters, but what they do does not alter the Bible in any way!
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Posted By: thomasd
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 8:30am
It's also because the original Christian missionaries to the Germanic and Celtic tribes made a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliand - huge effort to bridge the cultural gap and spread God's word. to do this, they repurposed many pagan festivals into Christian ones, the side effect of this being that various pagan traditions carried over into the celebration of Christian holidays, and then after Rome was sacked, the Irish became the missionaries and carried these traditions back into the rest of Europe. However to say that they rewrote scripture shows a lack of knowledge of European history. the Irish monks were some of the most meticulous scribes in history, and took immense pride in their work. Anyone who doubts this should spend some time reading about the Lindisfarne gospels. |
Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 3:09am
Believer, please understand that it was not the right occasion to say that Jesus was still alive. They would have broken his legs and killed him. Please try to think over it. Nobody could utter such a word.
Even after his getting up in the tomb and walking away on his two legs, nobody could say (openly) that Jesus was alive. It would have been a crime to say such thing and more trouble for Jesus and his followers.
Later when Jesus departed from the area, it was found best to say that he had gone up to the father. That was so that nobody would go looking for him. I hope I have not commented badly on the situation available at that place and time.
Please put yourself in that place and time and tell us "would you say that jesus was still alive?" when he appeared to be dead. ------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer |
Posted By: thomasd
Date Posted: 19 July 2008 at 1:13pm
the Romans stabbed him with a spear before taking him off the cross to ensure he was dead. Do you know anything about how crucifying someone works? it is not possible for a human to survive that for a day. they stick nails (think railroad spikes) through your wrists, and through both ankles together and let you just hang there. the full weight of your body pulls down and your ribs pull up towards your shoulders suffocating you. to alleviate the suffocation, you can pull yourself up on the nails on your wrists until they hurt too much or your shoulders are too tired to hold you up, at which point you get to sag back down and suffocate some more.
more than 500 witnesses attested to seeing him walking around in the weeks following his resurrection. Not only that, the curtain separating the holy of holies from the rest of the synagogue tore itself in half at the moment of his death, and an earthquake shook the ground. The 3 hour long darkness accompanying his death was attested to by non-Christian, non-Jewish writers as far away as Egypt, and there has been shown to have been no eclipse on that day. |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 22 July 2008 at 5:58pm
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http://www.secondexodus.com/html/articles/mygodmygodwhyhaveiforsakenyou.htm -
http://www.secondexodus.com/html/articles/mygodmygodwhyhaveiforsakenyou.htm Interesting way of thinking about the torn Temple curtain.
"And when I saw the Temple curtain torn, as a Jewish father tears his garment at the death of his son, I would have thought of our Father in heaven. Mishna Shekalim tells us that the curtain was �a handbreadth thick.� Our Father in heaven had torn His garment. At that moment I would have seen my own soul in the empty Holy of Holies, closed my eyes, and prayed, �My God, my God, why have I forsaken you?" ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 08 August 2008 at 4:57am
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Thomasd said:
the Romans stabbed him with a spear before taking him off the cross to ensure he was dead. Do you know anything about how crucifying someone works? it is not possible for a human to survive that for a day. they stick nails (think railroad spikes)
through your wrists, and through both ankles together and let you just hang there. the full weight of your body pulls down and your ribs pull up towards your shoulders suffocating you. to alleviate the suffocation, you can pull yourself up on the nails on your wrists until they hurt too much or your shoulders are too tired to hold you up, at which point you get to sag back down and suffocate some more. Dear thomasd, I know how painful it is to be on the cross. Remeber that Jesus was on the cross for not more than a few hours on Friday afternoon. His body was brought down wellbefor esunset because it was a big Sabath from the evening. The other two thieves bodies also were brought down.
Jesus was a good healthy young man of 33 years. The thieves were alive when brought down. So they broke their legs. Butthe legs of Jesus were not broken out of respect and because people said that he had suffered much and had died. No need to break the legs.
The senior soldier was understanding all things. Otherwise, being a Roman and non Jew, why would he say "Oh, He was a right man of God". Pilate had done all to protect Jesus as much as possible. The soldier (Centurian) belonged to Pilate.
Also, it i known that as another soldier pierced the body of Jesus, blood and water gushed out. Blood does not gush out from the body of a dead man. That also proves that Jesus was alive when brought down from the cross and his heart was beating feebly.
How happy were the special persons (Friends of Jesus) when they knew that he was alive ! They immediately took charge of his body and took away the body to a safe place underground, room like tomb and looke dafter him. There was no enemy there and no fear to do what they liked.
Joseph of Armithea ahd requested Pilate to hand over the body. Pilate was surprised. Pilate said, "Has he died so quickly?" It is all in the bible.
Then it is written in the bible that Jesus walked about carefully. He did not present himself (show himself) to any of the offcials or to the wicked generation whom Jesus had promised to show the miracle or he sign of the prophet Jonas. He only met his close friends and gave them the last bit of good news and guidance.
Please do not mind. It is mostly from the bible NT. The Quran says that the Jews could not kill Jesus any way. But it is a great miracle and the truth of the Quran that It says " The Jews and the christians will keep on believing that they killed Jesus (Quran 4:157).
The Jews believe that they killed Jesus on the cross. The christians also believe that Jesus was killed on the cross. So the Quran has told the truth. Proof is even today. That was related to the topic.
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Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 10 August 2008 at 12:34pm
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http://www.new-life.net/crucify2.htm - http://www.new-life.net/crucify2.htm To confirm that a victim was dead, the Romans inflicted a spear wound through the right side of the heart. When pierced, a sudden flow of blood and water came from Jesus' body . The medical significance of the blood and water has been a matter of debate. One theory states that Jesus died of a massive myocardial infarction, in which the heart ruptured (Bergsma) which may have resulted from His falling while carrying the cross (Ball). Another theory states that Jesus' heart was surrounded by fluid in the pericardium, which constricted the heart and caused death (Davis). The physical stresses of crucifixion may have produced a fatal cardiac arrhythmia (Johnson).
The stated order of "blood and water" may not necessarily indicate the order of appearance, but rather the relative prominence of each fluid. In this case, a spear through the right side of the heart would allow the pleural fluid (fluid built up in the lungs) to escape first, followed by a flow of blood from the wall of the right ventricle (Edwards). The important fact is that the medical evidence supports that Jesus did die a physical death. http://www.holy-trinity.org/feasts/benigsen-physicaldeath.html - http://www.holy-trinity.org/feasts/benigsen-physicaldeath.html
The Gospel tells us that blood and water came forth from the wound. The doctors tell us that the lance in all probability pierced our Lord's right lung and then His heart, and the water which came forth was fluid from the lungs and heart. The accumulation of this fluid is normal in cases of heart failure and extreme blood loss. The lance thrust alone would have been fatal. ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 10 August 2008 at 8:18pm
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Believer, do you believe that pearcing with a spear caused the death of Jesus. I ask because it is being mentioned again and again. I do not believe it to be so.
Please tell me if the spear had anything hand in causing the death of Jesus? Welcome. ------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer |
Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 15 August 2008 at 1:07am
You point out well that the church took on board Demonic pagan worship and rituals etc. and used them in worship of the god of the Bible of which the Bible says:-
1 Corinthians 10:20-22
... I say that the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want YOU to become sharers with the demons. 21 YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of "the table of Jehovah" and the table of demons. 22 Or "are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy"? We are not stronger than he is, are we?
and
Isaiah 5:20-21
Woe to those who are saying that good is bad and bad is good, those who are putting darkness for light and light for darkness, those who are putting bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe to those wise in their own eyes and discreet even in front of their own faces!
and
1 Timothy 4:1-2
However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, . . .
and
2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8-12
Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.
8 . . .Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one�s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
thus it becomes Devil Worship!
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Posted By: walk2liv
Date Posted: 15 August 2008 at 8:30pm
I think you've watched 'The Da Vinci Code' one too many times and took it as fact. <3 |
Posted By: walk2liv
Date Posted: 15 August 2008 at 8:31pm
As far as I know, Jesus was dead before he was pierced by the spear. They just wanted to be doubly sure |
Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 16 August 2008 at 7:59am
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If Jesus was dead then blood and water should not gush out from the body. A dead man's heart stops pumping the blood. There is no circulation of blood in the body. So by cutting or pearcing anywhere, the blood does not gush out.
But in the case of a man who is alive, it will happen like that. Just food for thought ! ------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 16 August 2008 at 7:22pm
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Yes that is how I understand it walk2liv. To fufill GOD's plan Jesus blood washed away our sins as it was shed.
It can when the heart is pierced. When a baby dies that might have a congenital anomaly, blood is collected from the heart using a needle and syringe. The blood flows freely into the syringe. Blood does not clot immediately after death.
Jesus could have suffered from internal bleeding, fluid collected in His lungs, the pierce went through His lung into His heart, etc.
------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: bingo
Date Posted: 26 October 2008 at 11:48am
| Are you saying that what is written in the scriptures is a lie? Do you have witnesses to substantiate this absurd claim? |