Another prediction comes true!
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Subject: Another prediction comes true!
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 6:18am
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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSBLA72275320070627 - http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSBLA72275320070627 Iran says backs Iraq gov't, U.S. trying to hurt tiesWed Jun 27, 2007 10:24AM EDT
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's supreme leader said his country backed the Iraqi government and accused the United States of seeking to undermine Tehran's ties with Baghdad, the Iranian student news agency ISNA reported. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's highest authority under its system of clerical rule, was speaking to visiting Iraqi President Jalal Talabani on Tuesday. Iran has said it is studying an Iraqi request to hold more talks with U.S. officials in Baghdad about Iraqi security after a first round of discussions in May that were the most high profile Iranian-U.S. meeting in almost three decades. Both sides described that meeting as positive but no date has been fixed for another session. "Those mainly behind the insecurity of Iraq and catastrophes (in Iraq) are the spy networks of America, the Zionist regime (Israel) and some countries who walk beside them," Khamenei was quoted as saying at the meeting with Talabani. "Americans are against the development of relations between Iran and Iraq and are trying to create some disorder in this relationship but one should stand against this (effort)." Washington accuses Iran of stoking violence in Iraq, a country with which Iran fought an eight-year war in the 1980s when Saddam Hussein was in power. Tehran dismisses the accusations and says U.S. forces are behind the instability. "The Islamic Republic of Iran seriously supports the current government of Iraq," Khamenei added. Talabani was also due to meet Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the head of Iraq's largest parliamentary bloc who is in Iran for medical treatment, Iranian media reported. |
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 6:45am
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Ok, so let's see what Khamenehi (Leader of Iran) is saying... Iran's supreme leader said his country backed the Iraqi government and accused the United States of seeking to undermine Tehran's ties with Baghdad, the Iranian student news agency ISNA reported. Hmmm... so what Khamenehi is saying is that the United States is trying to stop the alliance between Iran and the New Iraqi Government. In other words, he is trying to say that by helping and supporting the New Iraqi Government which the UNITED STATES CREATED AND IS SUPPORTING AND PROTECTING, Iran is somehow going against the wishes of the United States Government!!!! Not only that, he goes on to claim that the United States does NOT support the New Iraqi Government and that the Sunni resistance who are fighting against the puppet Government and the occupation are the agents of the USA and Israel!!!! "Those mainly behind the insecurity of Iraq and catastrophes (in Iraq) are the spy networks of America, the Zionist regime (Israel) and some countries who walk beside them," Khamenei was quoted as saying at the meeting with Talabani. If this is true (and you would have to be blind to believe it) then why is the New Iraqi Government praising the United States and even Israel? Why are they protected by US forces and why are they allied and fighting side by side with the United States against the Sunni resistance and why is the United States training the puppet Governments Military and Police force?
Khamenehi is actually saying that the guy on the right (Bush) is the enemy of the guy on the left (Jalal Talabani who was installed as "president of Iraq" and is protected to this day by US forces)
What is actually happening here is that the Iranian Government is trying to explain away their own hypocrisy by pretending as if by helping the US occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are actually working against the United States!!! They claim that the US wants the war to continue and that they dont want their own puppets to rule Iraq!! What's even more interesting is that at the same time, the United States is accusing Iran of helping the "terrorists" (resistance/insurgents) in Iraq...!!! So both sides are blaming eachother, but why??? The answer is, Iran wants to make it seem as if the Islamic Resistance in Iraq and Afghanistan are "fake" so that they can have an excuse to help the war against these Islamic groups while still pretending to be Islamic themselves! It's really funny because what Iran is actually implying is that: "the resistance in Iraq and Afghanistan are agents of America, so we must destroy these terrorists, and in order to do so we must help America!!!" Sounds crazy? Well Iran actually confessed that they helped the USA in Afghanistan and it's very clear that they are doing the same in Iraq, but when they are questioned about the reason they use a form of Double-think to explain their actions: America is Bad, the Sunni insurgents are their agents, so the Sunni insurgents are also bad, so we must help America fight the Sunni insurgents!! This pretty much is the "logic" they are using, which as I already stated, requires people to Double-think. And as I've already explained on my earlier posts, the reason why the USA is accusing Iran of helping the Iraqi Resistance is to make it seem as if Iran is helping the Muslims in order to make Iran popular among religious Muslims which was the whole purpose of the orchestrated Iranian revolution from the beginning. As for the thread title being Another prediction comes true, it is because I predicted this exactly 5 months ago: "But just incase the Sunni resistance continues to stand tall, they are going to have to stay content with a pro-American, yet "religious" Shiah Government (So long as Iran is allied to them, and so long as Iran is seen as a religious anti-American Government, the New Iraqi Government could also hope to be portrayed as anti-American one day. In other words they can later pretend to have sided with Iran rather than the USA, when in reality they have always been working with both Iran and the USA)." http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411&PN=1&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411& ;PN=1&TPN=1
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Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 8:53am
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All Hail the Mighty Sawtul, Great and All-Seeing Soothsayer, Who Never
Speaks A Lie, But Always Untangles and then Retangles The Most Simple Politics To Justify His Inexplicable Self-Hate (He Is Iranian). Why are you the only person apparently on earth who fails to see the Dark Lord Cheney's persistence in setting up Iran for an attack, possibly a 'limited nuclear' attack? Why are you apparently the only person on earth who fails to see that within the great MSM of America Iran has been succesfully portrayed as the greatest threat to world peace (whatever that is) in order to drum up support for 'wiping the Ahmadinejad regime off the map'? Why do you even bother starting up your perverse threads which you then maintain with subsequent posts (that's called 'spamming') and then judge yourself to have been GASP- RIGHT ALL ALONG !!!! You are so tiresome with your anti-Shia, anti-Iran rants which simply divert everybody's attention away from the pre-war buzz which is on- going in the US. Now, you tell me, because it really makes my brain ache trying to follow your psychotic dialogues, why on earth would America be preparing a military build-up in the Straights of Hormuz- Persian Gulf, bombing the crap out of Iraq and consistently making up little propaganda excersises blaming Iran for providing weapons to Iraqi 'resistance fighters' if all the while, behind the scenes they are slapping each other on the back and praising one another for having managed to keep hidden from the entire world, including many seriously talented investigative journalists, the fact that Iran and the US are secret allies ...? |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 9:32am
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My post was very clear and if you really think that Khamenehi is right you need to look carefully at what he is and has been saying all this time. According to "ayatollah" Ali Khamenehi, leader of Iran, these guys are agents of America and Israel:
And these attacks were carried out by "America's agents" against the American military! ??????!!??!!
And at the same time he and his brainwashed followers say that this guy and everyone else in Iraq who support the United States and are protected, funded and trained by America are INDEPENDENT and ISLAMIC and ON THE RIGHT PATH!!!
So according to the Iranian Government, anyone who fights against the American occupation and actually does something rather than just shout in the streets is "an agent of America". And anyone who does nothing, or actually Helps the American occupation is "independent" and "Islamic" and America and Israel are planning to destroy them using their "agents" ... meaning the ISLAMIC RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!! It is incredible that so many people (not just his followers) actually believe him. Please THINK! It's one thing to accuse the resistance in Iraq and Afghanistan of being fake... but the Iranian Government doesnt stop there. They first accuse the resistance of being agents of America, then they help America to fight against the resistance and when anyone complains they say "Hey it's ok, we're fighting against America's agents...!!!" They expect us to believe that the resistance are "agents of America", but at the same time the puppet Government of Karzai and "New Iraqi Govenrment" are INDEPENDENT AND ISLAMIC!!! These are just lies and excuses. The real agents of America and Israel are their puppets and those who are helping them. I've explained their plans in great dept on other threads: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411&PN=1&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411& ;PN=1&TPN=1 http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007&PN=10&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007& ;PN=10&TPN=1 http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8924&PN=2 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8924& ;PN=2 http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7785&PN=2&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7785& ;PN=2&TPN=1 |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 9:45am
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Just because I oppose the Iranian Government doesnt mean that I hate myself for being Iranian.
USA will wipe Iran off the map at the same time that Iran wipes Israel off the map... meaning NEVER! Why? Because Iran, Israel and USA are all on the same side.
Maybe because I was right, not just in this case but the Lebanon war too! (remember?) http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007& ;PN=10&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007& ; ;PN=10&TPN=1
I already explained that on my first post on this thread and on other threads in the past. Read the buttom of this page: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411&PN=1&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411& ;PN=1&TPN=1 |
Duende wrote:Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 8:15am
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Thank You Sawtul, for your nice little slide show. Unfortunately, you are
managing to utterly fail to persuade me that Iran is secretly allied with the US/UK. This is merely your own wish-fulfillment since it would suit your hyper-paranoid backasswards theories of Shia-US-Israeli cooperation. If you want to seriously contradict EVERYTHING you have to be at least as clever and journalistically professional and persuasive (providing proof not just your habitual: "See? I told you so" rhetoric) as those who are regularly reporting on your favourite theme. Here's a brief selection, just to wind you up: Iran helping to plan attacks in Iraq - US 27 Jun 2007 15:46:32 GMT Source: Reuters Congress Votes to Send Iran President Before U.N. Court WASHINGTON, D.C. (June 20, 2007) - Today the House of Representatives passed H. Con.Res.21, a resolution that pressures the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his alleged calls for the destruction of Israel The possibility of a US attack on Iran =================== Excerpts of presentation, Vancouver 9/11 Truth Conference By Prof. Peter Dale Scott 06/27/07 "backofthebook" -- - June 26, 2007 - - "I have been speaking in public for 60 years, but this is perhaps the most important topic I have ever spoken about." "I want to talk about the threat to world peace, and the possibility of a US attack, possibly a nuclear attack, on Iran." =================== Jun. 22, 2007 15:14 | Updated Jun. 22, 2007 16:01 Report: IAF preparing for Iran strike By JPOST.COM STAFF The �Oil Weapon� is Unleashed Against Iran Posted on Feb 13th, 2007 Gary Dorsch (Global Money Trends) submits: Crude oil has become a key weapon in the battle between Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE, aligned with the United States, against the mullahs of Iran. The Arab Oil kingdoms fear the emergence of a Tehran-led axis linking Iran, Iraqi Shiites, Syria, Lebanon�s Hezbollah, Palestinian Hamas in Gaza, and Islamic militants linked to al Qaeda trying to topple the Saudi royal family. Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May-June 2007, pages 12-13 ============== A brief report to show just how anti-muslim the US system is: Dr. Rafil A. Dhafir at Terre Haute Prison�s New Communications Management Unit By Katherine Hughes The Federal Correctional Institution at Terre Haute, Indiana (www.rawstory.com). AT PRECISELY 7 a.m. on Monday, Dec. 11, 2006, 17 federal prisoners across the country were taken out of their cells, held in isolation for two days, then bused to the Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) in Terre Haute, Indiana. Here the government quietly began implementing the first stages of a secret new program, the Communications Management Unit (CMU). A completely self-contained unit housing almost exclusively Arab and/or Muslim inmates, it eventually will hold approximately 85 prisoners. =========================== Hersh: "Hitting Iran is Bush and Cheney's Wet Dream" Posted by Guest Blogger on June 29, 2007 at 6:12 AM. This post, written by Amanda Terkel, originally appeared on Think Progress In February, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh wrote a piece in The New Yorker revealing that the Bush administration was setting its sights heavily on Iran, planning for a "possible bombing attack": Still, the Pentagon is continuing intensive planning for a possible bombing attack on Iran, a process that began last year, at the direction of the President. In recent months, the former intelligence official told me, a special planning group has been established in the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, charged with creating a contingency bombing plan for Iran that can be implemented, upon orders from the President, within twenty- four hours. =========================== www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/06/15/iran/index.html? source=rss On Tuesday, Hersh spoke more on the Bush administration's focus on Iran at the Campus Progress National Conference. He said that President Bush and Vice President Cheney are ignoring the actual intelligence on Iran. The "intelligence community keeps on saying, 'There's no bomb there.' And Cheney keeps on saying to the young briefing officers, 'Thank you son, I don't buy that.'" Hersh added, "George Bush's and Dick Cheney's wet dream is hitting Iran." And Joe Lieberman has yet another Op-Ed in The Wall St. Journal this morning proclaiming how Great Things are Going in Iraq, but warning that the True Threat comes from our Mortal Persian Enemy: Facts on the ground also compel us to recognize that Iran is doing everything in its power to drive us out of Iraq, including providing substantive support, training and sophisticated explosive devices to insurgents who are murdering American soldiers. Iran has initiated a deadly military confrontation with us, from bases in Iran, which we ignore at our peril, and at the peril of our allies throughout the Middle East. I really think that most people believe that a military strike on Iran, let alone an all-out war with that country, is simply unrealistic, that it cannot and will not happen. Certainly our political discussions are virtually devoid of any sense of urgency over the prospect of a military confrontation with Iran. But we are so clearly on that path. As Kaletsky points out, even "some even inside the Bush Administration" are plotting "how to prevent 'the crazies' from starting another war." But in each of these internal struggles, the easy victors have always been the assorted neoconservatives and warmongers, led by Dick Cheney, surrounding the President. They are clearly pining for a war with Iran. Republican presidential candidates this side of Ron Paul are already lining up in loyal support, because they have to. And it is very difficult to imagine what is going to stop the administration's "crazies" from prompting this new military confrontation (Congressional Democrats? A scrutinizing press? Public outcry?). ===================== Saturday June 16, 2007 08:05 EST The NYT on the administration's "debate" over whether to attack Iran It is, I believe, a positive development that The New York Times today has a front-page article documenting how active the debate is inside the Bush administration over whether to attack Iran. Perhaps the article will elevate the attention level paid to this very real and very dangerous possibility. The essence of the article is this: The debate has pitted Ms. Rice and her deputies, who appear to be winning so far, against the few remaining hawks inside the administration, especially those in Vice President Dick Cheney's office who, according to some people familiar with the discussions, are pressing for greater consideration of military strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. The narrative is identical, of course, to the pre-Iraq-war "debate" which the media so vocally dramatized, with Secretary Rice in the role of reluctant warrior formerly played by Colin Powell, and Dick Cheney reprising his role of unabashed warmonger. It is true that there have been some personnel changes since then (most notably, Robert Gates in the place of Donald Rumsfeld), but George W. Bush is still the Decider, and he has not exactly been ambiguous about his views on the proper resolution of such "debates." As he told a group of right-wing pundits in October 2006: "I've never been more convinced that the decisions I made are the right decisions." The NYT article tells the Iran story almost entirely from the administration's perspective. Although the article begins by referencing Iran's nuclear program, it includes this paragraph early on: Even beyond its nuclear program, Iran is emerging as an increasing source of trouble for the Bush administration by inflaming the insurgencies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and in Gaza, where it has provided military and financial support to the militant Islamic group Hamas, which now controls the Gaza Strip. Note that the numerous claims here are presented not as assertions, not as arguments, but as facts. And they are not even accompanied by the qualification that these were asserted by the article's anonymous "administration officials." |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 12:42pm
| I've already refuted these basic stuff on so many threads, you're just posting official propaganda. |
Posted By: usama
Date Posted: 01 July 2007 at 7:53am
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I have to cut the difference between the two. Iran IS against the liberation of the Muslim world from the West and the resurgence of the khilafah. In that, Iran allies with Israel, UK, and America. Iran, like the other nation states that gain their power from nationalism, capitalism, and the World Order run by America, does and will very likely continue to work with America et al to defend their way of life. Eventhough Iran is a signatory to the UN and continues to abide by international treaties which violate the governing authority of Muslims and supremacy and sovereignty of Allah (SWT), America still would rather betray Iran's regime for America's own interests. This is a common trend of American foreign policy: to stab in the back those who serve and bow to it. They did this with scores of dictators and regimes through the decades, including the Taliban. America will continue to subjugate and prod its subject rulers until they cater to every dimension of American interests, and even then that won't be enough. Qaddafi is a dictator that served America and Britain for decades. The Lockerbie bombing is highly contentious, but he coughed up a massive fortune (several billion) to stay on the West's good side, or at least so they'd push him down the list of 'things to do'. But when the time comes, they'll focus on him to get him ousted and open up Libya for their vultures. America IS focussing on Iran as a future target of its scorn even if Iran caters and works with America. There are many benefits America gains from suffering Iran, including justifying American presence in the Gulf states and further driving them into the lap of American hegemony (joint mlitary initiatives, permanent American bases, deep intel assets in the Gulf military and political eschalon, massive exorbitant military expenditures by Gulf govts on American military contracts, etc). America could stretch their bellicosity towards Iran out for 30 years, draining trillions from the Arab and Gulf nations while further intrenching America there (eg. Halliburton relocating to Duha).
The bigger picture is who is on Allah (SWT)'s side in the region? ------------- Let there arise from amongst you a group inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and they are the successful ones. Al Imran:104 |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 02 July 2007 at 6:54am
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http://news.speeple.com/instablogs.com/2007/06/28/u-s-is-harming-iraq-iran-relations-iran.htm - http://news.speeple.com/instablogs.com/2007/06/28/u-s-is-har ming-iraq-iran-relations-iran.htm The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has accused the United States of scathing the relations between Iran and Iraq. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has reportedly told the visiting Iraqi President Jalal Talabani that U.S.A. has been damaging the relationship between Iran and Iraq as well as playing off the improvement in relations between the two countries. But the two countries should resist the damage � he said. Khamenei, the key person of Iran�s state affairs, has also blamed U.S. and the Israeli Intelligence for the vehement insurgency that wrecked the neighboring areas of Iraq, according to the report. The report quotes Talibani as saying that he is keen on improving the relationship between Iran and Iraq. Iran is skeptical about the United States following a range of procedures. U.S. troops in Iraq is seen by Iran as a threat to Iran�s security. Iran has called for the removal of the U.S. troops from Iraq. On the other hand, Washington has accused Iran of equipping and funding Shiite Muslim militias who are fighting American and Iraqi troops. A new discussion between Iran and U.S. on Iraqi security would talk place during Talabani�s visit, the Deputy Iranian Foreign Minister Mehdi Mostafavi had said earlier. Tautness has risen between Iran and the United States since the first round of discussions in Baghdad in May last month. The tension had risen over the issue of Tehran�s detention of four Iranian-American scholars and activists charged with imperiling national security. The detention of five Iranian officials by U.S. troops in Iraq in January had already enraged Iran. Iran had warned that Washington would �regret� the move. However, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki has said that Iran would answer a request for persisting discussions with the U.S. �with a positive point of view.� It would definitely not be good for the United States to harbor an enemy like Iran when dealing with the Middle East. The repeated allegations by Iran against the U.S. seem to have some ground. Is U.S. devising a ploy to alienate Iraq and Iran to enjoy an ultimate dictatorship over both the countries?
Here's a little question and answer in case you're confused:
Q: Who are those who fight against America and resist American occupation ? Answer: They are agents of America! Q: What about those who help America and America funds, supports and protects them in every way? Answer: They are the enemies of America! Q: According to who? Answer: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Q: Why should we believe this? Answer: Because he said so!!! |
Posted By: Jasonchristian
Date Posted: 04 July 2007 at 7:53am
The Iranian Shi'ites will one day kick Sunni butt. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 05 July 2007 at 2:52pm
Is that what your gods revealed to you; just a reality check! Or you really like to ass u me Mr. Troll! ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 22 July 2007 at 5:28pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq The above news says Iran and USA are going to have yet another meeting about the war on Iraq! But...wait a minute, what's the point of the meeting if the USA is behind the "insurgency, violence and insecurity" (meaning violence against US forces and their puppets)? The Iranian Government keeps accusing the United States of being behind the insurgency/resistance in Iraq, meaning that the US is fighting itself in Iraq... but if this was the case why are they having a meeting with US officials? What's the point of the meeting if the US is orchestrating everything in Iraq??? Doesnt make sense does it? The Iranian Government is clearly contradicting their own fake conspiracy theory, which is of course a cover up for the real conspiracy: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411&PN=2&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411& ;PN=2&TPN=1 |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 2:22am
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All Hail the Mighty Sawtul, Great and All-Seeing Soothsayer, Who Never Speaks A Lie, But Always Untangles and then Retangles The Most Simple Politics To Justify His Inexplicable Self-Hate (He Is Iranian). That would be a great joke in itself. In the Foreword, we will add his Afghan claim episode and how he was zoomed to Italy and somehow landed on our earth as an IRANIAN. Simple caution for all Muslims: The US is spending billions, for painting Iran in bad colours - for alienating Muslim support before the planned attack. What could be worse colours, these days, than showing anyone as an accomplice of the US? This man, woman, thing is working for Psy Ops. If not directly for the Americans then with the Israeli outfit. I can bet my guts on this. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 7:00am
Yeah it's all a part of America's "SUPER SECRET PLANS"
You dont even have the guts to talk about the topic and try to prove me wrong. All you do is repeatedly accuse me of being a "CIA/Israel agent", same baseless accusation that Iran and Khamenehi use against all their Muslim enemies. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:12am
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You dont even have the guts to talk about the topic and try to prove me wrong. All you do is repeatedly accuse me of being a "CIA/Israel agent", same baseless accusation that Iran and Khamenehi use against all their Muslim enemies. Simple and just straightforward. Someone conducting an enemy's task is an enemy or the enemy's agent. I talk about or discuss anything with persons of integrity not with anyone of dubious identity. Period. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 12:24pm
So by your own "logic", Iran is America's agent!! |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 1:11pm
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Your response is not worth even copying in my post, but thanks a million for exposing yourself further, with your convoluted "logic" and smart ass emoticons. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:50pm
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Don't be so harsh on him Whisper. I have for some time been aware his
consistent belief in himself and his delusions is a sign of something seriously wrong. Here's something I picked up from the Royal College of Psychiatrists: (Sawtul, I mean no offence, I am seriously concerned about you) -Introduction The term `psychosis' is used to describe when a person loses touch with reality. Teenagers often worry that they may be `going mad' when they are feeling stressed, confused or very upset. In fact, feelings like these are very rarely a sign of mental illness. They can often get a lot better if you talk them through with someone you trust. `Psychosis' is much more serious and affects people of all ages, but becomes increasingly common as you reach young adulthood. When a young person has a `psychotic breakdown', not due to drug use, it can be difficult to know what the long-term effects will be, and a definite diagnosis may not be possible. Delusions are unshakeable beliefs that are obviously untrue. For example, an ill person might strongly believe that there is a plot to harm them - that they are being spied on through the TV or being taken over by aliens. Thought disorder is when someone is not thinking straight and it is hard to make sense of what they are saying. Their ideas may be jumbled up, but it is more than being muddled or confused. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 12:16am
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Don't be so harsh on him Whisper. I have for some time been aware his consistent belief in himself and his delusions is a sign of something seriously wrong. Duende, I promise, upon my scouts honour, I am being exceptionally kind with him. Otherwise, in such interesting times, we hang enemy agents, by the nearest vacant lamp post in the bazaar. And, despite all the emoticons they flash at us. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 2:14am
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Sorry! Forgot about his ailment. Had he been some European, the NHS (or it's equvalent across the EEC) would have taken care of him for FREE. But, in his USA, we have to find some loan shark, just to get a pobre diento (a poor tooth) extracted. Wonder what we have to sell for just a few minutes in a shrink's couch? I don't think he is getting much for his soul, the poor chap is no Scooter Libby. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: nu001
Date Posted: 25 July 2007 at 12:17am
That's it; that's what my friend Swatul wants to hear and encourage, through his relentless efforts. Firendship of the sunni states with US and israel doesnt bother him, it's only iran who he finds fault with, because they are the only one who has not submitted yet to USA and Iraeli interests. Infact it's the US propaganda machines who should be doing this job instead of Swatul. Look at the people who are comming to his assistance with pleasure !! ------------- "Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah" |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 25 July 2007 at 12:37am
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Duende/Sasha I think you need to cut some slack to Sawtul. His reading was on something which defied normal logic but you know the nations politics is a dirty game. You might wonder why? It is a shell game at long last cuz the stakes are too high under Baghdad with the largest reserve to be tapped, it is last big prize! I watched inside story on Aljazeera this afternoon with a three way discussion amongst an Iranian prof, an American academic and an Iraqi journalist Maki Azzal. What Iraqi journalist stated that blew me away and got me thinking about what Sawtul had been saying for longest time on IC. What Maki Azzal was saying that there is duplicity in Iranian American relationship. What is on surface doesn't tell the whole story. They have cooperated at some places like the Afghanistan and fight against the Sunnis in Iraq ( Iranian academic agreed) and conflicted in Iraqi control modalities. Now their Ambassadors are talking openly in Baghdad. I think this show basically has pretty much confirmed Sawtul's thinking so let's give him the mike and hear him out. ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 25 July 2007 at 2:39am
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Signreader I am ready to accept stranger things have come true when it
comes to politics between the US and Iran and indeed, anywhere else in the world. However, Sawtul's utter conviction that he is SO right, simply defies normalcy and is being fed by something much darker than pure political intuition. If he were commenting on purely international political strategy, and claiming to 'see beyond', that's fine, it's what all political comentators and analysts do. But Sawtul is neither a political commentator nor analyst and an amateur (as are we all) commentator, he is clearly an agitator, aiming to maintain friction between Sunni and Shi'a and this feeds into USA propaganda which we all resent. Starting from his premise (all Shi'a are untrustworthy, twisted, hypocrites and worse) it is easy to confirm his analyses and predictions of Iranian duplicity. Can any of us name one country, nation state which is not guilty of duplicity? Just as the 'Palestine debate' starts from the premise that all Jews (even those who are not Israelis) are evil, twisted Arabophiles and enemies of Islam, per se, which makes the condemnation of the entire state of Israel inevitable and adds the stinger of pan-anti-semitism, so Sawtul's position on Shi'a/Sunni relations leads inevitably to his counter- current predicitons and affirmations. Why is he so intent on proving himself right? Why is this not simply another comment, but a personal statement of clear cut superiority due to his unusual foresight? What does he gain from asserting himself as the sole member of the forum who sees such underhand secret collusion between iran and the US? It appears to be nothing more than agitprop aimed at division and breeding contempt and suspicion when presented as such irrefutable individual clairvoyancy |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 25 July 2007 at 2:55am
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Brother, I agree with you in toto. Nation states do not follow just the one pattern, their policies cover issues of interests. Yes, but I have grwon to trust my gut more than anything else in this world. You have that fragrance, it flows with sencerity. I am no fan of the Iranians. This man stank with his maiden post on this forum. Please just trust the deep old voice from the lost centuries. I know what he is. What is said is important, but who is saying it is also very important. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 25 July 2007 at 2:20pm
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Are you trying to make a point? Cause I cant see any in your post! Youre saying I shouldnt be convined that Im right even though I am right??? What are you trying to say? And correct me if Im wrong but did you just imply that you're not against the existence of "Israel" in Muslim lands? |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 1:02am
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Don't worry Sawtul, I know it's over your head. Besides, it is aimed at
Signreader. Why should I correct you if you're wrong? How on earth could you accept any one's corrections? You are Sawtul, all powerfull seer, you are always right! See? all your predictions come true! !!! |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 2:12am
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Infact it's the US propaganda machines who should be doing this job instead of Swatul. Brother, are you taken in by He is a part and parcel of the US propaganda machine. Seems you don't know the real story. He appeared out of the blue, in the middle of Lebanon war last year - dressed in the cloaks of an Afghan. He didn't smell like one. His verbology and, more important, his mindset was not Afghan. I challenged on that. Then he was zoomed up to Italy in a matter of less than twenty seconds. His controllers didn't like that, they wanted to implant him in some Muslim location. Ala Hazrat has since been in an Iranian cloak. Some senior members have analysed his expression, his contents and his usage of emoticons and have asked him to own up being a true blooded Amreeki. He had chellenged my location - as diversion tacticts. I had agreed to place photocopies of my passport with a firm of Swiss Confidentiality Solicitors - provided - he did the same - in the same breath - to prove to us that he is located in Iran. That was eight months ago. His response was a few emoticons flashing here n there. That's our friend! ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 2:21am
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Firendship of the sunni states with US and israel doesnt bother him, it's only iran who he finds fault with, because they are the only one who has not submitted yet to USA and Iraeli interests. Friendship of these Gulf States? Slavery is the term that springs to mind. Why should that ever bother an Israeli? and specially when tasked to blacken Iran - as a US accomplice - in the (majority) Sunni community in the world? Just plain simple Psy-Ops . . . wont use the word I was going to use, I will be outright banned. He serves the worst Zionist agenda while hiding behind ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 5:33am
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If only you spoke just a little bit of Arabic, you'd know that what you just said means: "He serves the worst Zionist agenda while hiding behind the the truth"! So according to what you just said, Im a "Zionist agent" hiding behind the truth? If that's the case doesnt it mean that everything I've said is True, even if Im an "agent". And as I've repeated so many many times, I delibrately faked my profile because I dont want to give away my true location and identity like most people. And unlike you, when I was questioned about this every single time I replied immediately, telling people that my profile is fake. You however claimed that your profile is Real, even though it said you're in spain while you claimed in your post that youre in Afghanistan, and now you changed it to United Kingdom... Oh, and one more thing Aftre seeing this post Whisper= |
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Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 7:12am
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"And as I've repeated so many many times, I delibrately faked my profile
because I dont want to give away my true location and identity like most people. And unlike you, when I was questioned about this every single time I replied immediately, telling people that my profile is fake" Sawtul, you're getting nowhere. Most people have no need to fake their identities, and if they did, they wouldn't make an issue of it so everyone knows they have something to hide. You never had to put in your location in the first place. The fact that you feel it's necessary to hide your true self is indicative of severe paranoia. Unless, of course, Whisper is right in which case, you wouldn't want to blow your own cover. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 7:35am
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If only you spoke just a little bit of Arabic, you'd know that what you just said means: "He serves the worst Zionist agenda while hiding behind the the truth"! I speak more Arabic than all of your country's agents put together. And, as usual, you are smart assing this point with all those silly emoticons. Smoke screen the issue as much as you wish. You are an utter liar. I have not been in Afghanistan since 1989 and have never claimed anything of the sort. Produce that post in which any such claim is laid. Yes, when I was in Spain, that was my location and now I am in England. I move about quite a lot, not locked up just in one place. Thank you for the emoticons, they indicate your severe nervousness. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 7:47am
Here you go: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007&PN=13&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007& ;PN=13&TPN=1 You wrote:
At that time my profile said Afghanistan, and you said you are not very far from me, meaning that you're not very far from Afghanistan, or if you thought that Im in USA or Israel, then it means you were close to USA or Israel. However your profile said SPAIN at the time and Spain certainly is not near Afghanistan, or USA or Israel. So this means either you were not in Spain, or you were lying. So you had either faked your profile like me, or you actually lied on your post. Funny thing is you later tried to "test" me by asking me a few questions (about "faal" and other things of that sort) but even after I answered, you continued to accuse me, which makes me wonder why you even bothered to ask me those questions if answering them would not have made any difference!! |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 8:37am
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somewhere not very far from where you are residing Just tell us one thing. Don't get me wrong, I have started to feel really sorry for you, specially, in the light of Duende's analysis and recent input. Are you really some kind of a joker? Or, you just take us to be some idiots who will be brow beaten just by your tricks. Now be honest and tell me or, I should say, own up tto the fact that your poor post doen NOT have a leg to stand on. What does somewhere not very far from where you are mean? Anyone, with even scanty knowledge of English, will tell you what it means. It means nearby, very close, say in Pakistan for an instance or even in the tribal belt. It does not mean "in the same country that you claimed to be residing in" You are the worst enemy of your own image and of your own stance. It's sad, but you stink either as an utter liar or, at best, as some person with some terrible mental disability. For, only some man with such sever disability (or, the most crooked task in hand) would twist a situation like that. Thank goodness, we know what you are. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 8:44am
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I again challenge you to same location test as I did a while ago. I am in a firm position to prove that I am presently located in England - through independent solicitors. Can you prove you are in Iran or, for that matter, even an Iranian? I know you will try to wriggle out of this one by twisting a few words or by flashing your, by now, famous emoticons. I also repeat: you are abusing your avtar. You are a liar workin in our midst with a Zionist agenda. My gut feeling is that you are an Israeli. Do you have the guts to prove what you CLAIM to be? ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 9:16am
...did you even read my post??? If you were in Pakistan while your profile said SPAIN, then that means the information on your profile was wrong, just like mine. The difference being that I told everyone that my profile is fake and had even delibrately made it obvious because my profile didnt just say "Afghanistan", it also said that Im 94 years old and my "real name" is MR X. If you really think that Im an Israeli agent, pretending to be a 94 year old Afghan called "MR X", then it is you who is mentally disordered. Since youre changing the topic again (as always) allow me to continue refuting you on another thread which is all about your false accusations: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9843&PN=1&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9843& ;PN=1&TPN=1
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 26 July 2007 at 10:38am
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If you really think that Im an Israeli agent I don't think. Now, specially, after your recent post, I know who and what you are. And, I also know, you will never take the simple location test. Almost everyone of any substance on Islamicity knows you by now. No need to respond to my post, I have no time for Zionist agents or any other convoluted chaps with munafarat agenda. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 13 August 2007 at 7:04am
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LONDON, August 13 (IranMania) - Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Mostafa Mohammad Najjar said that the US secretly backs terrorist groups in Iraq and tries to put the blames on others, IRNA reported. Speaking to the members of Defense Committee in charge of policy making at the Defense Ministry, he refuted recent allegations made by the US president about Iran's involvement in illegal smuggling of arms to Iraq. He said that while the US president is now putting blames on others, the classified information obtained by Iran indicates that the US is now secretively supporting terrorist groups in Iraq and Washington is masterminding bomb explosions in that country. Iran considers Iraq's security as its own and believes that a secure and united Iraq could play significant role in restoring stability and security to the region, he said. Withdrawal of occupiers and ceasing supports for terrorist groups is the only way to restore tranquility and stability to Iraq, he pointed out. Welfare, security and development would be materialized through formation of an independent and democratic government in Iraq which would live to have good ties with its neighbors, he said. The US administration is now concerned about reduction of tension and restoration of tranquility to Iraq and the whole region, because their illegitimate presence in the region and in Iraq will go under question, he said. Iran's strategic and unchangeable policy is to strengthen and expand ties with other countries in the region and its neighbors in particular, he said, adding that given such a policy "We will never let the US or the Zionist regime create tension in our relations with regional countries." Expansion of defense and security cooperation with regional countries is among Iran's main defense principles, he said, adding "We are to broaden such ties more than ever before." Source: http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=53492&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs - http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCo de=53492&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs
Same thing again, this time from Iran's Defense minister.
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Posted By: Abu Mujahid
Date Posted: 13 August 2007 at 10:23am
Whisper,
What is munafaraat? Without insults would you please explain islamically about this munafaraat?
May Allah give you clean tongue
Abu Mujahid ------------- Islam need true muslims |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 2:14pm
When did you make this "agreement" with me??? And are you so foolish that you actually think that agents of America or Israel cant even fake passports???!! There's a thing called the BRAIN inside peoples heads, you better start using it !
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 4:14pm
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Abu Mujahid I have duly advised you, in some other string, that I have no time to waste on or for any of your ilk. If you had any respect for yourself, you would continue with your half-baked posts without any help from me. Thank you. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 4:21pm
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When did you make this "agreement" with me??? I have reminded you, time and again, that I have no time ever for any fake things, specially when they happen to be in the human form. So please just get on with whatever agenda you have in hand and just in your own steam. You know it and quite a few others on this forum know when I had offered (it was my offer, not some agreement with you) that test. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 4:33pm
Why do you so constantly contradict yourself? If only you start reading the posts (including your own) before posting again, then maybe, just maybe, we can have an intelligent conversation. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 5:00pm
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Ask someone else what "I had agreed" means if you are not familiar with good class English. Don't hark for my attention, I have told you I have no time for you at all. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 5:09pm
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Who did you agree with? When you agree with someone, that means both sides decide to do the same thing, since I didnt then you did not agree, you offered. Im not seeking attention from you, I actually started a thread ("Sawtul vs Whisper") to stop you from posting nonsense on my other threads but sadly that thread was closed...
Getting back to the topic, here's again another reports which once again confirms my prediction: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/28/the-us-is-fighting-iraqi-government/ - http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/28/the-us-is-fighting- iraqi-government/ There�s a sinister reason why some journalists believe �the surge� is having a small effect in Iraq militarily. It�s because we�re actually fighting against the government we helped create. This is sick.
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:42am
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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem Just a few minutes ago, Iran's IRINN (news channel) was reporting on the situation in Iraq and guess what... they actually said that Bush is against the New Iraqi Government!!! They said "Bush does not really support Maliki, peace and security"!!! It went on to say that Bush actually supports the resistance and the US is trying to incite the Sunnis against the Shiah Government! I couldnt help but laugh when I heard this - not only because this was exactly what I predicted would happen - but also because they equated Maliki's Government with PEACE AND SECURITY, despite the fact that the New Iraqi Government under Maliki has been responsible for torturing to death thousands of Iraqis who were suspected of defending their country against the occupation. Maliki's Government also supports and is backed by the Shiah Death squads such as the Badr Brigade who go around killing anyone who even has a Sunni name!!! Anyway, this is all part of their plan as I explained on this thread as well as the "Real Reason US invaded Iraq" thread. Iran is trying to make excuses for their backing of the New Iraqi Government despite the fact that the Government was created, supported, armed, trained and protected by the USA which they themsleves call "the Great Satan"!!! They are trying to find an excuse so they would not be seen as America's helpers, as they want everyone to think that Iran is America's biggest enemy, so they made up this whole story - which I KNEW they were going to say since long ago. |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 30 September 2007 at 6:59pm
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Supreme Leader lauds great achievements of Iraqi people ... The Supreme Leader expressed pleasure with establishment of democratic government in Iraq and taking shape of constitutional organs in the country. The Supreme Leader praised the great achievements of the Iraqi people and described them as blessings of the Almighty. Ayatollah Khamenei honored the decisive leadership of venerable leader of Iraq (Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani) and said that Iraqi people are expected to reinforce national solidarity and religious unity to remove security problems in Iraq. The Supreme Leader underscored the need for withdrawal of occupation forces from Iraq as pre-requisite for national security and successful hand-over of the state affairs to Iraqi forces themselves. Source: Islamic Republic (of Iran) News Agency Link:http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-22/06062075201625 06.htm I just quoted the above as more confirmation of what I've been saying. First of all, notice Khamenehi refers to the new Iraqi Government which the United States has made in Iraq as the "blessing of the Almighty"!!! He then says the "security problems" in Iraq must be removed and the "Iraqi forces" (who are trained, armed and controled by the Americans) should take over. So he is clearly saying that the puppet Government is Islamic (in fact, a "blessing of the Almighty") and that the "security problems" (by which he means the Iraqi resistance) must be destroyed. Note: This is in connection to my posts on page 1 of this thread. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 12:52am
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I propose, we must set up have a Loony Bin Section in Islamicity and invite all the frauds and other obsessive loonies to post in that section instead of infecting the whole site. I don't mind American agents, it's the Israeli agents and agenda promotors I detest. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 4:13pm
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It's been nearly 5 months since you wrote this Deunde, what happened to the "military build-up in the Straights of Hormuz- Persian Gulf"??? Your "talented journalists" fooled you and hundreds of millions of people with their lies. |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 2:40am
 You're right Sawtul it looks a bit like the famous Iraq surge.
Actually, it's been going on for more than five months: 27/ 03/ 2007 MOSCOW, March 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russian military intelligence services are reporting a flurry of activity by U.S. Armed Forces near Iran's borders, a high-ranking security source said Tuesday. "The latest military intelligence data point to heightened U.S. military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran," the official said, adding that the Pentagon has probably not yet made a final decision as to when an attack will be launched. He said the Pentagon is looking for a way to deliver a strike against Iran "that would enable the Americans to bring the country to its knees at minimal cost." He also said the U.S. Naval presence in the Persian Gulf has for the first time in the past four years reached the level that existed shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003." *** However, don't misundertand me, I am neither sure of nor hoping for an attack on Iran. I just find your 'reasoning' extremely unconvincing, and your assumption that every body but you has been 'fooled'; childish. It is beginning to look like it's too late for the Bush admin to launch any attack on Iran other than the already crippling financial sanctions imposed by the Europeans and the U.S. But it' s never too late to use a proxy: Israel may make another run just as they did recently into Syria, and with the full knowledge and consent of the next US President who will probably be Hillary, as she is well versed in the ways of the Council on Foreign Relations. Also, it is getting increasingly difficult for the US to fund any war unless they ditch their own Dollar and start paying their troops in Sterling or Euros. |