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Topic: USA spread terrorism worldwide
Posted By: Shery
Subject: USA spread terrorism worldwide
Date Posted: 18 February 2007 at 3:00am
Everyone should notice that when USA turn against a country such as iran , syria lebanon ... or even when they get mad from egypt for something
the terrorism start to appear in this country that they start to turn against it

Its like a warning messages to Mubarak .. dont try to mess with us we can just bomb anywhere anytime .. ( bear in your mind that Taba was one of the most secured areas in egypt and egyptian intelligence are everywhere there and they successed to bomb it ) !!!!

that was a example for egypt .

Lets look at lebanon .. since they start to get mad of syria they successed to kick syria out of course with the aid of the betrayers as the ALgameyal family and gumblat and the snake head jaajaa

Iraq they took it down and they are trying to benefit from all the chaos there

And now if Iran is the threat of the world ... why would any terrorism happened there ? unless they are the one who are standing against terrorism which is the terrorism of USA and Israel

So now the turn of iran to face the pharoa of USA !

Its so clear to any wise person that the one who lead middle east to a real chaos is USA ... even dragging israel into that

And as I said before israeli has a lot of ambitious and of course they wouldnt mind any chaos as long as it wouldnt harm israel ! and the interest of israel in middle east ...

When they bombed sharm el sheikh they destroyed a hotel named ( ghazala ) owned by egyptians and exactly beside this hotel theres a gambling casino owned by a jew ... nothing happened to it

Is that clarify anything to anyone ????????????????

Today in teheran they are trying to weaken iran from inside to be able to attack it while they are too busy with their internal terrorist ...

Which this is the exact CIA style ... lets fund those who hates the current regime in any country we want to fell ....... as iraq of course ..........

And Now after they failed to start a war against iran .... they are trying to give iran hard time ....


Iran and every single muslim who has faith and dignity will understand your failure strategy.
 
Facts in these countries and the U.S policies announcements confirm ur opinion in this matters, plus it is quite clear now that this is what is going on, no secret anymore and does not need super brains to see through it..
Give in to uncle Sam, or face the consequences.....options are wide open, take ur pick or let uncle sam do it for u....
Sanctions..
sectarian fights
Direct invasion
Israel semi-direct invasion
US-israel direct invasion
Tyrants rulers.....this option is not sufficient lately for the liking of the U.S
IED's, and regular conventional bombs...
Since uncle sam promotes democracy and abide by it in his actions, u are given the choice to pick between these options, plus u can mix between them...


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Posted By: mohammad
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 5:26am

You are absolute right. But unfortunately we are weaker from our side, our rulers are playing as puppets for CIA, you know why because they are un-elected and they want to save their regime by full fill the USA every demands they don't care even if it is against the will of their countrymen. But be aware all of these puppet regimes and keep in mind the end of Sadam Hussain who was also heart touching lover of the Americans, when they were need him.

See what a funny America claim a one of the best democratic country in the world but all of her allies either are the dictators those were cope the regime by power or the kingdom which are no roots in their prospective countrymen. Hypocrisy is the base of Americans policy maker.

 



Posted By: Fallen
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 8:21am
This is a very dumb post


Posted By: Al-kafir
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 4:51pm

It never fails to amaze me how rumor and superstition has become fact for the islamist Middle East. Truly, the place has been turned into a TV soap opera where millions of slack-jawed viewers are bamboozled by the most silly of conspiracy theories. 

What do these conspiracy theories have in common? All of them tell about millions of islamic men and women who are immersed in a fantasy world.

Most all of us remember Baghdad Bob. He was Saddam�s propaganda mouthpiece who was convinced that delusional flights of fancy were more real than the US armor rumbling through the streets of Baghdad. The Baghdad Bob syndrome lives on in the Middle East.



Posted By: mohammad
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 7:14pm

"This is a very dumb post "

I never wish to reply dim-witted comments but here I wish to pass an advice to the author of above red quoted sentence that " Go back and learn the manners to reply others post."



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 3:06am
Originally posted by Al-kafir Al-kafir wrote:

It never fails to amaze me how rumor and superstition has become fact for the islamist Middle East. Truly, the place has been turned into a TV soap opera where millions of slack-jawed viewers are bamboozled by the most silly of conspiracy theories. 

What do these conspiracy theories have in common? All of them tell about millions of islamic men and women who are immersed in a fantasy world.

Most all of us remember Baghdad Bob. He was Saddam�s propaganda mouthpiece who was convinced that delusional flights of fancy were more real than the US armor rumbling through the streets of Baghdad. The Baghdad Bob syndrome lives on in the Middle East.

 

Well I like when americans play the innocent ... You lSound so funny.



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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 4:16pm

Originally posted by Al-kafir Al-kafir wrote:



What do these conspiracy theories have in common? All of them tell about millions of islamic men and women who are immersed in a fantasy world.


Yeah these "conspiracy theorists" actually believe that the United States Government doesnt speak the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How can anyone be so naive NOT to believe everything Bush and his friends say ???? Why dont Muslims just shut their eyes to all events going on around them and instead just obey the United States ?

Why dont Muslims understand that the US has a Right to bomb any country, conquer it, take it's oil, install a puppet Government, and inforce it's sick perverted culture on them ???

Why????????????



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 4:27pm

El hak

 

Stop calling hizbullah .. hizbalshaytan ... please

Dont tell me you are from saudia .. and read my next thread

about the movie ( the assignment )

 

and I hope you get any hint from what i will post .



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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 6:58am
Originally posted by Shery Shery wrote:

El hak

Stop calling hizbullah .. hizbalshaytan ... please

Dont tell me you are from saudia .. and read my next thread

about the movie ( the assignment )

and I hope you get any hint from what i will post .



I have already explained on other threads that if you call them "Hezbollah" you are contradicting the Qur'an because this group in Lebanon does Not fit into the description of Hezbollah as given in the Quran.

Also, I Never said Im from Saudi (where did you get that idea ???)

And where is your next thread posted which you want me to read ??



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 11:02am
Originally posted by Sawtul Khilafah Sawtul Khilafah wrote:

Originally posted by Shery Shery wrote:

El hak

Stop calling hizbullah .. hizbalshaytan ... please

Dont tell me you are from saudia .. and read my next thread

about the movie ( the assignment )

and I hope you get any hint from what i will post .



I have already explained on other threads that if you call them "Hezbollah" you are contradicting the Qur'an because this group in Lebanon does Not fit into the description of Hezbollah as given in the Quran.

Also, I Never said Im from Saudi (where did you get that idea ???)

And where is your next thread posted which you want me to read ??

 

You can always have your own opinion and i will keep  saying that they are not hizbalshaytan

As long as they say god is one and has no son and Prophet mohamed is the messenger of god

Their other pratice of religion or what they say about sahaba it something between them and god .. and after life HE is the only one who is able to judge them ..

I wouldnt go blind and make secterian as the rest of muslims

God order us to reduce sedition not increase it ... and if you really believe in quoran .....

You would know that even the kafir you have no right to insult his religion . cuz he will insult your religion back

though shia are not kafir . and they are muslims as sunna

though I m not conveince with what we call ourselves ..sunna or shia

But I would never ever be part of any plot for more secterian between muslims .



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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by Shery Shery wrote:

You can always have your own opinion and i will keep  saying that they are not hizbalshaytan

As long as they say god is one and has no son and Prophet mohamed is the messenger of god

Their other pratice of religion or what they say about sahaba it something between them and god .. and after life HE is the only one who is able to judge them ..

I wouldnt go blind and make secterian as the rest of muslims

God order us to reduce sedition not increase it ... and if you really believe in quoran .....

You would know that even the kafir you have no right to insult his religion . cuz he will insult your religion back

though shia are not kafir . and they are muslims as sunna

though I m not conveince with what we call ourselves ..sunna or shia

But I would never ever be part of any plot for more secterian between muslims .

 

I am not talking about Shiah beliefs, but rather about this two faced group in Lebanon. (and in any case, Shiahs are not just another sect who simply hate the Sahabah, they have MANY other blasphemous beliefs- but Im not talking about that here, if you want start another thread on Shiism, and then I'll explain).

I told everyone here what these guys were really planning and ALL my predictions came true.

 

And just because they claim to be believers doesnt mean anything when their actions and their beliefs are opposed to the Quran and Sunnah.

Allah says in the Qur'an:

 Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.
They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.
Quran 2:8-8

They are the Monafiqeen, the hypocrites. And in the Quran we read that one of the signs of hypocrasy (and proof of infidelity) is alliance with the Kuffar. And this is while Hasan Nasrallah is a Close friend and ally of many French Politician s(even though they banned Hijab and are opposed to Islam).


O you who believe! Take not as Awliya (allies/close friends) the disbelievers instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves? Qur'an: 4:144



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 1:23pm

El hak ,,, thank god that you dont represent the majority

maybe our governments hates shia and maybe saudia try to spread more secterian

 

but i made a survey about hizbullah ........ in egypt

everyone pray and admire them

So thank god that your prediction is only for yourself.



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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 2:53pm
When they bombed sharm el sheikh they destroyed a
hotel named ( ghazala owned by egyptians and exactly beside this hotel
theres a gambling casino owned by a jew ... nothing happened to it [/
COLOR>

Tell the whole story! Right. Nothing happened to the
jewish building . But
Israeli's died that were staying at the hotel. Egyptian police refused to
allow medical crews to reach the wounded. Four people consequently
bled to death.


i made a survey about hizbullah ........ in egypt
everyone pray and admire them

You too? Do you also think that the president of Iran has
Egypt's best
interest at heart? Do you think that he is a good Muslim?

-I'll answer the obvious counter questions first -

No. Bush is not a good Christian and Olmert is not a good Jew. Do I feel it
scandalous that civilians are abused in Palestine? Yes I most certainly do.
Do I make an effort to help? Yes I do as do many Israeli and Palestinian
and american Muslims and Jews by collecting and documenting human
rights abuses in Palestine and by driving chemotherapy, dialysis and heart
patients back and fourth over the border. By running food and clothing
past our own troops to the needy using inside connections at al levels of
the military at the risk of being charged with "giving comfort to the
enemy" But you don't see us as people stuck on the ground like you with
irresponsible leaders. Impossible choices You see CIA protected jewish
buildings. I convince friends to do the right thing and they get beaten up
jailed, fired or in one case killed. My son and I spent an afternoon a
couple months back dodging Nasrallah's missiles fired on jew, druze,
Muslim, Bahai and christian alike.   

The last time I was in Egypt was during the 1973 war. We lost 2000
people in the space of a few hours on Yom Kipper (Our jewish version of
your Ramadan) Entire graduation classes fresh out of the high school I
attended were virtually wiped out. Good people all.

I will presume to tell you as a Jew about Islam. Islam like Judaism is not
about hatred or revenge it's about respecting and celebrating life. It is not
about convincing our children to throw it away or to take it away from
other innocents.


Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 3:04pm

Daniel Dworsky, if you dont want to be killed, just LEAVE the land that belongs to the Palestinians. Your people murdered thousands of Arabs to conquer that land and now the Arabs are paying you back.

And yes Im against Hasan Nasrallah, but that's because the guy is a total fake, and yes he mainly targets civilians as does Israel (because Nasrallah doesnt want to weaken the Israeli Government and Israel doesnt want to kill Nasrallah - they are in it together as I've explained on other threads).

The perfect solution to this problem is if you give the land BACK to the Palestinians - and if you are a true Jew, then you should know that True Jews do not recognise Israel.



Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 3:59pm
Iran aye? Right. I have american citizenship. I will leave when I feel that
there is nothing more I can do here. I live in Atlit. It is not JNF land but
has always been privately owned. I bought a 750 square meter plot of dirt
and I built with my own hands a school and a house. My neighbors helped
me settle here when I returned to Israel with my wife and two children in
1992 My neighbors are Muslim. My Father in law was at the time Israeli
chair person for Amnesty International his life partner is with Doctors
with out borders.
Before I got my break as a musician. I was a professional investigator in
LA.
I have put those skills to good use for ISM, Gush Shalom, Taayush and
other organizations that try and sometimes succeed in bringing a little
justice to play here on a good day. As much as I would love to live in
Washington State or Oregon. I can't go. If I leave - The bad guys win.
There's one less inside voice against the apartheid wall one less driver
for Taayush one less protester one less olive picker when Palestinian
farmers can't get to their land etc etc... Where am I going?

Your president on the other hand is a quite possibly a borderline
personality if not a real live full speed a head Sociopath While my leaders
are merely arrogant and corrupt career criminals. You like I should I
scout out a nice property for you in Seattle?
Portland?
Olympia maybe. Regarding true jews. I am one and I recognize Israel. I
would know it any where

Lastly, It's completely rude of you to tell me to leave my own home and
tell me my Arab neighbors are going to pay me back by killing me. You
should have talked to them first. Your statement is slanderous and I am
sure that the Hussien family would take great offense at your comment.
You are silly even for an Iranian


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 1:52am
Not Cool. Sorry. I mean to say you sound silly. Silly is not always as silly
does. You probably are a very nice person once people get to know you.

Shalom alecha That's Hebrew for Salaam Alikum.

Mishuganeh Arupf foon dock That's Yiddish for literally- "You silly person,
get off the roof." It's like saying in the familiar "Surely you must be joking?"
To which the response is....

..."Don't ever call me Shirley"

If you are not laughing out loud I'll understand. I am a firm believer that
there is nothing like a good joke... ...and that was nothing like a good joke.


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 1:55am

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky Daniel Dworsky wrote:

When they bombed sharm el sheikh they destroyed a
hotel named ( ghazala owned by egyptians and exactly beside this hotel
theres a gambling casino owned by a jew ... nothing happened to it [/
COLOR>

Tell the whole story! Right. Nothing happened to the
jewish building . But
Israeli's died that were staying at the hotel. Egyptian police refused to
allow medical crews to reach the wounded. Four people consequently
bled to death.


i made a survey about hizbullah ........ in egypt
everyone pray and admire them

You too? Do you also think that the president of Iran has
Egypt's best
interest at heart? Do you think that he is a good Muslim?

-I'll answer the obvious counter questions first -

No. Bush is not a good Christian and Olmert is not a good Jew. Do I feel it
scandalous that civilians are abused in Palestine? Yes I most certainly do.
Do I make an effort to help? Yes I do as do many Israeli and Palestinian
and american Muslims and Jews by collecting and documenting human
rights abuses in Palestine and by driving chemotherapy, dialysis and heart
patients back and fourth over the border. By running food and clothing
past our own troops to the needy using inside connections at al levels of
the military at the risk of being charged with "giving comfort to the
enemy" But you don't see us as people stuck on the ground like you with
irresponsible leaders. Impossible choices You see CIA protected jewish
buildings. I convince friends to do the right thing and they get beaten up
jailed, fired or in one case killed. My son and I spent an afternoon a
couple months back dodging Nasrallah's missiles fired on jew, druze,
Muslim, Bahai and christian alike.   

The last time I was in Egypt was during the 1973 war. We lost 2000
people in the space of a few hours on Yom Kipper (Our jewish version of
your Ramadan) Entire graduation classes fresh out of the high school I
attended were virtually wiped out. Good people all.

I will presume to tell you as a Jew about Islam. Islam like Judaism is not
about hatred or revenge it's about respecting and celebrating life. It is not
about convincing our children to throw it away or to take it away from
other innocents.

 

I dont hate anyone

BUT I WILL FIGHT ANYONE TRY TO MESS WITH AQSA MOSQUE

For the ghazla and sharm that doesnt makes mossad and CIA innocent from bombed it ...

and for iran ... Ahmed nijad maybe say st**id statements as bush

but he dont own the fortune that Bush and his family has

neither mubarak or all the arab leaders has

He has one principale and I wont fight muslims

and I wont listen to whom trying to make secterian

I respect every jew and christian who respect my religion and I wouldnt never hates them

but When it come to dignity and pride .. then nothing left to live for

Remember you were the one who been always attack muslims

 



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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 1:59am
I WILL FIGHT ANYONE TRY TO MESS WITH AQSA MOSQUE

As will I sister. Even though it isn't a jewish building


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 2:12am

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky Daniel Dworsky wrote:

I WILL FIGHT ANYONE TRY TO MESS WITH AQSA MOSQUE

As will I sister. Even though it isn't a jewish building

 

You know i have a jewish friends I have them as very close friends

but when it comes to religions we always fight but we made agreement together we will never lose our relation because of any argument that we dont agree on it

I dont hate jew specially jew cuz as you said judaism is very close to islam though islam came to make allow you many things that were forbiden to jew

The aqsa mosque was your temple

Simply because you were muslims all religion came to believe in god

and all prophets were muslims from ibrahim to mohamed

and when you were chosen and you disobey god you lost your temple

and being chosen didnt save you from losing your temple

and now we are facing the same situation we are losing our mosque because being a muslim wouldnt save our mosque

but at the same time ....In israel you are more western than religious which means that god wouldnt support people who allow gay pride parade in a holy land as jerusalem ... and let their girls lose their virginity without marriage ... and Ehud olmert daughter preach for homosexuality rights .. cuz she is lesbian

So neither jew of today will be supported cuz you sin more than anyone else in a holy land ... neither muslims .. cuz they are repeating jew mistakes in moses time

When prophet moses ask them to enter jerusalem

and they refused they said to prophet moses ... you go and your allah we are staying here .... and then god make them diaspora in the land for 40 years

It is happening now with muslims cuz they are too weak and unfaithful.

 



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Posted By: hat2010
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 3:58am
"Daniel Dworsky, if you dont want to be killed, just LEAVE the land that
belongs to the Palestinians. "

So, we've finally pinned it down to the man. Good job, Detective Sawtul
Khilafah. You heard him, Dworsky, get movin' unless you want to be
killed.    Leave your gear for DAM to cut their next album with.

"Remember you were the one who been always attack muslims"

Rubbish. Here in Morocco, Jews who were not well were killed in the early
days of Islam, then later, often treated like dirt, abused, humiliated in
public.
link to earlier post on this here
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8185&PN= 1


America/Israel as the cause of all our woes:
The time for the Islamic empire has so long been over.    Civil wars
accompanied the beginning of our religious expansion and in-fighting
and corruption accompany our current Muslim leaders. The America/
Israel thing is a tired trope., but it is the best thing to happen to failing
repressive nations in terms of explaining why we need to censor our own
press, why spend our food/school money on weapons, why we can't let
women drive cars, listen to music, etc.

The Golden Age of Islam before the advent America/Israel problems:   
many of our brothers and sisters have become like the alcoholics who
constantly refer to their great-great-great uncle who was related to a
founder of a very great-great city.    We are warned over and over in the
Quran that we will have no intervention from those who have passed on
before us on the day of Reckoning.

My ulitmately inconsequential opinions:
* Israel and Palestine problems are just that, not Islam and Jew problems.

*Palestinians have kept a bright international light on their confilct with
Israel through violence - so I don't think they should change tack.   


*The tried American paradigm of solubility is as quaint as Robinson
Caruso. And just as worthless - this is not a problem to be solved, unless
lots of miserable, homeless, or dead people are going to being counted
as a solution in retrospect.

*The best thing to come out of the antiquated Oslo accord was mutual
recognition.   Wars eventually die down, and this one will too. And it
won't be because anyone one side stopped it. It will die of attrition,
though the less deadly forms of hierarchical exploitation that come
bundled with life won't - and never will.

Final Friday thought: History is sacrament in Islam. We find ourselves
looking at past events as our way of getting peeks at and brief
understandings the Divine. And more and more (as I exercise an
unofficiated itjihad this Friday) I realize: that it is through primarily
through aggressively individual acts of righteousness (undertaken
collectively) that something like Unity can be glimpsed...


Rant cycle terminated - have a blessed, bomb-free and prayerful Friday,
everyone -

Jamal


Posted By: Fallen
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 5:01am

Mohammed,

I called Shery's post dumb but it is the mark of an extremist view. It totally annihilates any Muslim responsibility. Regardless whether the U.S is the aggressor or not there are Muslims in the Muslim world who are no different. Recognize the ignorance in  all aggression not simply one country.

Shery if your love of faith is truly that strong join an Islamic army and die for what you believe in. I respect those individuals more than "word warriors." I've actually taken a life once, (in self-defence) it is a horrible thing to live with everyday. But for word warriors like yourself who claims to fight anyone for a religious site...I would hardly doubt it because usually, people who believe that way do not express themselves via internet chat. They do it. So please spare me that tireless rhetoric.



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 11:02am

i will fallen inshallah

hope you can bear or handle some warrior as me

 



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Posted By: Fallen
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 10:22pm
Shery the "word warrior" a true religious fanatic BTW shouldn't you be training? Instead of wasting time saying Inshallah on the web you should be training with your battlion....


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 3:47am

Originally posted by Fallen Fallen wrote:

Shery the "word warrior" a true religious fanatic BTW shouldn't you be training? Instead of wasting time saying Inshallah on the web you should be training with your battlion....

 

What do you if you mind your business ?

 



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Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 10:16am

Daniel

whish you and your family all the best and enough power to withstand all the hate from all sides. You are an impressive man.

Shery ... sorry I do not understand you. If your god created everything, why you think he`s pleased if someone destroy? As far as one muslim girlfriend explained the Quaran to me, he want to have a peacefull world.

 

regards

Peter

 



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 10:21am
Originally posted by wafi wafi wrote:

Daniel

whish you and your family all the best and enough power to withstand all the hate from all sides. You are an impressive man.

Shery ... sorry I do not understand you. If your god created everything, why you think he`s pleased if someone destroy? As far as one muslim girlfriend explained the Quaran to me, he want to have a peacefull world.

 

regards

Peter

 

 

Well i hope you say that to your bush and your countries who seek after destruction and killing children for oil

 

and PEace of quoran only with peaceful people not with monsters who wants to genocide and take over middle east .

So yes My god would wants HIS muslims to defend themselves against the cruel people .

Beside havent you read your christian history that full of blood

havent you read the american history that full of shame .



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Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 10:33am

Shery ... it is not my Bush ... you should realize I`m from Germany. Please take a look into http://www.peacemovement.de/wbb2 - www.peacemovement.de/wbb2 you will easily realize that also in western countries people are trying to fight against violance. But such statements as you did makes it difficult to show to other`s that islam is not a thing we have to be afraid for. Your way of trying to force terrorismn is just the way to get a solidatity of western countries and to make doomsday a little bit more probably. Instead of supporting guy`s like Daniel you`re fighting against people who are trying to find a peacefull way of living together.

Sorry to say, but that`s not wise ...

And, I just red your other posting .. what`s the problem? Also here in Germany Muslims are living, they can live their live as they want. The problem they now have is islamistic terror and people in Germany feel afraid of Muslims. Result ... fashists trying to beat Muslims, society is blaming Muslims etc ... It`s a result of terror, and one have to stop it. Daniel is working on this problem in Israel and I think better solution would to support people like Daniel.

 

regrads

Peter



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 10:47am
Originally posted by wafi wafi wrote:

Shery ... it is not my Bush ... you should realize I`m from Germany. Please take a look into http://www.peacemovement.de/wbb2 - www.peacemovement.de/wbb2 you will easily realize that also in western countries people are trying to fight against violance. But such statements as you did makes it difficult to show to other`s that islam is not a thing we have to be afraid for. Your way of trying to force terrorismn is just the way to get a solidatity of western countries and to make doomsday a little bit more probably. Instead of supporting guy`s like Daniel you`re fighting against people who are trying to find a peacefull way of living together.

Sorry to say, but that`s not wise ...

And, I just red your other posting .. what`s the problem? Also here in Germany Muslims are living, they can live their live as they want. The problem they now have is islamistic terror and people in Germany feel afraid of Muslims. Result ... fashists trying to beat Muslims, society is blaming Muslims etc ... It`s a result of terror, and one have to stop it. Daniel is working on this problem in Israel and I think better solution would to support people like Daniel.

 

regrads

Peter

 

You know what Peter

Your words wouldnt makes me regret or feel sorry

You know why the BIGGEST AMERICAN BASE IN EUROPE LOCATED IN USA ... so funny when USA and germany or france destroy and occupy our countries and then they simply send the victims some chocolate bars ..

Listen Peter my advice for you ... If you are really a good person

My message is so clear

Your violence will be FACED BY THE SAME VIOLENECe

You wont fool me with some organizations that doesnt do anythng

where were you when dozen of iraqi died .. where were you when dozen of lebanese died ?

You are so clever in talking

You asking from muslims to be kicked and enslaved and preach peace

You are think that is possible

Listen again peter i m not here to preach islam I m not ( IMAM )

I m a usual muslim who feel jealous as anyone else

if some1 come to occupy germany and rape your woman and kill your children you wouldnt be asked to show mercy and peace cuz your christ saying that

CUz you have a LONGGGGGGG BLOODY HISTORY IN EUROPE

You european specialy european did invade middle east mannnnnny times ... So dont teach me about peace and religion

 

Please mind your business first and teach your organizations to fulfil their slogans or just stop to pretend that they care

CUZ MUSLIMS ARE FED UP .



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Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 11:05am

Shery

first of all ... I did not went to occupy any other country, what my grandfather did ... is NOT my responsibility.

 If you would look carefully you should realize that France and Germany did NOT went to Iraq because they stated, that they did not believe Bush administration.

And ... you know, I`m discussing also with different European and Israelis ... the argumentation is same as your arguments ... with different name of countries, but in general same. You can be sure that if each side stays on his status quo, thousands of people will die in the future due violance. And the silly truth will be ... no side will win, but each side will lose.

 Do you really believe to win a war against the west? No chance ... but of cause the west has also no chance to win a war against Muslims (or next step Iran). It will only cost life of men, women and children. And the result?



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 11:33am
Originally posted by wafi wafi wrote:

Shery

first of all ... I did not went to occupy any other country, what my grandfather did ... is NOT my responsibility.

 If you would look carefully you should realize that France and Germany did NOT went to Iraq because they stated, that they did not believe Bush administration.

And ... you know, I`m discussing also with different European and Israelis ... the argumentation is same as your arguments ... with different name of countries, but in general same. You can be sure that if each side stays on his status quo, thousands of people will die in the future due violance. And the silly truth will be ... no side will win, but each side will lose.

 Do you really believe to win a war against the west? No chance ... but of cause the west has also no chance to win a war against Muslims (or next step Iran). It will only cost life of men, women and children. And the result?

Dont predict future cuz you will never know what god hides.

Yes germany and france didnt join in iraq but you were the first base to host the wounded soldiers in iraqi war

didnt join the war doesnt makes from germany a angels

France the snake head who sold syria because syria refused to renew the gas contract to them and give it to russia

so france become one of the worst enemies to arab specially lebanon

Maybe you are peaceful person and you want to live in peace

but that wont resolve our problems

I m sorry Peter I would never preach that muslims stop war unless the western stop attaking us .



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Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:15pm

Than you are in one line with the falcons in the west.

 Sorry to say, who will sow wind ... will get a gale. You are not wiser that the falcons and I`m desperate to see that the next conflict will rise in Iran and the only thing which will be wiped out of the map will be truth, freedom and love.



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by wafi wafi wrote:

Than you are in one line with the falcons in the west.

 Sorry to say, who will sow wind ... will get a gale. You are not wiser that the falcons and I`m desperate to see that the next conflict will rise in Iran and the only thing which will be wiped out of the map will be truth, freedom and love.

and I promise you a nature disaster god willing to wipe you from the map

eachone of us use his power

Enjoy it .



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Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:50pm

I will discuss that matter with the god later .... in the meantime I try to fight against your and western falcons disaster in a peacefull way.

Take care and recall the face of the poorest and most helpless person whom you have seen and ask yourself if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him. Will he be able to gain anything by it?
Mahatma Gandhi


 



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by wafi wafi wrote:

I will discuss that matter with the god later .... in the meantime I try to fight against your and western falcons disaster in a peacefull way.

Take care and recall the face of the poorest and most helpless person whom you have seen and ask yourself if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him. Will he be able to gain anything by it?
Mahatma Gandhi


 

Well YOu think its a joke when I speak about nature disaster

You cant discuss it with god

No one can discuss things with god ....

Your words shows your faith

Myself I m not rich person to be able to help many poor i help as much as I can ... and I dont even need to say so ...

but anyhow ... I will keep fighting till my people are safe ...

Beside you were talking about wiping iran and now you play the innocent uh hah

Too late I know your kind of people who pretend to be peaceful and wish to have peace while they dont mind to see children and woman dying by your smart bomb ...

and I know how much you enjoy seeing people suffer

your movies as ( SAW ) and much more tells much about the Western mind and psychological .. You are pathetic and thirty for torture and blood .. You enjoy this movies cuz it express a lot about what kind of human you all are .

Disguisting movies only got the best Income in USA !!!!!

well it tells much about all of you ...

anyhow I will keep my promise and I will remind you

That I havent joke in word over here

and dare to challenge me and I will show you .... what my words means .Inshallah

 



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Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 1:49pm

Shery

I think you simply do not want to read or to listen. Here in western countries are people fighting against smart bombs, against Iraq war against the coming Iran war, same as fighting against islamic violance.

 There is absolutely no reason to murder anybody, not for a political system, not for any religiouse system, but on your side, like yourselfe as well as on western countries side falcons belive in war, believe in killing people, believe that smart bombs or bombed trains or Twintowers would be a solution. I tell you, this violance is no solution for no side.

But I think discussion from my side will stopp here for today. Think there is no chance to get to your heart, the wall of hate is too thick.

 



Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:07pm
Who was it that said:
" I'll not have a battle of wits with an unarmed person"
In any case Wafi I think it applies here.

who will sow wind ... will get a gale.

Gale is funky


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:13pm

I dont hate,,, I  defend and i will keep defending .

and yes ...... no one deserve to die

but i m not the world problem .

One thing you must know

The more transgression against islam the more you will get from what you call islamic violence though i consider it as defending ..

but You are the reason of this islamic violence

if you want to blame anyone just blame yourselves

oppression , torture .. attacking ..

When for example mubarak keep caughting brotherhood in Egypt

Why would you think that brotherhood would hate USA more ?

Why do you think those islamic blame USA ?

I will clarified it to you

Simply cuz mubarak regime is just a USA puppet and more poorness and agression and torture against muslims the more you will be facing what you call islamic violence

No one born wild ... but what if you see your mother or sister been raped in jail in front of you ,,, example abu gharib

and we have stuff like that in egypt as well

The violence grow up inside people because of the environment they live at ...

So simply i have no hatred to anyone

and I can live and have friends if i live in a normal world who doesnt persecuting muslims ... and has nothing to do but attacking sharia and our culture

If you ever tried to live in your countries without trying to dominate our lifes and tradition I bet we and you would have a better life

But greed always makes people blind .

Egypt has worse lifestyle and poverity than iran

but USA after iran cuz they have oil and egypt has idiots .



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Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:16pm

hm Daniel

I`m only sad to read such hate.

 

best regards

Peter



Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:31pm
Oil and idiots. Yep. That pretty much covers us all us here in the wild wild
east.

Wafi, Don't be sad. You live in Europe.

Shery baby, Go to bed It's a school night and in Egypt it's after 12 right now.
I know this because last I looked we were are on the same longitude.
Yalah Nimshi   


Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:35pm

Shery

ok, once again. Social enviroment can be worst and a lot of people maybe guilty on this worst situation, but every simple man or woman has his/her own responsibility and it is his/her responsibility to use violance as way of changing something or to try to find peacefull way`s. Maybe a peacefull way a way to accept humiliation, but it is a way without greed, without violance and without getting guilty.

 Please read again Daniels postings, think page 2 of this thread. Look at Daniels HP, click onto Rachels links, read carefully and than, think again about the other side of the world. You should really do it for your personal freedom and peace and to keep peolple like Rachel in memoriam as people who tried to fight against violance and ignorance.

regards

Peter



Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:35pm
Walah Good listener... There's hope.


Posted By: wafi
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:48pm

Daniel

right, I`m living in Europe. And in the moment the falcons in the US, but also in Europe are trying to get the problem solved to lie and to bring the people here to accept an attack to Iran. I think such attack will be the last point to explode the whole area. Of cause I think main problem is that Iran will try to get the bomb, I`m sure, they try to get it. But I`m also sure that bombing this area will not solve the problem, but creates new violance.

 Also I think the violance will come to Europe very soon. Maybe not so hard as in Israel and Palestina, but terrorismn attacks like Madrid or London will increase. Same when violance will increase personal freedom will decrease ... whatever, we are a global world and I think no one can hide from this planet ... not in Europe, not in the States. We have a common problem to organize a common life. 

 

best regards

Peter 



Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 3:50pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1U7qgudyww - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1U7qgudyww

Bush thinks his war on Iraq is just a Joke !



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 2:39am
Originally posted by wafi wafi wrote:

Daniel

right, I`m living in Europe. And in the moment the falcons in the US, but also in Europe are trying to get the problem solved to lie and to bring the people here to accept an attack to Iran. I think such attack will be the last point to explode the whole area. Of cause I think main problem is that Iran will try to get the bomb, I`m sure, they try to get it. But I`m also sure that bombing this area will not solve the problem, but creates new violance.

 Also I think the violance will come to Europe very soon. Maybe not so hard as in Israel and Palestina, but terrorismn attacks like Madrid or London will increase. Same when violance will increase personal freedom will decrease ... whatever, we are a global world and I think no one can hide from this planet ... not in Europe, not in the States. We have a common problem to organize a common life. 

 

best regards

Peter 

Iran iran iran stereotype

why cant iran own a bomb ? israel own one ,,, and many others countries

but because iran has oil and they are muslims and they are strong

the whole world are conspire against them

If europe or USA start a war against iran ... then dont blame but yourself ... and tell you what

Iran god willing will be a true disaster to USA cuz iran is NOT IRAQ .

And you will see inshallah.



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Posted By: hat2010
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 4:38am
"I`m only sad to read such hate."

To play with a New Orleans catchphrase -
"It's not the heat, it's the humidity."

For me, "it's not the hate, it's the st**idity."

However, I sleep better knowing that the wise Brother Daniel D (and
others) understands the difference between Muslims and purulent
antisemites with an immature prefrontal cortex, who, with the Divine's
ham-fisted sense of irony, are also called Muslims.

Shery, there's a line in Good Morning Vietnam that applies to you - I'll let
you do the research - keyword hints are "dire need"

Have a peaceful and non-explosive Sunday, y'all,
JamJam

p.s I wikied this and Shery's fact cleared: "iran is NOT IRAQ "



Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 4:54am

Originally posted by Jamal Morelli Jamal Morelli wrote:

"I`m only sad to read such hate."

To play with a New Orleans catchphrase -
"It's not the heat, it's the humidity."

For me, "it's not the hate, it's the st**idity."

However, I sleep better knowing that the wise Brother Daniel D (and
others) understands the difference between Muslims and purulent
antisemites with an immature prefrontal cortex, who, with the Divine's
ham-fisted sense of irony, are also called Muslims.

Shery, there's a line in Good Morning Vietnam that applies to you - I'll let
you do the research - keyword hints are "dire need"

Have a peaceful and non-explosive Sunday, y'all,
JamJam

p.s I wikied this and Shery's fact cleared: "iran is NOT IRAQ "

 

anyone against what you believe is anti semite

is no problem to nsult me or mocking at me

but its a big deal to dare to open my mouth about jew or christians

 I m not going to look to anything you have mention above

and i have no problem with jew or christian as i clarified millions of times

My problem with those who wants to genocide muslims and islam

 How was it  in colorada it was very bad snow ?



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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 1:17am
Again, it's not about Jews or Christians or Muslims. It's about bad leadership.


Posted By: Usmani
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 2:14am
Who slect the leadership,why they again slect the Bush?So it is not just the lesdership but the majority of people behind them.

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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 2:43am
I didn't vote for him.


Posted By: Fallen
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 1:06am

Is it me or some of these people find English ard to master? I have a hard time deciphering "He hate me" language. Anpther st**id remark by foreigners when they say " Bush is elected therefore, the majority of Americans voted for Bush" How st**id are you? Before ypu make blanket statements about the political system especially the United States, make sure you research "electoral college" and make sure you can firmly grasp how the voter system works.

Can we talk about the advances of Islam than U.S terrorism? If we gonna sink this low let's talk about the primitive nature of Muslim behavior? If, we are gonna get that far I'd like to learn here not bag on countries.



Posted By: Usmani
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 1:11am
Could you please tell us to whom in your country you have voted?so we know about you as well,how good you are.

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Posted By: Usmani
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 1:25am

I am surprized,what kind of system is that, majority of people Voted for Mr. "A" and Mr."B" can also become the president.

Its looks very funny.What kind of democraccy is that?



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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 10:38am
It's called fascism


Posted By: aka2x2
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 11:37am

There have been many types of democracies in this world. American democracy is only one type. Furthermore, democracy does not always produce good results. Hitler was elected to office. Putin was elected to office. Bush/Chaney (whichever is the real president) was elected to office. And finally, Ahmadi-nejad has been elected to office.



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Posted By: Usmani
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 11:59pm

Thanks a lot aka2x2 for your time.If there is any flaw in the electrol system of USA,and if this leading world to disorder, can the people there chagne it for better?

Regards,



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Posted By: Fallen
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 1:11am
Usmani the only way the people can inflict any change are in the laws both federal and local.


Posted By: pauline35
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 3:13am
Wafi said : first of all ... I did not went to occupy any other country, what my grandfather did ... is NOT my responsibility.

You are right because the ORIGINAL SIN which your grandfather did should not be passed down to your generation. However, the Christianity contradicts to this belief.

What Shery preaches is basically very unislamic. Rigidity and violence are not islamic teachings. So is extremism.


Posted By: aka2x2
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 6:19am

The biggest flaw in the American democracy became apparent in the 2000 elections. More people voted for Al Gore than George Bush, yet George went to the white house.

 

This is a constitutional flaw. I doubt if the Americans can fix this flaw any time soon. Constitutions don�t get changed very easily.



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Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 9:19am

Originally posted by pauline35 pauline35 wrote:

Wafi said : first of all ... I did not went to occupy any other country, what my grandfather did ... is NOT my responsibility.

You are right because the ORIGINAL SIN which your grandfather did should not be passed down to your generation. However, the Christianity contradicts to this belief.

What Shery preaches is basically very unislamic. Rigidity and violence are not islamic teachings. So is extremism.

 

pauline and what do i preach ?

What do you want from islam world

to bow more to your world ? well I think theres no time for bowing

I WILL KEEP PREACHING YOU MUSLIM MEN IF YOU DONT WAKE UP NOW
ISLAM WOULD BE YOUR VICTIM

dont believe in what israel and usa say about peace

Everyday they keep doing treaty and killing dozen of palestinians in the name of terrorism

SCREW THE WORLD IS THAT IS JUSTICE >>>

I will keep preaching for that ... and pauline try to stop me if you can.



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Posted By: Usmani
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 10:35pm

Thanks aka2x2 and Fallen for your info.Atleast what the American people can do now is to oppose the gewish influance on their leaders and on the American democraccy.This is the actual cause of their wrong decisions towards the rest of the world,and specilly towards Muslims Nations.

Regards,



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Posted By: pauline35
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 3:09am
Shery warned : SCREW THE WORLD IS THAT IS JUSTICE. I will keep preaching for that ... and pauline try to stop me if you can.

Pauline will not stop Shery from rushing for reincarnation.   



Posted By: pauline35
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 3:36am
Shery asked : pauline and what do i preach? What do you want from islam world? To bow more to your world? well I think theres no time for bowing?

Shery said : I WILL KEEP PREACHING YOU MUSLIM MEN IF YOU DONT WAKE UP NOW ISLAM WOULD BE YOUR VICTIM.

Pauline said :
You preach unislamic value-based. What I want from Islam world? What I want, I will ask from the true Islamist not YOU, unislamist and fanatic.

Islam is about peace, what you preach is contradict to Islam teachings, so to speak. Violence, threat and rigidity or extremism do not come from a true Islamist scholar nor from the Prophet's hadith.

Your threat above in CAP letters, warned Islam would be Muslims' victim! What cult are you in? Are you being misguided by a cultist?

Islam as a religion as I know, does not condone senseless acts of violence nor avenging death against innocent peoples.

Because of your mentality in portraying yourself as true Muslim who admires violences and threats, at worst are regarded as a hotbed for fanatical, irrational Islam, a haven for raising suicide bombers, a factory for producing weapons of mass destruction.

Therefore, you disgrace the Islamic community and your ancestors who held justice upright and righteousness in the name of Islam.


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 7:21am

Originally posted by pauline35 pauline35 wrote:

Shery asked : pauline and what do i preach? What do you want from islam world? To bow more to your world? well I think theres no time for bowing?

Shery said : I WILL KEEP PREACHING YOU MUSLIM MEN IF YOU DONT WAKE UP NOW ISLAM WOULD BE YOUR VICTIM.

Pauline said :
You preach unislamic value-based. What I want from Islam world? What I want, I will ask from the true Islamist not YOU, unislamist and fanatic.

Islam is about peace, what you preach is contradict to Islam teachings, so to speak. Violence, threat and rigidity or extremism do not come from a true Islamist scholar nor from the Prophet's hadith.

Your threat above in CAP letters, warned Islam would be Muslims' victim! What cult are you in? Are you being misguided by a cultist?

Islam as a religion as I know, does not condone senseless acts of violence nor avenging death against innocent peoples.

Because of your mentality in portraying yourself as true Muslim who admires violences and threats, at worst are regarded as a hotbed for fanatical, irrational Islam, a haven for raising suicide bombers, a factory for producing weapons of mass destruction.

Therefore, you disgrace the Islamic community and your ancestors who held justice upright and righteousness in the name of Islam.

 

Again I m not imam

I wont preach for peace and I wont preach for islam

I m preaching muslims to wake up from their comma

our islamic world is collapsing and your words is just mirage to me

And say what you want about me or about islam

Your opinion doesnt count.



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Posted By: USA1
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Shery Shery wrote:

Everyone should notice that when USA turn against a country such as iran , syria lebanon ... or even when they get mad from egypt for something
the terrorism start to appear in this country that they start to turn against it

Its like a warning messages to Mubarak .. dont try to mess with us we can just bomb anywhere anytime .. ( bear in your mind that Taba was one of the most secured areas in egypt and egyptian intelligence are everywhere there and they successed to bomb it ) !!!!

that was a example for egypt .

Lets look at lebanon .. since they start to get mad of syria they successed to kick syria out of course with the aid of the betrayers as the ALgameyal family and gumblat and the snake head jaajaa

Iraq they took it down and they are trying to benefit from all the chaos there

And now if Iran is the threat of the world ... why would any terrorism happened there ? unless they are the one who are standing against terrorism which is the terrorism of USA and Israel

So now the turn of iran to face the pharoa of USA !

Its so clear to any wise person that the one who lead middle east to a real chaos is USA ... even dragging israel into that

And as I said before israeli has a lot of ambitious and of course they wouldnt mind any chaos as long as it wouldnt harm israel ! and the interest of israel in middle east ...

When they bombed sharm el sheikh they destroyed a hotel named ( ghazala ) owned by egyptians and exactly beside this hotel theres a gambling casino owned by a jew ... nothing happened to it

Is that clarify anything to anyone ????????????????

Today in teheran they are trying to weaken iran from inside to be able to attack it while they are too busy with their internal terrorist ...

Which this is the exact CIA style ... lets fund those who hates the current regime in any country we want to fell ....... as iraq of course ..........

And Now after they failed to start a war against iran .... they are trying to give iran hard time ....


Iran and every single muslim who has faith and dignity will understand your failure strategy.
 
Facts in these countries and the U.S policies announcements confirm ur opinion in this matters, plus it is quite clear now that this is what is going on, no secret anymore and does not need super brains to see through it..
Give in to uncle Sam, or face the consequences.....options are wide open, take ur pick or let uncle sam do it for u....
Sanctions..
sectarian fights
Direct invasion
Israel semi-direct invasion
US-israel direct invasion
Tyrants rulers.....this option is not sufficient lately for the liking of the U.S
IED's, and regular conventional bombs...
Since uncle sam promotes democracy and abide by it in his actions, u are given the choice to pick between these options, plus u can mix between them...

 

It's never the fault of Islam or Muslims is it? It's always someone elses fault.

Get real, the whole world is watching.



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Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 10:17am
Originally posted by USA1 USA1 wrote:

 

It's never the fault of Islam or Muslims is it? It's always someone elses fault.

Get real, the whole world is watching.

 

Yes of course even your katrina is muslim terrorist attack

get your *** off middle east ... or you will enjoy more from this katrina inshallah.



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Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 10:22am

Everyone,

It is very important to read the guidelines and also warning threads in many sections before posting anything:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4589&PN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4589& ;PN=1

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6073&PN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6073& ;PN=1

Peace



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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13



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