Iraqi Police attack civilians
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Topic: Iraqi Police attack civilians
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Subject: Iraqi Police attack civilians
Date Posted: 10 October 2006 at 6:23am
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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem Watch this video of Iraq's "police" (or Thugs) beating up and shooting a civilian: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KJswTf3Rteg - http://youtube.com/watch?v=KJswTf3Rteg http://youtube.com/watch?v=0PUX9bccom8 - What is the job of the Police? To protect and serve the people of that country. What is the job of the "New Iraqi Government's Police" ? To protect and serve the Occupation, and their own desires. These so-called "Police" go around beating, shooting and killing anyone they want, and obeying orders given to them by the American military and their puppet "Iraqi" Government. They all carry guns meaning that they are infact not really different from the military. They are simply called "Iraqi police" so that they would be counted as civilians (since "Police" are considered to be Civilian). So on the news you may hear "insurgents killed 10 civilians" when infact, 10 from the Iraqi Police Force have been killed while fighting the Iraqi resistance. |
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Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 11 October 2006 at 1:24pm
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Sawtul, you have a twisted interpretation of events, and even of the
Koran. You are urging us here on the forum to believe the Taliban don�t kill civilians, and that Al Q�aida should be supported. In two posts here, you have written that Moslems dying in Iraq deserve to die, especially since they work for the American sponsored government. Previously you tried to portray Hezbollah as an Israeli/CIA sponsored movement, as it had failed to destroy the state of Israel. To sum up your position: you are a Taliban/Al Q�aida supporter, (we have yet to hear your twisted view of Hamas,) and you applaud the killing of Moslems who work for American-sponsored regimes. You believe the Iraqi police are being trained and depoyed only to kill fellow Iraqis: �These so-called "Police" go around beating, shooting and killing anyone they want, and obeying orders given to them by the American military and their puppet "Iraqi" Government. They all carry guns meaning that they are infact not really different from the military� Here, you chose to ignore the fact that most police services throughout the world, serve their governments. And you clumsily try to show us how most news reports of incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan are not telling the truth, (do you think we are THAT na�ve?) painting your own picture, based on your bias towards Moslems fighting other Moslems, so long as they are �apostates�. You choose questionable news sources, such as Yahoo or Khaleej Times and quote them for your purpose. Thus, in the report of a recent food poisoning of iraqi police, you choose to quote an agent of the same government you blame for killing Iraqis under US orders: �Some of the policemen began bleeding from the ears and nose after the meal, said Jassim al-Atwan, an inspector for the Environment Ministry, who was serving as a liaison in the investigation between the Health Ministry and the base, located in the town of Numaniyah.� Since you are in Iran, why don�t you find us some news sources closer to base? Otherwise, try independent sources such as alternet.org, truthout.org, informationclearinghouse.com, or dahrjamailiraq.com There are several more who, like you, believe the Iraqi and Afghan governments are US puppets, but they don�t believe the best way to fight them is by suicide bombing women and children in an attempt to make a point , or by cutting the throats of journalists and government workers. I don�t know if your mother knows the kind of stupid things you are posting these days, but I do know that if she knew, she would be deeply ashamed and angry with you. And I don�t know what your father has done to deserve such a foolish son. It seems to me you have not gained anything in your attempts to whip up support for the Taliban and Al Q�aida, people here are ignoring you, most Moslems quite ashamed of your ignorance and foolishness, and not many bothering to reply to your posts. And do you think this is good dawah? |
Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 11 October 2006 at 2:01pm
Wow Duende, I'm stunned. 
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 11 October 2006 at 2:33pm
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Assalamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullah
I Never said Muslim Iraqis deserve to die, I said the apostates who join the army, or the so called "police force" deserve the punishment of Allah. Apostates are Not Muslims, and there is no doubt that they will enter Jahannam, so I see no reason why I cant speak against them.
Hahhaha, I gave a lot of reasons for that, not that they simply "failed to destroy Israel", but because they didnt even attempt to do this, even though they claim they want to do it. If you want to argue with me about Hezbushaytan, then do so in the appropriate thread please.
Well according to the Quran, they are Not Muslims. You are not arguing with me on this, youre arguing with Allah.
Ofcourse, but these guys dont just serve the puppet Government, but even take direct orders from US forces and fight alongside them against Muslims
apparently you are...
ehhh, that's the whole point. If they themselves admit it, then it's more likely to have happened!
I dont either. Infact, if you read my other posts (which you admit you have) then you must have read that Im against the killing of civilians, and I gave a few reasons why I believe the Taliban and al-Qaeda do not kill civilians, or why I think some of the beheading videos are fakes.
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Duende wrote:Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 8:22am
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Sawtul, you seem to me to be terribly confused. You give the
impression of saying one thing, yet claim to be saying another (supporting Al Q'aida, then saying you don't etc.) What is the point in trying to show how some propaganda is fake, and not another? Many here on this forum have a very good sense of the fake and fabricated and of propaganda. That's why we don't pay you much attention. I chose to respond because I am fed up with giving the impression, by not responding, of swallowing your tripe. As regards apostasy, it is a very sensitive and I think complex issue and I don't think you are qualified to decide who has committed such a thing. You seem to believe the mere act of getting a job within Iraq these days, deserves Allah's punishment for apostasy. You think so many hundreds of Iraqi's, who have no other choice, who line up to take the only paying jobs that are going i.e. army, police, government positions, deserve to experience Allah's punishment? Irtidad is the act in which a Moslem abandons Islam. Are you sure these unsuspecting police in Iraq are consciously denying Islam by getting a job? Are you suggesting that rather than try to support their families with a paid job, they should instead take up arms against their neighbours and cousins who do take those jobs? or do you think they could find a job doing something else, say, cleaning up after suicide bombs, working at the morgue, or maybe working at the local oil well? Where does your definition of an apostate of Islam leave the millions who died fighting Moslems in the Iran-Iraq war? In your use of the Yahoo news item quoting a government 'liaison officer' (smells iffy to me) you say this makes the news more likely to be true, when in fact it makes it LESS likely. This man's �position� is tenuous, even if it actually existed, and few with such lack lustre positions can resist the chance to take the limelight by making scandalous comments which, after all, sell newspapers and guarantee you'll be in the limelight for the time it takes to record your lies. The proof of this is the fact that no other serious, experienced news site (Reuters, EFE etc.) has quoted him. Only the gullible and eager to be titivated, like yourself. If I had the impression you were against the killing of civilians, I would not have bothered posting. If Ak-m-f found your position on the death�s of Iraqis clear, he would not have told you his opinion of you, one which all of us share, by the way. It is precisely because you give the impression of supporting the Taliban's killing of civilians etc, and here you have given the impression of applauding the deaths of Iraqis, that I have decided to post a response. I do not support the twisted view of Islam that most non-Moslems in the West receive through their media, and which twisted Moslems such as yourself, are encouraging. If you wish to continue giving visitors to this site, and those of us who participate, the impression that Islam is a non- forgiving, fundamentalist, hate filled and violent religion than you will be shunned. |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 8:43pm
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 13 October 2006 at 3:51pm
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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem 1- We are talking about the apostate POLICE in Iraq, not the Taliban. Hanan, you are once again trying to ruin the thread by changing the topic. 2- The Taliban never forbade women from studying, they simply refused to build any new schools for girls, and this has already been discussed on the appropriate threads before. 3- Since Hanan calls the Taliban Unbelievers (Kafirs) then that would mean that either he is a Kafir, or the Taliban are. Because the Prophet (pbuh) said in an Authentic and very well known Hadith that if you accuse someone of being a Kafir, then at least one of the two is a Kafir. Hence, if the Taliban are Muslims, then Hanan is a Kafir. And I believe that the Taliban are Muslims... |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 13 October 2006 at 5:45pm
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 14 October 2006 at 3:36pm
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Im simply saying that when you want to post something about Taliban, post in a thread about the Taliban (there are many). I didnt "censor" you (even if I wanted to I couldnt). Is it so hard to talk about IRAQI POLICE on this thread, and talk about the Taliban on a thread about TALIBAN ?!!?
Well that's because you didnt make any sensible points. You simply made baseless accusations against them. Ofcourse, another reason was that this thread is Not about Taliban, which is why I didnt bother refuting or arguing with you on these points. [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 9:48am
what??
baseless, like...?
-------------  ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 10:00am
youtube??? you picked something from youtube.com
anyone they want??
ALL police carry guns when on duty.
police in iraq are considered civilians ?
your back up resources for this, are ?? ------------- ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 10:11am
Yes. There are even reports of shiah death squads joining the "Police" so that they can carry guns and kill sunni civilians, and also to torture sunni prisoners.
First of all these guys carry all sort of guns, so how are they any different from the army ? Secondly, not all police carry guns, for instance, in Britain they dont.
Yes Police are always considered "civilians", in Iraq and elsewhere.
What do you mean? You want me to show a report saying that 10 civilians were killed ? Because the news dont say 10 Police were killed, they say 10 civilians were killed. If they did then that would be missing the whole point! Because the purpose is to make people think that ordinary civilians are being killed every time police or spies are killed, so they obviously wont tell you that they were Police. |
Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 10:52am
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where on earth are you getting your information ? Please tell me how did the british police shoot that young brazilian guy who the police thought was carrying a bomb in his backpack, if they don't carry guns ?? In my country police carry guns at all times when on duty, better watch out when you come here
You should put the above in the conspiracy theory section if its just the police a.k.a civilians then there would be no police left. And then there would not be any reports everyday i see on insurgents killing civilians anymore, ------------- ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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oops police.Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 12:02pm
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That's only in special occasions. Most of the time, most of them dont carry weapons.
When the Americans kill civilians they obviously are not killing the Police. Im talking about when the resistance are reported to have killed "civilians". Very often, these "civilians" are the Police force, or spies, or politicians etc. Ofcourse there are also many cases when the US military kill civilians and blame it on al-Qaeda, and this is NOT conspiracy theory, there have been many such cases even the Haditha Massacares that we all now know were carried out by US military were originally blamed on the "insurgents" (resistance). |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 10:56pm
Hey! Sawtul's found his nemesis 
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 1:36am
lol! I think I need to check in with my British friend and see what he say
sorry, but it sounds like you are making up claims/explanations. It does not sound like fact! ------------- ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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