The final Frontier
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Topic: The final Frontier
Posted By: Israfil
Subject: The final Frontier
Date Posted: 12 April 2005 at 4:21pm
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It is possible for Muslims to say that within the Judaic-Christian
system lies the inevitable truth of God's influence upon the adherents of both Judaism and Christianity. The spiritual context which exist in the New Testament shows god's consistent mercy upon the people in the time of Jesus and as truth of this perhaps in his mercy God would sacrifice himself (or uses a human subject) for the purpose of mercy. This being the primordial basis for Christian thought leads Christians into a more spiritual based life. Or how about the Jews and their commandments? over 112 of those Jews must adhere to but the prime understanding of such laws are meant for believers to be ever mindful of God. Or what about the Sikhs? The understanding of the Sikh religion is for one to contemplate the nature and love of god through the stories of Gurus told in the beatific sounds of hymns in harmony. The same can be said about Hindus whose millions of gods reflect the various aspects of God so long as the believer apprehends them. Each belief in respect to their spirituality holds some evident truth of God's mercy and influence on culture. Of course in the mind of Muslims each belief may not reflect the entire truth of God, but the truth is, is that man cannot absolutely apprehend truth in itself. Mankind can only apprehend so mucnh what the mental capacity can hold and everything else is left for translation. Even Muslims too, sometimes are "lost in translation." When we speak of historical truth such statements are relevent. Humankind has always struggles to know the truth and soemtimes this struggule may lead others away from the spiritual path to knowing truth. On this note the famous quote can be made here: "All truth is God's truth." Is this correct? I highly doubt it. because all truth which also encompasses the denial of God is not related to the truth of God, but the fact that one can freely make such a statement to say "there is no God" is very much relevant to the spiritual laws that exist within the monotheistic traditions. I believe each monotheistic and even some polytheistic faiths represent to some small extent of truth of God, and the adherents the examples of that truth. Of course the adherents of faith not always uphold the principles of God on a truthful and rightous basis, but all it takes are the ones who are rightous, who are merciful and who are the ones that sit and contemplate the laws of God as they should be thought of. I do believe that Islam as it is meant, is the assimilation of those truths no matter how minute the principles may seem usually reflect the spiritual truth--which is Islam. Islam is "God's truth" for everything believer or noit, submits to something whether its scientific or not. I see many Muslims here and abroad use social and political issues to divide the Abrahamic faiths. but for a solution I would like to see Muslims extend their faith and try to bridge to other faiths regardless the difference for as we Muslims believe Allah is the Lord of all creation whether his creation rejects him or not because, to me, this is true understanding. |
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 2:43am
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Great post brother They are in fact just a continuation of one string of faith. All, even Hinduism in its actual essence, (if we just go past the practices set in by deviations of say something like over 4,000 years) and of course also Sikhism. I was raised with a proper reading of Gita, Torah, Bible and then the Koran followed by the Garanth saheb - the Sikh book. I had to. For one my father was a real mad character who loved the entire universe and never followed any organised religion. Secondly, I needed to know and understand my followers better - they belong to all these strings. I have loved loving and being loved by the entire universe since. |
Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 9:53pm
| I think it is a great post too, may i suggest to you to read "The way to peace in Jerusalem" which i posted on the middle east forum? |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 1:03am
| Yaar Community I have read that one. It still needs deciphering. Could you please mail me the code? |
Posted By: Khadija1021
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 1:22pm
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Assalamu Alaikum,
Whisper, would you please clearly explain what you mean by "I needed to know and understand my followers better" from the above quote? I could assume this means that you are some kind of leader and not simply that your want to understand the religions of this world, however, since I am not one for trying to make assumptions so freely, I would greatly appreciate it if you would clarify your statement. Thank you! PAZ, Khadija ------------- Say: 'My prayer and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds. (Qur'an, 6:162) |
Whisper wrote:Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 2:56pm
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I would suggest to all to read the following article in view of brother Israfil's article. Probably he may also get some good food for thought for his book as well. Here is the link http://www.islamicissues.info/essays/kzaheer/following%20islam/religious_tolerance_an_islamic_perspective.html - http://www.islamicissues.info/essays/kzaheer/following%20isl am/religious_tolerance_an_islamic_perspective.html
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Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 11:29pm
Israfil - greetings. If there is no truth that is outside of God - if God encompasses all truth - then there would be no truth that encompasses the denial of God and so the orginal statement, "All truth is God's truth" would hold. Simply because I can say "there is no God" does not make it so. Just because I can say "2 + 2 = 5" does not make it true. That I can say these false things is a fact, a truth. But the content of what I am saying is still false. ------------- Bruce Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. |
Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 11:37pm
Israfil - I think that beyond contemplating the laws of God, believers need to follow them (you are probably implying this.) Following them involves actions and sometime involves sacrifice. ------------- Bruce Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. |
Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 11:41pm
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Sorry - posted twice.. ------------- Bruce Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 16 July 2005 at 7:55am
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Paz y luz Khadija, Anjuman e Khaliqia is 2.2 million strong community going since 1751 - across Afghanistan, India & Pakistan. It was more of a race relations exercise after Ahmad Shah Abdal's incursion into the Panjaub. My ancestor disagreed with the tall, light skinned agile Afghans' treatment of the local population. He packed in his sword, his uniform and resigned his position of the Afghan Pro-Consul of that area and, wandered the wilderness. He returned and preached equality of humans of every single kind. The Foundation teaches all shades of people in their own religious flavours. It has 28 schools with Affection centres (not called orphanages) and a university should be commissioned this October. |