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REVELATION 12, THE UNIVERSAL PROPHET

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Date Posted: 30 July 2015 at 2:44am
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Chapter 4

REVELATION 12,

THE UNIVERSAL PROPHET AND THE COMING OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

As we know the book of revelation was a vision of prophesy to John but it bear the name of Jesus (S), it mentioned:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:� (Rev. 1:1)

In the verse above it stated that God Almighty gave Jesus (S) the revelation and that would be in Heaven. However, there is no such record in Islam that Jesus (S) received revelation in Heaven. It may be God Almighty wants us to acknowledge this vision as a revelation sent to Jesus (S).

However, Jesus (S) always received revelation from God Almighty, it mentioned in John 12:49:

For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." (John 12:49)

That Book of revelation is a word of prophecy of things to come to pass in the future:

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the �words of this prophecy�, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.� (Rev. 1:3); God give unto him to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass�� (Rev. 1:1)

Chapter12 of the book of Revelation is a very interesting, it deals with the coming of a �man child� who will rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival then �Salvation and the Kingdom of God� will come (And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of ironNow comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10.) This would be after the demise of Jesus (S). What makes it so interesting is Allah (S) mentioned that He had sent Muhammad (S) as a universal Messenger:

We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know not.� (Quran. 34:28).

However, Christian�s commentator claimed that this is a prophecy of Jesus (S) I will examine it and see if Jesus (s) really fulfilled it or Muhammad (s). In verse 1, 2 and 5 it mentioned:

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered�5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.   (Rev. 12:1-5)

 

THE WOMAN REPRESENTS THE CHURCH

First we have to find out who this woman is or what she represents? According to some Christian�s Scholars the woman represents the �church� and some says the woman represents the �Jewish�s nation� and the man child is Jesus (S).

If we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and Rev.11 verse 4 both tied into each other and it reflects the meaning of the �WOMAN� as the Church. It mentioned:

�And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)

�And to the woman were given two wingsthat she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14)

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev. 11:3-4)

The evidence that the woman represents the church is that the woman was given �two wings� and fled into the wilderness for 1,260 days where the same period also reflect in Rev. 11:4. Those �two wings� were describe as two witnesses, the two olive trees and two candles stick; and the Candlesticks represent churches:

��the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)

So, we can conclude that the �woman� represents the �Church�! Also if we go to Revelation 19 and read verse 7-9 we would recognize that the woman represents the church. It mentioned:

�Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.� (Rev. 19:7-8)

The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came fromher and she� which is referring to the �church� when the church would have well established for the coming of the Messiah. So we can see from that proof the �woman� represents the �Church� and not the Jewish�s nation. Also, woman represents a �great city�:

�And the woman which thou saws is that great city�� (Rev. 17:18).

 Meaning the Church will also become a Great city. The reason why some Christian�s commentator says the woman represent the Jewish�s nation is because in many place in the Old Testament they (Jewish nation) were address as a woman; but that is because the �church� was with them.

After establishing that, I will look at the �man child�, who he is. Is this man child really Jesus (s) as was claimed by the Christian�s commentators? Or is he the universal prophet that mentioned in the Qur�an?

In Revelation 12: 3 to 5 mentioned:

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.�  (Rev. 12:3-5)

 

WHO IS THE MAN CHILD MENTIONED IN REV. 12?

As I have established before the �woman� represents the �church�. That would mean this man child was to come and establish the church universally to all nations and the Devil will tried to kill him but would failed in the attempt and he (the man child) would be caught up unto God.

Now, first point:

 If Rev.12 was about Jesus (S) present time in the past where Jesus (S) was ascended to Heaven then that does not add up because Rev.12:5 mentioned:

�And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron...�

Jesus (S) didn�t fulfill that; he did not even rule the Jews!

Second point:

If this man child is Jesus (S) and Christians believe he is God then it doesn�t add up knowing they believe he died in flesh, they believe he is man (flesh) and God (spirit). How did he caught up unto God? Which part went up the man or God? The verse mentioned:

MAN CHILD� and HER CHILD was caught up unto God�.

It didn�t say God (the spirit) caught up unto God the Father! Simple question will suffice for asking Christians, is Jesus (S) went up in Heaven as a man or God? If he went up as a man then he is not God and if he went up as God as they believe then he did not fulfilled that prophesy.

Third point:

The book of Revelation is a vision of prophesy of future things to come:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass�� (Rev. 1:1)

So Rev. 12 is not about Jesus (S)! The reason for that is because it is a prophecy of future things Jesus (S) was already in Heaven after the crucifixion according to Christians believes.

Fourth point:

In his second coming when he would have ascended to God�s Throne would the Jewish�s nation fled into the wilderness or they would be his sheep and he would be their King? It doesn�t add up. Why the woman (the Jewish�s nation as some Christian�s commentators claimed) fled in to the wilderness for a thousand two hundred and threescore days when all nee supposed to bow in his second coming? If in his second coming he will ascend to God�s Throne why come when he is already on the throne?

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)

Fifth point:

In his second coming according to Revelation 19 he will not caught up unto God and the Jewish nation will not fled into the wilderness. His second coming according to revelation 19:11, 19-21 he will come with his army to expose all false religion, destroy the Devil (Beast) and his army and cast them into the lake of fire, In Revelation 19:11. It mentioned:�he will wage war in righteousness� Is there any such thing as righteous war or holy war? Is that Jihad against the devil?

�And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true.  And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (Rev. 19:11)

�And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Rev. 19: 19-21)

 On the other hand Revelation 12: 3-5 mentioned:

�And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne�.  (Rev. 12:3-5)

That man child is not a prophecy of Jesus (S)! We see clearly that Jesus (S) did not fulfilled revelation 12. The Man child who was to rule all nations, he is the universal Prophet who brought the universal book which mentioned in Rev.10 and 14:6-7 which I have already explain in chapter 3, he was the one who brought the universal book and he died and caught up unto God and to his throne; he is not Jesus (S) as the Christian�s Scholars had claimed.

In fact Jesus (s) was sent to the lost tribes of the house of Israel. It�s all in the writings, it�s mentioned as follows:

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10)

He said: �For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. (Matt. 18:11)

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matt. 15:24)

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:5-6)

�He came unto his own, and his own received him not.� (John 1:11)

Quran conforms:

And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message)� (Quran. 3:48-49)

Jesus (s) mission to the children of Israel was to fulfill the laws for them and inform them of the coming kingdom which is a new law to come, it is in Matthew 5:18-19 and 10:5:

He said: �For verily I say unto you (Israelites), Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.� "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven..."(Matthew 5:18-19)

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.� (Matthew 10:5-6)

Quran conforms:

"'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. (Quran 3:50)

And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message)� (Quran. 3:48-49)

The kingdom of heaven is the Kingdom of God and the time is at hand for it arrival. Jesus told them:

�... saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel�. (Mark: 1:14)

It says: ��The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe� Believe what? Believe the good news of the kingdom of God is at hand. This is what Jesus (S) was preaching, it was for you to �REPENT� and believe the �Good News� of the coming of God�s Kingdom on earth and Revelation 12 later on put it in context.

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ� (Rev. 12:5-10).


http://www.islamicity.comSee%20fuller%20explanation%20is%20in%20chapter%203 - - A fuller explanation in Chapter 3:

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This is just a brief reminder how the Kingdom of God would come:

At the time of Jesus (S) his disciples thought that the kingdom of God would come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� (Luke 17:20)

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)

The �grain of mustard seed� is a �message, the word of God to come� [Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God�. (Luke 8:11)], and the �man� is the one who will deliver that message. What is more important is this �man child� would come from another nation because Jesus (S) informed us that the Kingdom of God which is the word of God would be taken away from the Israelites and given to another nation (See Chapter 4 for full explanation of rev 12), he informed us when he said:

�Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)

Jesus (S) spoke of this man child in John 3:13 It is mentioned:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13).

Jesus (S) was the Son of man and was �on the earth�; he then spoke of another Son of man which is �IN HEAVEN�

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He was described as �another comforter� John 14; 16 who will guide mankind into �all the truth� John 16:12-13, the disciples knew of him it mentioned in 1John. 4. It mentioned:

�Beloved, believes not every spirit, but tries the spirits whether they are of God because many false prophets are gone out into the world.� (1John 4:1)

Simple explanation will suffice. It says: �believe not every spirit�. How do we �believe�? We cannot believe if we do not listen and heard the spirit, correct? We have to listen and hear the spirit to believe. Now, the verse continues: �but try the spirits whether they are of God.� How do we try the Spirit? By questioning him, and that is not my opinion, V.2 conforms it: �2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:�

The Spirit has to �confess� and if he �confesses� that would mean we have to listen to him. Now, let us go back to V.1 it says: �because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Why �gone out into the world�? Because, �into the world� you have to go and look! And what you have to look for? It says: �Because many false prophets are gone out.� The opposite of false prophet is what? True Prophet!!!

Muhammad (S) is the one who fulfilled revelation 12, He is the one who brought the universal message to Govern all mankind. It mentioned in the Quran:

We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know not.� (Qur. 34:28).

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of ironNow comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10)

To be continue

Br. Zainool







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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 30 July 2015 at 3:13am

THE RED DRAGON

If Muhammad (S) fulfilled revelation 12 then who or what is this �Red dragon�?

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.�  (Rev. 12:3-5) 

The great red dragon represents the Pagan Empire; the seven head represent Seven Empire each with a king. The enemy of the church at that time is the Sixth Empire and it was mentioned in Rev. 17:10.

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come (Rev. 17:10)

At the time of this prophesies in Rev. 17:10 five Empire has fallen and one exists (The Pagan Empire) at the time of this prophecy and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) was yet to come. The Pagans wage war against the Roman Christians (people of the Book at that time) and defeated them, then the Roman�s Christian (the people of the Book at that time) under Heracles defeated the Persian Empire in March 628. After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur�an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness and then there were overpower by Islam in 638 (Rapid expansion of Islam). Islam took Heracles by surprise 565�717. They then became the seventh Empire (British empire).

Allah revealed to Muhammad (S)

�The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persians).� (N.Q. 30:2-4)

The woman which is the church that Great City fled into the wilderness and that is Paran (Arabia) Gen. 21:21, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they Pilgrims should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)

That is 1260 years according to the scripture each day represent a year; and that is the same period Islam rule the world. It mentioned:

"After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise."  (Numbers 14:34)

The woman were given two wings is the church (Islam) �split in two� and fled into the wilderness of Paran and the serpent is the great red dragon which represents the crusaders. Now, we have two wings (Sunney and Shia) of the one church (Islam) and it was describe as �two witness� in Revelation 11:3-4. Both fled into the wilderness the same period 1260 yrs.

�And to the woman were given two wingsthat she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14;)

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev. 11:3-4);

 �the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)

Two groups of from the same church:

Abu Hurayrah said, �The Prophet (S) said, �The Hour will not come until the following events have come to pass: two large groups will fight one another, and there will be many casualties; they will both be following the same religious teaching� Knowledge will disappear, earthquake will increase, time will pass quickly, affliction will appear, and Harj (i.e. killing) will increase. Wealth will increase�People will compete in constructing high building�the sun will rise from the west; When it rises and people see it, the will believe, but, �no good will it do a soul to believe then, if he believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith��(al-An am 6:158; Bukhari, kitab al-Fitan,9/74)

The Dragon is the false church and is one the same source with the Beast; both have seven heads and ten horns and the false church will carry the beast 666.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. (Rev. 12:3)

I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (Rev. 17:3)

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev. 17:11)

At the time of this prophesies in Rev. 17:10 five Empire has fallen and one exists (The Pagan Empire) at the time of this prophecy and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) is yet to come which is the seventh Empire (the British Empire) and from the seventh will come the eight, it will appears in the fourth corner of the earth. It was prophesy in Rev. 6:7-8:

And when he had open the forth seal�a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the west), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. (Rev. 6:7-8)

The Global Freemasonry which is under the banner �Crusaders led by Pope Urban II in 1095, he manage to mobilize France England Germany and Italy to persecute the woman, the church that great city. Who are they today? They Rothschild Zionism (AIPAC) who set up this man made world system.

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 30 July 2015 at 3:16am
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The Crown of twelve stars represents the twelve prince of the Ishmaelite:

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

as for Ishmael�twelve prince shall he beget; I will make him a great nation. (Gen. 17:20)

Now, let�s look again at revelation 12:5-10 it mentioned:

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ�� (Rev. 12:5-10).

Important to note:

�SALVATION!� Salvation is not by blood because it comes after the demise of Jesus (S), so, this verse is a contradiction in Revelation 12:11 �And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,� (Rev 12:11)

It also mentioned: �Now come�the power of Christ�

Note: It says �power of Christ�. And not Christ! In the book of Habakkuk it mentioned who will bring salvation. I quote:

��And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. He stood and measured the earth�he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting�at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the anointed� (Habakkuk. 3:3-13(KJV)

None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran.

�And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran� (Genesis 21:21)

It is the Holy One from Mt. Paran will bring �Salvation�; and Muhammad (S) is the descendant of Ishmael. See how all the message fall in context? Jesus (s) also told the Jews the Kingdom of God would be taken away from them.

�Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)

The stone Jesus (S) spoke of was a �message�. If you reject Jesus (S) you automatically reject his �message� of the coming kingdom of God; and that message which is the coming kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews and given to another nation, and it would bare fruits and be �MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES�, and no other message would be able destroy it and where ever the message establish it will prevail over all other message (man-made law). Sure Jesus (S) is not the stone because he is not marvelous in our eyes; the nation that fulfilled that is no other than Ishmaelite Abraham�s (S) seeds, the God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation, it mentioned in Genesis 17: 20.

�And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis 17:20)

It mentioned in Luke:

 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29)



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Jesus said: ��BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNEW THEM.� (Matt. 7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES.

The power of his Christ           

Note: It says �power of Christ�. What is the Power of Christ? This would have mean Jesus (S), correct? But it is not. I have already established it is not him. How do we explain that? The Verse didn�t say the man child is Christ; it says, the �Power� of Christ and not Christ:

�And she (the woman which is the church) brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ� (Rev. 12:10).

What is his power? It is the arrival of the Kingdom of God and Kingdom of God is also the �rod of iron� it was prophesied by Jesus (S).

This is the power of Christ, He said:

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken�� (Matt.  21:44)

As I have explained Matthew 21:42-43 that the stone represent the message which is the kingdom of God and it would be taken away from the Jews and given to another nation and that message will bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes. So, when it mentioned, whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken�� That would mean no other message would be able to destroy it (the final message/ the Kingdom of God). That is the Power of Christ!

He will rule all nations with the rod of iron

What is the rod of iron? The rod of iron is also the kingdom of God, which is the final message. He will rule them with the final message, the Kingdom of God. The verse continues:

��Whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder� (Matt. 21:44)

That is the rod of iron! In other words, the message will prevail over all other messages, that is the establishment of the true message of Jesus Christ (s) the kingdom of God on earth, Islam. Allah (s) said:

�It is He (God Almighty) who has sent His Messenger [Muhamed (S)] with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) that He may make it prevail over all religions and enough is Allah for a witness.�  (Quran 48:28)

You see that? It shows how the Christian�s commentators does twist the scriptures to fit Jesus (s). I will briefly touch on the last couple of verses, verse 15 o 17 of rev. 12.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. (Rev. 12:15)

Water represent �people� Rev. 17:15

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (Rev .17:15)

That would mean, the Crusaders that is known today as Zionist Crusader send out their missionaries to convert the people of the church. But verse 16 tells us what happen when they did that.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. (Rev. 12:16)

How the earth help the woman which is the church? It is the wealth (oil) of the earth caught their attention and they go after that so they cannot make war with the church that great city because they want the wealth (oil for printed papers).

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev. 12:17)

And the crusader became angry because they cannot make war directly with the church that great city in the wilderness [And to the woman were given two wingsthat she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14)]. So they went after her the remnant of her seed (e.g. Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc.) and make war, which keep the commandments of God, the universal message, the kingdom of God and true teaching of Jesus Christ.

     The explanations I have put forward here make Muhammad (S) fit revelation 12 like a glove. I have established that the �woman� mentioned in revelation 12 is the Church and the church is with the Muslims, and the man child who was to rule all nation is the universal prophet and he is no other than Muhammad (S) and I establish that Jesus (S) did not fulfilled that prophecy. One of the main points is the coming of the Kingdom of God that Jesus (S) preaches, He said: I must preach kingdom of God to the other cities also, BECAUSE FOR THIS PURPOSE I HAVE BEEN SENT" Luke 4:43 NKIV. And I have established that the Kingdom of God is a message and when that man child who was to rule all nations would have come then the kingdom of God and Salvation would come.

To be continue...

Br. Zainool





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Date Posted: 30 July 2015 at 3:19am
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THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND THE DEVIL�S INFILTRATION

Jesus (s) tells us who Christians is really following:

Let�s look at Matthew 13: 24-30 where Jesus (S) Prophesy the coming of the kingdom of God in parable and the devil infiltration.

It is mentioned in Matthew24

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many�. (Matthew 24:4-5)

Did Muhammad (S) come in Jesus (S) name and say I am Christ? No! Did the Angel that spoke to Muhammad (S) claim that he is Jesus (S)? No!

Let us look at Paul encounter:

Acts 9:1-8

1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (Acts 9:1-5)

What Jesus (S) said? He said:

�For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.�  (Matthew 24:5)

Note: Paul never met Jesus (S) and he said: �he saw a light� and �heard a voice� and the voice claimed, �he is Jesus.� What is most striking is the divine word the voice mentioned is: �it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.� (Acts 9:1-8 KJV). Is that a word from God or the Devil?

Jesus (s) prophesied the devil would also have a message here to deceive the world. Remember in Matthew 6:31-32 it mentioned:

The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)

And I�ve explained that, the �grain of mustard seed� is �a message the word of God [Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God� (Luke 8:11)] and �the man� is �the one who will delivered that message�. Well the enemy which is the Devil also sowed a seed, he also will have a message that people will follow; both message will run parallel, Jesus (S) prophecy it in Matthew 13:24-39.

24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:�

25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 �But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matthew 13:24-30)

He explained to the disciples the parable:

36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; (Matthew 13:36-37)

The son of man mentioned there is not Jesus (s) because he was talking about how the kingdom of God will come and that is by sowing of a seed, which is a message. I have established before that the kingdom of God and the man child that mentioned in Revelation 12 when he would have come then the Kingdom of God would come [And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10)], and he would come from another nation, Jesus (S) informed us (Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44) and he also knew of him, thus, he addresses him as the son of man. It�s in John 3:13 (KJV).  

 �And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is �IN� heaven.� (John 3:13 KJV)

  Jesus (S) was the Son of man �ON� earth and he spoke about �another� Son of man which is �IN� heaven. 



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The good seed are those who follow the kingdom of God / the universal message and the tares are those who follow message of the Devil.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. (Matthew 13:38-39)

As you can see, the Devil also sowed a seed here, he has a false message here also but when did that happen? That happens when Paul had the visit that he claimed that it was Jesus (S) whom he never met nor saw before.

The Devil has sowed tares (falsehood) among the wheat (truth), then that falsehood later established a foundation at the counsel of Nicaea Council 325 A.D. the new form of Christianity: http://www.islamtomorrow.com/bible/NicaeaCouncil325.htm -

Then After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims in 638, the new form of Christianity under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade -   [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - as the eight king (Modern day Pagan�s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation: �And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition� (Rev.17:11).  It was Great Britain and the west the Devil used for sow his tares (children of the wicked one) universally against the children of the Kingdom of God (Those who followed God�s universal message).

40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  and buyeth that field.

Allah (s) said:

�Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee�� (Quran 5:47-48)

�There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, �That is from Allah,� But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Quran 3:78)

O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Quran 5:15)

�So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed (S) and the message he brought]. (Quran 3:50)

Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most right. (Quran 17:9)

Say: �O People of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that comes to us and that which came before (us)�?� (Quran 5:59)

Your companion is neither astray nor mislead, of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him: he was taught by one Mighty in Power. (Quran 53:2-5)

�And nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, We are Christians Because among these are men devoted to learning and who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (Quran 5:82)

Allah (S) instructs us:

 �Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance.� (Quran 16:125)

And whoever contradicts and apposes the Messenger [Muhammad (pbuh)] after the right path has been shown clearly to him. And follows other others than the believers� way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in hell � what an evil destination! (N.Q. 4:115)

Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sin than this: one who join other gods with Allah, hath strayed far, far away (from the right) (Quran 4:116)

And those who are firmly grounded with knowledge say: �We believe in it (the Qur�an); the whole of it (clear and unclear verses) are from our Lord:� and none will grasp the message except men of understanding. (Quran 3:7)

The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)�But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. (Quran 3:19)

If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Quran 3:85)

�And say to the People of the Book��Do ye (also) submit yourselves?� If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah�s sight are (all) His servants. (Quran 3:20)

Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book is a portion that stand (for the right)�they rehearse the Sign of Allah all night long� (Quran 3:113)

Narrated Abu Burdah�s father: Allah�s Messenger (S) said, ��if any man of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) believes in his own Prophet and then believes in me [Muhamed (pbuh)] too, he will (also) get a double reward� [Sahih Al Bukari, 7/5083 (O.P.20)]                                                                           

The day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then, if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its Faith. (Q. 6:158)

Narrated Abu Hurairah �: Allah�s Messenger (pbuh) said, �The Hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west; and when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the surface of the earth, will have faith, and that is (the time) when no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before.� [Sahih Al-Bukhari, 6/4635 (O.P.159)]

Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Q .39:53-54) 

"Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped. (Q. 39:054)

Allah (S) said:

Had We sent down this Qur'�n on a mountain, you would surely have seen it humbling itself and rending asunder by the fear of All�h. Such are the parables which We put forward to mankind that they may reflect. (Q. 59:21) 

6. And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of All�h unto you confirming the Taur�t [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed . But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic."

7. And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against All�h while he is being invited to Isl�m? And All�h guides not the people who are, Z�lim�n (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers) folk.

8. They intend to put out the Light of All�h (i.e. the religion of Isl�m, this Qur'�n, and Prophet Muhammad ) with their mouths. But All�h will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it).

9. He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad ) with guidance and the religion of truth (Isl�mic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrik�n (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of All�h and in His Messenger Muhammed ) hate (it).� (Qur�an 61:6-9)

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Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)

WARNING:

And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).  Quran 2:42)

 Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, - on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,� (Quran 2:159)

Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, - they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (Quran 2:174)

 End of Ch. 4

           Br Zainool (TNC)




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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 30 July 2015 at 6:58am
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Chapter 4

REVELATION 12,

THE UNIVERSAL PROPHET AND THE COMING OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

As we know the book of revelation was a vision of prophesy to John but it bear the name of Jesus (S), it mentioned:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:� (Rev. 1:1)

In the verse above it stated that God Almighty gave Jesus (S) the revelation and that would be in Heaven. However, there is no such record in Islam that Jesus (S) received revelation in Heaven. It may be God Almighty wants us to acknowledge this vision as a revelation sent to Jesus (S).

However, Jesus (S) always received revelation from God Almighty, it mentioned in John 12:49:

For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." (John 12:49)

That Book of revelation is a word of prophecy of things to come to pass in the future:

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the �words of this prophecy�, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.� (Rev. 1:3); God give unto him to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass�� (Rev. 1:1)

Chapter12 of the book of Revelation is a very interesting, it deals with the coming of a �man child� who will rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival then �Salvation and the Kingdom of God� will come (And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of ironNow comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10.) This would be after the demise of Jesus (S). What makes it so interesting is Allah (S) mentioned that He had sent Muhammad (S) as a universal Messenger:

We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know not.� (Quran. 34:28).

However, Christian�s commentator claimed that this is a prophecy of Jesus (S) I will examine it and see if Jesus (s) really fulfilled it or Muhammad (s). In verse 1, 2 and 5 it mentioned:

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered�5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.   (Rev. 12:1-5)

 

THE WOMAN REPRESENTS THE CHURCH

First we have to find out who this woman is or what she represents? According to some Christian�s Scholars the woman represents the �church� and some says the woman represents the �Jewish�s nation� and the man child is Jesus (S).

If we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and Rev.11 verse 4 both tied into each other and it reflects the meaning of the �WOMAN� as the Church. It mentioned:

�And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)

�And to the woman were given two wingsthat she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14)

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev. 11:3-4)

The evidence that the woman represents the church is that the woman was given �two wings� and fled into the wilderness for 1,260 days where the same period also reflect in Rev. 11:4. Those �two wings� were describe as two witnesses, the two olive trees and two candles stick; and the Candlesticks represent churches:

��the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)

So, we can conclude that the �woman� represents the �Church�! Also if we go to Revelation 19 and read verse 7-9 we would recognize that the woman represents the church. It mentioned:

�Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.� (Rev. 19:7-8)

The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came fromher and she� which is referring to the �church� when the church would have well established for the coming of the Messiah. So we can see from that proof the �woman� represents the �Church� and not the Jewish�s nation. Also, woman represents a �great city�:

�And the woman which thou saws is that great city�� (Rev. 17:18).

 Meaning the Church will also become a Great city. The reason why some Christian�s commentator says the woman represent the Jewish�s nation is because in many place in the Old Testament they (Jewish nation) were address as a woman; but that is because the �church� was with them.

After establishing that, I will look at the �man child�, who he is. Is this man child really Jesus (s) as was claimed by the Christian�s commentators? Or is he the universal prophet that mentioned in the Qur�an?

In Revelation 12: 3 to 5 mentioned:

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.�  (Rev. 12:3-5)

 

WHO IS THE MAN CHILD MENTIONED IN REV. 12?

As I have established before the �woman� represents the �church�. That would mean this man child was to come and establish the church universally to all nations and the Devil will tried to kill him but would failed in the attempt and he (the man child) would be caught up unto God.

Now, first point:

 If Rev.12 was about Jesus (S) present time in the past where Jesus (S) was ascended to Heaven then that does not add up because Rev.12:5 mentioned:

�And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron...�

Jesus (S) didn�t fulfill that; he did not even rule the Jews!

Second point:

If this man child is Jesus (S) and Christians believe he is God then it doesn�t add up knowing they believe he died in flesh, they believe he is man (flesh) and God (spirit). How did he caught up unto God? Which part went up the man or God? The verse mentioned:

MAN CHILD� and HER CHILD was caught up unto God�.

It didn�t say God (the spirit) caught up unto God the Father! Simple question will suffice for asking Christians, is Jesus (S) went up in Heaven as a man or God? If he went up as a man then he is not God and if he went up as God as they believe then he did not fulfilled that prophesy.

Third point:

The book of Revelation is a vision of prophesy of future things to come:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass�� (Rev. 1:1)

So Rev. 12 is not about Jesus (S)! The reason for that is because it is a prophecy of future things Jesus (S) was already in Heaven after the crucifixion according to Christians believes.

Fourth point:

In his second coming when he would have ascended to God�s Throne would the Jewish�s nation fled into the wilderness or they would be his sheep and he would be their King? It doesn�t add up. Why the woman (the Jewish�s nation as some Christian�s commentators claimed) fled in to the wilderness for a thousand two hundred and threescore days when all nee supposed to bow in his second coming? If in his second coming he will ascend to God�s Throne why come when he is already on the throne?

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)

Fifth point:

In his second coming according to Revelation 19 he will not caught up unto God and the Jewish nation will not fled into the wilderness. His second coming according to revelation 19:11, 19-21 he will come with his army to expose all false religion, destroy the Devil (Beast) and his army and cast them into the lake of fire, In Revelation 19:11. It mentioned:�he will wage war in righteousness� Is there any such thing as righteous war or holy war? Is that Jihad against the devil?

�And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true.  And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (Rev. 19:11)

�And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Rev. 19: 19-21)

 On the other hand Revelation 12: 3-5 mentioned:

�And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne�.  (Rev. 12:3-5)

That man child is not a prophecy of Jesus (S)! We see clearly that Jesus (S) did not fulfilled revelation 12. The Man child who was to rule all nations, he is the universal Prophet who brought the universal book which mentioned in Rev.10 and 14:6-7 which I have already explain in chapter 3, he was the one who brought the universal book and he died and caught up unto God and to his throne; he is not Jesus (S) as the Christian�s Scholars had claimed.

In fact Jesus (s) was sent to the lost tribes of the house of Israel. It�s all in the writings, it�s mentioned as follows:

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10)

He said: �For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. (Matt. 18:11)

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matt. 15:24)

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:5-6)

�He came unto his own, and his own received him not.� (John 1:11)

Quran conforms:

And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message)� (Quran. 3:48-49)

Jesus (s) mission to the children of Israel was to fulfill the laws for them and inform them of the coming kingdom which is a new law to come, it is in Matthew 5:18-19 and 10:5:

He said: �For verily I say unto you (Israelites), Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.� "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven..."(Matthew 5:18-19)

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.� (Matthew 10:5-6)

Quran conforms:

"'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. (Quran 3:50)

And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message)� (Quran. 3:48-49)

The kingdom of heaven is the Kingdom of God and the time is at hand for it arrival. Jesus told them:

�... saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel�. (Mark: 1:14)

It says: ��The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe� Believe what? Believe the good news of the kingdom of God is at hand. This is what Jesus (S) was preaching, it was for you to �REPENT� and believe the �Good News� of the coming of God�s Kingdom on earth and Revelation 12 later on put it in context.

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ� (Rev. 12:5-10).

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At the time of Jesus (S) his disciples thought that the kingdom of God would come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� (Luke 17:20)

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)

The �grain of mustard seed� is a �message, the word of God to come� [Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God�. (Luke 8:11)], and the �man� is the one who will deliver that message. What is more important is this �man child� would come from another nation because Jesus (S) informed us that the Kingdom of God which is the word of God would be taken away from the Israelites and given to another nation (See Chapter 4 for full explanation of rev 12), he informed us when he said:

�Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)

Jesus (S) spoke of this man child in John 3:13 It is mentioned:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13).

Jesus (S) was the Son of man and was �on the earth�; he then spoke of another Son of man which is �IN HEAVEN�

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He was described as �another comforter� John 14; 16 who will guide mankind into �all the truth� John 16:12-13, the disciples knew of him it mentioned in 1John. 4. It mentioned:

�Beloved, believes not every spirit, but tries the spirits whether they are of God because many false prophets are gone out into the world.� (1John 4:1)

Simple explanation will suffice. It says: �believe not every spirit�. How do we �believe�? We cannot believe if we do not listen and heard the spirit, correct? We have to listen and hear the spirit to believe. Now, the verse continues: �but try the spirits whether they are of God.� How do we try the Spirit? By questioning him, and that is not my opinion, V.2 conforms it: �2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:�

The Spirit has to �confess� and if he �confesses� that would mean we have to listen to him. Now, let us go back to V.1 it says: �because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Why �gone out into the world�? Because, �into the world� you have to go and look! And what you have to look for? It says: �Because many false prophets are gone out.� The opposite of false prophet is what? True Prophet!!!

Muhammad (S) is the one who fulfilled revelation 12, He is the one who brought the universal message to Govern all mankind. It mentioned in the Quran:

We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know not.� (Qur. 34:28).

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of ironNow comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10)

To be continue

Br. Zainool





 You read everything, it before your eyes but you are to blind to see.

John 12:40 says that God hardens some mens hearts, and blinds their eyes so they can�t understand and be converted and healed. John12:39 says that they could not believe because of this. So did these men have a free will to believe in God.

First of all, it needs to be understood that there is a difference between the telic and the ecbatic when it comes to scriptures being fulfilled. When it says �that it might be fulfilled� that does not mean that this specific event was prophesied of by Isaiah, but only that such a scripture is fulfilled by this specific event through applicability or similarity. When a scripture is in the telic sense it refers to a specific prophecy, but when it is used in the ecbatic sense it refers to events that fulfill passages through parallelism.

Matthew 13:14-15

Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: ��You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.

Prophets and the Messiahs are often but erroneously juxtaposed: the prophet is Messiah; Messiah is Christ; Christ is prophet, rabbi, teacher, etc. Certainly, there is a huge contrast between the two.

No matter how parallel they tend to be placed together, they would never be the same. It is just like kerosene and water: even though both are in liquid state, they can never be the same, no matter how hard they are mixed together. Of course, the prophets and the Messiahs do not share the same lineage (genealogy).

A prophet is a person who God gives some certain revelations or messages to deliver concerning a particular incident or event; or to a king or nation disobedient to the word of God. The message would not be permanent. Once it is delivered, the assignment is terminated.

A prophet does not and cannot recognize God: he does not know God. But God can give him a revelation or message. Take the case of Prophet Elijah in First Kings Chapter 19 of the Christian Bible.

�And He said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave� I Kings 19:11-13a (KJV)

God invited Prophet Elijah for a meeting on the mountain. God appeared in the form of wind, earthquake, and fire, but Elijah could not recognize him, until He whispered into his ear. Prophet Elijah was ashamed. Recall also the activities of Prophet Jeremiah in

Due to their spiritual immaturity and petulance, the prophets would always resort to fight and bickering. It happened to Jonah. At a point in the course of his call, Jonah became very angry. He could not recognize God in his appointment. Rather than admitting ignorance of the Spirit, they took to fighting in order to coerce their audience to accept their message.

The prophets do not and cannot encourage their members to pray to God in their names when confronted with dangers. It is not an easy task to declare oneself a Messiah. The battle takes place in the Spirit. Those devotees who pray in their prophet�s name are doing that in error because it will never make any positive impact in their lives. You can check them out.

Prophets do not realize the Spirit. It is only by accepting and abiding by the teachings of the Messiah that true recognition of the Spirit is achieved. The Christ/Messiah is the incarnate of the Supreme Spirit. And so, abiding by his teachings means realizing the Spirit, for the Messiah will thus explain Himself to you.

No prophet knows his past: he is not conscious of who he was. Only the Messiah has this capability. Recall what happened at the time of Jesus and John the Baptist. John the Baptist confessed he did not know himself: all he knew was that he was sent to announce the forthcoming of the Messiah. The prophets are not given the power to know who they are. 

You are listening to the voice of the Almighty Spirit that took on human flesh on planet earth. His words are deep and mysterious. His teachings are tested and trusted. They cannot be controverted. They will defeat, in fact rank superior and supersede all half-baked knowledge rampant today. Listen: there is a very big gap between the teachings of Messiah and the prophets. 

The prophets do not permit their followers to immortalize or worship with their pictures or statutes. It is against the Laws of Creation: prophets are not worshipped since they can never realize themselves as the Christ or Messiah. Consequently, no disciple of a prophet ever earns salvation. But they have the privilege of a hindsight announcement or prophecy of the advent of the Messiah through the prophet. This will enable them to begin to think about WHO will give them salvation (liberating their mind from the entanglement of the worldly materialism; for man thinks that the latter is the reason and essence of existence.) As long as your mind is suffused with material propensities, you will never attain salvation. In fact the worst that can happen to a man is for him to loose his soul/mind after his sojourn on this earth, having acquired massive physical possessions and occupied the highest office in the land. 

THE FOUNDATION OF THE TEACHINGS of every prophet lies in the announcement of the coming of the Messiah. It also depends on the fact that they do not know God; they fight for God and from time to time add their own thoughts beside the prophecies received from the Supreme Spirit. When he could no longer understand the messages of the Spirit, he resorts to war: he will begin to terrorize, compel and coerce people to believe and accept his teachings. A true Messiah does not behave this way. 

A prophet would kill someone who does not believe his teachings about God. Even though he does not know God, he would compel you to believe. A prophet cannot give you eternal life or salvation because he has not been saved either. Therefore the teachings of the prophet cannot guarantee salvation for anyone. The teachings of every prophet should be to prepare the minds of mankind to meet Christ, the Messiah (The Final of finals).

Unfortunately, when the prophets come, their devotees will begin to worship them because of the magic and so-called miracles the prophets perform. Others employ coercion; still others resort to war. For instance ISLAM: Prophet Mohammed used battle/war to convert unbelievers. They invade every country they enter, and with coercion convert the subjects to Islam. The latter will willy-nilly accept the religion in order to escape being killed. The converts will in turn and subsequently convert others through violence. In fact, the environment a religion is born has a tremendous effect on its modus operandi. An environment of war or violence means the religion would be practiced and spread as a war and violent movement. This is the case with Islam. Islam was born in a war-torn environment; violence, atrocities everywhere. This qualifies Islam as a RELIGION OF WAR and VOILENCE. On the contrary, if you are converted with peace and joy, you will deploy similar virtues in converting others.

This is why Christians and Muslims can never live together peacefully: the teachings of the prophets and the Messiahs are not, and can never be the same. (Remember, a prophet founded Islam whereas Jesus Christ, the Messiah � the incarnate of the Supreme Spirit � God in human form � founded Christianity.) From their names, the prophet prophecies: declares the messages from the Spirit. The Messiah (Saviour) saves: salvages the mind.

The prophet does not know God, and he will never know him until he discards that body and eventually becomes an apostle of the Messiah. At that point, he will be getting close to self realization/consciousness. He will have transmigrated into different levels of consciousness as prophets, and finally crosses the path of the Messiah; then he becomes an apostle of the latter. At that point ONLY will he earn salvation.

The Attributes of a True Messiah

He is referred to as God in a human form; Supreme Spirit in human form; God-Man. He speaks His Words because He is the Supreme Spirit Himself. Jesus told his disciples, �If you see me, you have seen my Father� This means Jesus is the Father in Spirit. The Spirit is the Father. The Mind and Body of Jesus are parts of the Being that are seen, and referred to as Jesus. Nevertheless, the Spirit, Mind and Body (Trinity) are the same.



Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 August 2015 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:


 You read everything, it before your eyes but you are to blind to see.

John 12:40 says that God hardens some mens hearts, and blinds their eyes so they can�t understand and be converted and healed. John12:39 says that they could not believe because of this. So did these men have a free will to believe in God.

First of all, it needs to be understood that there is a difference between the telic and the ecbatic when it comes to scriptures being fulfilled. When it says �that it might be fulfilled� that does not mean that this specific event was prophesied of by Isaiah, but only that such a scripture is fulfilled by this specific event through applicability or similarity. When a scripture is in the telic sense it refers to a specific prophecy, but when it is used in the ecbatic sense it refers to events that fulfill passages through parallelism.

Matthew 13:14-15

Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: ��You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.

Prophets and the Messiahs are often but erroneously juxtaposed: the prophet is Messiah; Messiah is Christ; Christ is prophet, rabbi, teacher, etc. Certainly, there is a huge contrast between the two.

No matter how parallel they tend to be placed together, they would never be the same. It is just like kerosene and water: even though both are in liquid state, they can never be the same, no matter how hard they are mixed together. Of course, the prophets and the Messiahs do not share the same lineage (genealogy).

A prophet is a person who God gives some certain revelations or messages to deliver concerning a particular incident or event; or to a king or nation disobedient to the word of God. The message would not be permanent. Once it is delivered, the assignment is terminated.



Peace unto you!

Peace maker, you can do better than that, don't post your "opinion" in reply, refute me point by point with scriptures.

You lecturing me the difference between "Prophets and Messiah". Messiah is only a "title" given to Jesus (S), a Prophet is some one who is sent to remind people of what is already revealed by a "Messenger"; and you failed to recognize what is a Messenger. A Messenger is the one came with a message of guidance.

Jesus (S) was a Messenger and a prophet, he was sent with a message to delivered and also remind his people of the Message given to Moses (S) and he was given the title "Messiah" (one who is anointed).

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WHERE THE CHURCH IS AND WHO JESUS (S) SAID HE IS

  To explain who Jesus (S) is I will begin with quoting from the Qur�an. We Muslims believed that all the miracle he did was with the permission of Allah (S). It is mentioned in the Qur'an 3: 49-51 That Jesus (S) said:  Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce to you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you if you are to be believers.
And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.

 The N.T. also supported the Qur�an in that statement of Jesus� (S), he said: �I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.� (John 5:30); �For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.  (John 12:49)

 

JESUS (S) REVEALED HIS TRUE IDENTITY TO HIS DISCIPLES

It is stated in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016&version=9 - :

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?� (Matthew 16:13-15)

  Very important question, he is about to let you know who he is.

V.16 Simon Peter answered and said, �You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.� (Matt. 16:16)

 Note: the word "Christ" is �Messiah� in Hebrew:

 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ;� (John 1:41)

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.� (John 4:25-26)

Having said that, let us look at Matthew 16: 17-18.

Jesus answered and said to him, �Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.V.18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. (Matt. 16:17-18)

 Note very important: Jesus (S) made his claimed that he is the Messiah (foretold in the OT.), the Son of the living God; he didn�t claimed he is God Almighty! 

When Jesus (S) mentioned: �he is the Messiah, the Son of the living God�, that does not mean God has a biological son or he is a part of God as Christians believe; they misunderstood Jesus (S) statement in context of his message. The O.T. clearly stated Adam (S) the first Man the God of Abraham(s) created is his son and anyone who led by the spirit of God is the sons of God; and Jesus (S) falls in that category.

In the N.T. it mentioned:

��Adam, which was the son of God.� (Luke 3:38)  

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

Jesus (S) was led by the spirit of God:

I saw the Spirit descending from heaven..., and abode upon him.�(John 1:32)

"...I cast out devils by the Spirit of God then the kingdom of God is come unto you." (Matthew 12:28)

 "I can of mine own self do nothing " (John 5:30)

 

JESUS (S) EXPLAINED WHAT HE MEANT BY SAYING HE IS THE MESSIAH SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

Let us look at John 10:23-32; this explanation was given by the late Ahmad Deedat (May Allah (S) grant him Jannah):

23And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep... (John 10:23-26)

 Jesus (S) rebuts the false charge of the Jews that he was ambiguous in his claims to be the Messiah that they were waiting for. He says that he did tell them clearly enough, yet they would not listen to him. So he said:

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29)

 You see the exactness of the ending of the last two verses?

 Pluck them out of �my hand�

 Pluck them out of �my Father's hand.�

 He is telling the Jews the "REAL UNITY" or "RELATIONSHIP" between the Father and the son. The most crucial verse -

  V.30 - I and my Father are one. (John 10:30)

 

 One in what, DIVINITY? NO! ONE IN "PURPOSE" Once a believer has accepted faith, then Jesus (S) sees to it he remain in faith and God Almighty also sees to it that he remains in faith. This is the "PURPOSE" of the "Father" and the "son" and the "Holy Ghost" and of "every man and every woman of faith". John said that in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017:21&version=9 - - John 17:21

  That they "ALL" may be "ONE"; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that also may be "ONE" in "US"...I in them, and "THOU (THE DICIPLES) in �ME (JESUS)�, that "THEY (ALL) may be made "PERFECT in ONE"... http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017:21&version=9 - - John 17:21

 

 The Jews also miss the point like all Christians.

31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 - Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33-The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34-Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35-If he (God Almighty) called them (the Jews) gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36-Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (John 10:31-36)

Jesus said: "YOUR LAW... YE ARE GODS." He is quoting from http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms82:6&version=9 - - 82nd. Psalm V.6 �I have said, YE ARE GODS: and all of you are children of the most High.�

 Jesus is saying, "If He (God Almighty) called them (holy men) God, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken (in other words - YOU CAN'T CONTRADICT ME!)." He knows his scripture; if good men, holy men, prophets of God are address as 'GODS' in our Books of authority, with which you find no fault - then why do you take exception to me?

So, as you can clearly Jesus (S) himself explained his position as the son of God.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

 

��the Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee.� (Psalms 2:7)

                                        

 

Jesus (S) was led by Spirit of God:

 

�And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven�and abode upon him.� (John 1:32)

 

�I cast out devil by the Spirit of God. Then the kingdom of God is come unto you. (Matt. 12:28)

 

I can of mine own self do nothing� (John. 5:30)

 

�I with the finger of God cast out devil� (Luke. 11:20)

 

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:50) 

 

Jesus (s) is a servant and messenger of God, he said:

 

"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." (John 13:16)

Jesus answered them and said, �My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.� (John 7:16)

 

He was �sent� by his God! He said:

 

�For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2012:49&version=9 - - John 12:49 )

 

�I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.� (John 5:30)

 

WHO IS JESUS (S) FATHER?

 

Jesus (S) said:

 

��Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and my God, and your God.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020:16-17%20&version=9 - - John 20:16-17 AKJV)

 

According to him, his Father is �OUR GOD and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, He said: �MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.�

    

         And the following verse he declared that he is not good only God is good, in reply to someone he (S) said to him:

 

"Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2010:18&version=9 - )

JESUS (S) DECLARED WHERE WOULD BE THE CHURCH.

 Remember what Jesus (S) said in Matt.16:15-18? He said: Bless art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.�

  Peter name was �Simon Bar-jona� and Jesus (S) change his name to �Peter� (Little Rock). The Rock represent Peter�s message; and upon this rock I will build my church. Peter was the only one knew whom Jesus (S) was when he said: �Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,� he understood that anyone led by the Spirit of God is the Son of God.

 

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

 

 

Peter testimony when address the Jews:

 

�Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, �a man approve of God� among you by miracles and wonders and sign, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you your self also know� ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=ac+2%3A22&section=0&it=kjv&oq=ac%25202%3A22&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=ac&ng=2&ncc=2 - - Acts 2:22 )

 

Jesus (S) conforms when he said:

"I am a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God." (John 8:40)

In the O.T, Numbers 23: 17-19 put it all together. It read:

17 And when he came to him, behold, he stood by his burnt offering, and the princes of Moab with him. And Balak said unto him, What hath the Lord spoken?

18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:

19 GOD IS NOT A MAN, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (Number 23: 17-19)

Which Church teaches that Jesus (S) is a man approve of God? Islam!!

 

And he (S) said:

 

�And the gate of hell shall not prevail against it.� (Matt. 16:18)

 

 

In Qur�an it stated in 74:31 �And We have set non but angels as guardian of the fire��

 

 JESUS (S) IN ISLAM, HE SAID:

Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce to you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you if you are to be believers.
And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path. (Qur'an 3:49-51)

Jesus (S) conforms:

�And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: V.30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.� (Mark 12:29-30)

 

And in Exodus 20: 3-5 it mentioned:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God

Br. Zainool
 



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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 August 2015 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

 

THE FOUNDATION OF THE TEACHINGS of every prophet lies in the announcement of the coming of the Messiah. It also depends on the fact that they do not know God; they fight for God and from time to time add their own thoughts beside the prophecies received from the Supreme Spirit. When he could no longer understand the messages of the Spirit, he resorts to war: he will begin to terrorize, compel and coerce people to believe and accept his teachings. A true Messiah does not behave this way.



Where you got your idea from that Prophet add their own thoughts to the word of God? Don't blame them Prophets. is people like you who are here to distort the truth.

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"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it (i.e., the bible) into a LIE.   (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

Qur�an conforms:

Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) place, and say �We hear and disobey��and but few of them will believe. (Q. 4:46)

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Allah (S) also informed us that the people of the book (the scribes) mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth �knowingly�:

 �Ye People of the Book! Why do you mix truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, while ye have knowledge.� (Quran 3:71).

And Qur�an is here to remind them [O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Quran 5:15)]


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Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)

WARNING:

And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).  Quran 2:42)

 Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, - on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,� (Quran 2:159)

Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, - they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (Quran 2:174)

 

           Br Zainool (TNC)


 


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 August 2015 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

 

The Attributes of a True Messiah

He is referred to as God in a human form; Supreme Spirit in human form; God-Man. He speaks His Words because He is the Supreme Spirit Himself. Jesus told his disciples, �If you see me, you have seen my Father� This means Jesus is the Father in Spirit. The Spirit is the Father. The Mind and Body of Jesus are parts of the Being that are seen, and referred to as Jesus. Nevertheless, the Spirit, Mind and Body (Trinity) are the same.



Peace maker, COMPARE YOUR OPINION:

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For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)


Peter testimony when address the Jews:

 

�Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, �a man approve of God� among you by miracles and wonders and sign, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you your self also know� ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=ac+2%3A22&section=0&it=kjv&oq=ac%25202%3A22&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=ac&ng=2&ncc=2 - - Acts 2:22 )

 

Jesus (S) conforms when he said:

"I am a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God." (John 8:40)

In the O.T, Numbers 23: 17-19 put it all together. It read:

17 And when he came to him, behold, he stood by his burnt offering, and the princes of Moab with him. And Balak said unto him, What hath the Lord spoken?

18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:

19 GOD IS NOT A MAN, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (Number 23: 17-19)

Br. Zainool


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 August 2015 at 5:12pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

 

A prophet would kill someone who does not believe his teachings about God. Even though he does not know God, he would compel you to believe. A prophet cannot give you eternal life or salvation because he has not been saved either. Therefore the teachings of the prophet cannot guarantee salvation for anyone. The teachings of every prophet should be to prepare the minds of mankind to meet Christ, the Messiah (The Final of finals).


 
Peace maker, I just highlight the point I want to reply to in your reply above.

Let's see what your book says on SALVATION.

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SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD COMES WHEN THE MAN CHILD WHO WAS TO RULE ALL NATIONS

Now, let�s look at revelation 12, it mentioned:

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ� (Rev. 12:5-10).

Revelation 12 is all about future things to come after the demise of Jesus (S). (See Chapter 4 for full explanation of rev 12) It stated in Rev. 1:1

�The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass� (Rev. 1:1)

Salvation and the Kingdom of God come in the future after the demise of Jesus (S). In Luke 21 he told his disciples to look for the signs in a parable when the kingdom of God will come, it was yet to come:

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees: 30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. (Luke 21:29-30)

Now, that�s bringing us to another point, �SALVATION�. Salvation is not by blood because it comes after the demise of Jesus (S), so, this verse is a contradiction in Revelation 12:11 �And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,� (Rev 12:11

It also mentioned: �Now come�the power of Christ�

Note: It says �power of Christ�. And not Christ! In the book of Habakkuk it mentioned who will bring salvation.

Quote:

��And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. He stood and measured the earth�he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting�at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the anointed� (Habakkuk. 3:3-13(KJV)

None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran.

�And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran� (Genesis 21:21)

It is the Holy One from Mt. Paran will bring �Salvation�; and Muhammad (S) is the descendant of Ishmael.

He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting. (Habakkuk. 3:6)

 Measured the earth: Meaning: His message is for the whole earth (universal message) and His way are everlasting.

Qur�an conforms:

�We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to ALL mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against sin), but most of mankind knows not.� (Quran 34:28)

And Habakkuk mentioned the same prophet who will brig SALVATION will invade them with his troops:

��When he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.� (Habakkuk 3:16)

Histories of Islam have it that Muhammad (S) invades Mecca with ten thousand followers only kill six persons who were among the leaders:

Thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah. ((Habakkuk 3:13)

The advent of Muhammad (S) in the book of Revelation:

��when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.� (Rev. 6:1-2)

It is also mentioned in Duet. 33:2 (KJV):

And he [Moses (S)] said: the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with �ten thousand Saints�: from his right hand went a �fiery Law� for them.� (Duet. 33:2)

In these words the Lord has been compared with the �sun.� He comes from Sinai, he rises from Seir, but he shines in his full glory from Paran, where he had to appear with ten thousands of saints with a fiery law in his right hand.

 Also in Jude 1:14-15

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)

That is exactly what Muhammad (S) did: He (S) came with ten thousand saints, He (S) execute judgment upon all, He convince all that were ungodly among His people of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which they ungodly sinners have spoken against him. You don�t have to believe me, go to the internet and look his� history for yourself; and Jude 1:15 mentioned there: �15To execute judgment upon all�

Allah (S) conform it in the Qur�an:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures. (Quran  25:1)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Quran 13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong).� (Quran. 2:185)

  Muhammad (S) received revelation in the cave of Mount Hira in Arabia (Paran), later to be known as Jabal-un-Noor (Mountain of Light). After his migration to Medina, he returns and invades Mecca with �ten thousand Saints� and he establishes the �fiery Law� (Islamic law). Moses (S) is the only law giver in the O.T. and he prophesies another law giver which is Muhammad (S).                                                                          

For the LAW was given by Moses (John 1:17).Then the new Song: new law (Isaiah 42:10)

And his (the Holy one from Mt. Paran) brightness was as the light, he had horns coming out of his hand. (Habakkuk 3:4)

 Horns represent kings: Rev. 17:12 and the ten horns�are ten kings.

Qur�an conforms:

Oh Prophet! Truly, We have sent you as�a lamp spreading Light.� (Q. 33:45-46)

See how all the message fall in context? Jesus (s) also told the Jews the Kingdom of God would be taken away from them.

�Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)

The stone Jesus (S) spoke of was a �message�. If you reject Jesus (S) you automatically reject his �message� of the coming kingdom of God; and that message which is the coming kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews and given to another nation, and it would bare fruits and be �MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES�, and no other message would be able destroy it and where ever the message establish it will prevail over all other message (man-made law). Sure Jesus (S) is not the stone because he is not marvelous in our eyes. The nation that fulfilled that is no other than Ishmaelite Abraham�s (S) seeds; the God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation. It mentioned in Genesis 17: 20.

�And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis 17:20).


It mentioned in Luke: And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29)

Br. Zainool


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 August 2015 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

 

A prophet would kill someone who does not believe his teachings about God. Even though he does not know God, he would compel you to believe. A prophet cannot give you eternal life or salvation because he has not been saved either. Therefore the teachings of the prophet cannot guarantee salvation for anyone. The teachings of every prophet should be to prepare the minds of mankind to meet Christ, the Messiah (The Final of finals).



Peace maker, every one knows a prophet cannot give eternal life but if you are implying that Jesus (S) give eternal life (Luke 10: 28) you might want to give it a second thought...but how?

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (Luke 10: 23-29)

 

Jesus thought the way to Eternal Life in his final message, he looks up to the Heaven and gives thanks to God Almighty for affording him to give eternal life to all who God Almighty has chosen, and that is to believe in the one true God and Jesus the Messiah whom He has sent.

�1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.(John 17:1-2)

This is what he said:

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3And this is life eternal, that they (the disciples or who call themselves Christian) might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou (the only true God) hast sent. (John 17:3-4)

That is the declaration of faith at the time of Jesus (S), in other words, is to believe in no other deity except the one true God Allah (S) and Jesus (S) is the messenger of Allah (S) and you will received ETERNAL LIFE. Same declaration Muslims make except that at the end they say, Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S). That is to say: �I testify that there is no other deity except Allah (S) and I testify that Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S).�

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (Luke 4:8)

 �Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sin than this: one who join other gods with Allah, hath strayed far, far away (from the right.�) (Q .4:116)

Death penalty for not believe in the God of the Israelite

The God of the Israelites declared death penalty in Deuteronomy 13:6-9 and in Chronicles 15:13, if anyone even your own brother or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend encourage you to secretly worship other deity than the God of Israel he or she must put to death.

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)

Br. zainool



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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 10 August 2015 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

 

A prophet would kill someone who does not believe his teachings about God. Even though he does not know God, he would compel you to believe. A prophet cannot give you eternal life or salvation because he has not been saved either. Therefore the teachings of the prophet cannot guarantee salvation for anyone. The teachings of every prophet should be to prepare the minds of mankind to meet Christ, the Messiah (The Final of finals).


 
Peace maker, I just highlight the point I want to reply to in your reply above.

Let's see what your book says on SALVATION.

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SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD COMES WHEN THE MAN CHILD WHO WAS TO RULE ALL NATIONS

Now, let�s look at revelation 12, it mentioned:

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ� (Rev. 12:5-10).

Revelation 12 is all about future things to come after the demise of Jesus (S). (See Chapter 4 for full explanation of rev 12) It stated in Rev. 1:1

�The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass� (Rev. 1:1)

Salvation and the Kingdom of God come in the future after the demise of Jesus (S). In Luke 21 he told his disciples to look for the signs in a parable when the kingdom of God will come, it was yet to come:

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees: 30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. (Luke 21:29-30)

Now, that�s bringing us to another point, �SALVATION�. Salvation is not by blood because it comes after the demise of Jesus (S), so, this verse is a contradiction in Revelation 12:11 �And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,� (Rev 12:11

It also mentioned: �Now come�the power of Christ�

Note: It says �power of Christ�. And not Christ! In the book of Habakkuk it mentioned who will bring salvation.

Quote:

��And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. He stood and measured the earth�he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting�at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the anointed� (Habakkuk. 3:3-13(KJV)

None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran.

�And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran� (Genesis 21:21)

It is the Holy One from Mt. Paran will bring �Salvation�; and Muhammad (S) is the descendant of Ishmael.

He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting. (Habakkuk. 3:6)

 Measured the earth: Meaning: His message is for the whole earth (universal message) and His way are everlasting.

Qur�an conforms:

�We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to ALL mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against sin), but most of mankind knows not.� (Quran 34:28)

And Habakkuk mentioned the same prophet who will brig SALVATION will invade them with his troops:

��When he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.� (Habakkuk 3:16)

Histories of Islam have it that Muhammad (S) invades Mecca with ten thousand followers only kill six persons who were among the leaders:

Thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah. ((Habakkuk 3:13)

The advent of Muhammad (S) in the book of Revelation:

��when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.� (Rev. 6:1-2)

It is also mentioned in Duet. 33:2 (KJV):

And he [Moses (S)] said: the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with �ten thousand Saints�: from his right hand went a �fiery Law� for them.� (Duet. 33:2)

In these words the Lord has been compared with the �sun.� He comes from Sinai, he rises from Seir, but he shines in his full glory from Paran, where he had to appear with ten thousands of saints with a fiery law in his right hand.

 Also in Jude 1:14-15

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)

That is exactly what Muhammad (S) did: He (S) came with ten thousand saints, He (S) execute judgment upon all, He convince all that were ungodly among His people of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which they ungodly sinners have spoken against him. You don�t have to believe me, go to the internet and look his� history for yourself; and Jude 1:15 mentioned there: �15To execute judgment upon all�

Allah (S) conform it in the Qur�an:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures. (Quran  25:1)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Quran 13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong).� (Quran. 2:185)

  Muhammad (S) received revelation in the cave of Mount Hira in Arabia (Paran), later to be known as Jabal-un-Noor (Mountain of Light). After his migration to Medina, he returns and invades Mecca with �ten thousand Saints� and he establishes the �fiery Law� (Islamic law). Moses (S) is the only law giver in the O.T. and he prophesies another law giver which is Muhammad (S).                                                                          

For the LAW was given by Moses (John 1:17).Then the new Song: new law (Isaiah 42:10)

And his (the Holy one from Mt. Paran) brightness was as the light, he had horns coming out of his hand. (Habakkuk 3:4)

 Horns represent kings: Rev. 17:12 and the ten horns�are ten kings.

Qur�an conforms:

Oh Prophet! Truly, We have sent you as�a lamp spreading Light.� (Q. 33:45-46)

See how all the message fall in context? Jesus (s) also told the Jews the Kingdom of God would be taken away from them.

�Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)

The stone Jesus (S) spoke of was a �message�. If you reject Jesus (S) you automatically reject his �message� of the coming kingdom of God; and that message which is the coming kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews and given to another nation, and it would bare fruits and be �MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES�, and no other message would be able destroy it and where ever the message establish it will prevail over all other message (man-made law). Sure Jesus (S) is not the stone because he is not marvelous in our eyes. The nation that fulfilled that is no other than Ishmaelite Abraham�s (S) seeds; the God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation. It mentioned in Genesis 17: 20.

�And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis 17:20).


It mentioned in Luke: And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29)

Br. Zainool
Habakkuk 3:3 stated that it was God who came fromTeman the Holy One from Mount Paran.
Your arguments do not make sence cause Mount Paran is in the Sinai pininsula
and Abraham and Ishmael were never or nowhere near Mecca so Paran wasn't the so called Mecca.
Who said Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael?
This verse is tottally wrong version.
He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting. (Habakkuk. 3:6)
 
Here is the right version.
He stopped and shook the earth: he looked and made and made the nations tremble.The eternal mountains were shattered:along his ancient pathways.the everlasting hils sank low.


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 14 August 2015 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:


Habakkuk 3:3 stated that it was God who came fromTeman the Holy One from Mount Paran.
Your arguments do not make sence cause Mount Paran is in the Sinai pininsula
and Abraham and Ishmael were never or nowhere near Mecca so Paran wasn't the so called Mecca.
Who said Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael?
This verse is tottally wrong version.
He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting. (Habakkuk. 3:6)
 
Here is the right version.
He stopped and shook the earth: he looked and made and made the nations tremble.The eternal mountains were shattered:along his ancient pathways.the everlasting hils sank low.


Peace maker, when the scripture mentioned "God" came, it is referring to God's revelation came down there and not God himself and the "Holy One from Mt. Paran" he is not God. read the entire Chapter:

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3 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet upon Shigionoth.

O Lord, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O Lord, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.

God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.

Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.

He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting.

I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction: and the curtains of the land of Midian did tremble.

Was the Lord displeased against the rivers? was thine anger against the rivers? was thy wrath against the sea, that thou didst ride upon thine horses and thy chariots of salvation?

Thy bow was made quite naked, according to the oaths of the tribes, even thy word. Selah. Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.

10 The mountains saw thee, and they trembled: the overflowing of the water passed by: the deep uttered his voice, and lifted up his hands on high.

11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. (DID GOD WENT WITH ARROW GLITTERING SPARE?)

12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger. (IS THIS GOD?)

13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

14 Thou didst strike through with his staves the head of his villages: they came out as a whirlwind to scatter me: their rejoicing was as to devour the poor secretly. (PLEASE TELL ME HOW GOD STRIKES TRUE THE VILLAGE AND THE PEOPLE CAME OUT TO SCATTERED HIM!)

15 Thou didst walk through the sea with thine horses, through the heap of great waters.

16 When I heard, my belly trembled; my lips quivered at the voice: rottenness entered into my bones, and I trembled in myself, that I might rest in the day of trouble: when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.

17 Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls:

18 Yet I will rejoice in the Lord, I will joy in the God of my salvation.

19 The Lord God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments. (Habakkuk 3)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk+3&version=KJV - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk+3&version=KJV


Br. Zainool


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 14 August 2015 at 10:19pm
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CHAPTER 8

ISAIAH 42 COMFORTER BRINGING JUDGMENTS TO THE GENTILE

    The explanation of Isaiah 42 was found on this site : http://jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/the-Jewish-Bible/Muhammad-in-Isaiah42.htm - and think it would worth add to this message because of its contextual relationship with the Comforter. I did a little editing and I do hope permission would be granted to do so for the purpose of dawah, Inshallah. May Allah (S) bless the Brother for his outstanding piece of work.

Isaiah 42 has to do with a prophecy of Almighty God�s servant whom He will send to the Gentile (entire whole) with his new law or I should say His new universal criterion of Judgment between right and wrong. This servant has to come from Ishmael�s descendant true Kedar (Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit�(Isaiah. 42:11); And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth�and Kedar...� (Genesis 25:13)

 However, all Christian�s Scholars agreed that this prophecy in Isaiah 42 is of Jesus (S) and ignoring the fact that Isaiah describe him as �God�s Servant and Messenger�: �Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.� (Isaiah 42:1), this �Servant� was described as a �messenger� according to Isaiah 42: 18-19: Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. Who is blind, but my servant? Or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? Who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord�s servant? (Isaiah .42:18-19); and according to them Jesus (S) is God or son of God. What is more questionable is this Servant and Messenger will bring �Judgment to the Gentiles� and on the other hand Jesus (S) said the comforter will reprove the world (Gentiles) of judgment: �And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� (John.16:8). If the Comforter will reprove the world (Gentile) of Judgment then the Comforter is a person according to Isaiah 42:1.

All prophets after Jacob (S) mentioned in the Bible came for the Israelites not Gentiles. This includes Jesus (S) (Matt.15:21-26, Matt. 10:5-6 and many more. And Jesus (S) did not stay on earth long enough to bring judgment to the Gentile. But Muhammad (S) he brought message which is the Criterion of Judgment between right and wrong to the Gentiles.

It mentioned in the Qur�an:

 �Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong, i.e. the Qur�an) to his slave [Muhammad (pbuh)] that he may be a Warner to the �Alamin (mankind and jinn).� (Quran 25:1)

 

 How would the comforter reprove the world of Judgment? He would reprove the world of judgment when the everlasting Good News would have come. Revelation 14: 6-7 mentioned the coming of the universal Book of judgment:

�And I saw another angel fly in the mid of Heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nations, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying... fear God and give glory to him for judgment is come.� (Rev. 14:6-7)

That is the future tense! The book of Revelation Ch. 14: 6-7 which is a part of the Collection of books (The Bible), which is already here; it�s mentioned of an �angel coming from heaven� with the everlasting gospel for all nations. The Greek words  Euaggelizon / Euaggelizo� which translates as Gospel which is the Good News.


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Note: This everlasting good news was coming from Heaving, an angel was bringing it from Heaven, and it was describe as a �Judgment� to �preach� to all nations. That Judgment was the criterion between rights and wrong, that Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth (all nations). What Jesus (S) said? He said:

Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be don on earth!�

The Qur�an makes that claimed in ch.26: 192-196.It mentioned:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Quran 25:1)

A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Quran 41:3-4)

�Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Quran 13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Quran 2:185)

That is exactly what Isaiah prophecy, that the Judgment to the Gentiles is the law. It mentioned:

3-A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah 42:3-4)

For the LAW was given by Moses� (John 1:17)

  Moses (S) was a Law Giver, and then come another law giver, the Comforter: �He shall reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� (John 16:8). Jesus (S) did not set Judgment on the earth he said the Comforter will in John 16:8; and Muhammad (S) he establishes a state and ruled with his law that given by God Almighty.  Therefore he set Judgment in the earth and he did not fail and he was not discouraged, he is the universal law giver to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:9 clearly stated:

�Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you.�(Isaiah 42:9) 

The former things are the old law and have to replace with new law (the Islamic law),

Also in Isaiah 49: 10 it mentioned of the �scepter and law giver� will remove from Judah, it was remove at the time of Muhammad (S); unto him shall the gathering of the people be:

The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.�  (Isaiah 49:10)  

 

In verse 2 it mentioned:

2-He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. (Isaiah 42:2)

 Here the word: �not cry� is used as �not complain about the duty that gave to him� because we see in verse 13 God says ��he shall cry.� There is a difference between these two using of the word �cry.� Now, in the book of Matthew 26:37-39 Jesus (S) said: ��My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death�and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible. Let the cup pass from me: nevertheless not as my will� (Matthew 26:37-39). We cannot say that Jesus (S) never complained. But if you read the history of Muhammad (S) / the history of Islam you cannot find one complaining word of Muhammad (S) about his mission (duty) that given by God Almighty.

This Servant would be call in righteousness, and given a covenant for his people and a light of the Gentile:

5-Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heaven, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth and that which comes out of it; he that givith breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein. 6-I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and well keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people. For a light of the Gentile. (Isaiah 42:5-6)

      Righteousness: And verily, you [O Muhammad (pbuh)] are on an exalted (standard of) character. (Q. 68:4)

      Covenant: Behold! Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets, Saying: �I gave you a Book and Wisdom; then come to you a Messenger [Muhammad (pubh)], confirming what is with you; Do you believe in him and render help.� Allah said: �Do you agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?� They said: �We agree. �He said: Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witness. (Q. 3:8)

      For a light of the Gentile: �Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light [Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)] and a plain Book (the Qur�an). (N.Q. 5:15); We have not sent thee but as a (Universal Messenger) to all mankind. (Q. 34:28)

Moving on to verse 7 it mentioned:

7-To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. (Isaiah 42:7)

�To open blind eyes� If we read verse 19 we will see more clearly that the world is used as �idiom.� Meaning, he will show people the things that they did not know and will show people how to comprehend God and His Message.

�Prison� is used as idiom too. If a spirit doesn�t know God and doesn�t obeying Him, then that spirit is in prison of Satan, and that person is prisoner of Satan. By accepting oneness of God and by obeying Him, the spirit of a person will be free and this makes that person free from prison of Satan. And in verse 8 God Almighty clearly states what He meant.

8-I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glories will I not gave to another, neither my praise to graven image. (Isaiah.42:8)

The word �Lord� translates from �YHWH� which sometimes translates a �Yahweh�; and that is not God name. See explanation on Ch. 3. However, the Qur�an mentioned this:

�Call upon Allah, or call upon al Rahman. By what ever name ye call upon Him. (It is well): for to Him belong the most beautiful names. (Quran 17:110)

With explanation of verse 7, we understand that the person that God is talking about will come to a place that people worship idols as their gods. From verse 7and 8, we understand that God Almighty is not talking about Jesus (S) but Muhammad (S), because Jesus (S) came to the Israelites and they were not worshiping idols, but Muhammad (S) came during the Jahillia (ignorance) period of Arabs and destroys the idols. If we read verse 17, it will be understood more clearly.

10-Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth� (Isaiah 42:10) 

  The Qur�an is the new song, if you want to hear this new song please listen to some one reciting the Qur�an, you will understand what God Almighty is talking about, it message has already reach to the end of the earth.

LISTEN TO THE NEW SONG HERE, THE QUR�AN:

Sura Al Anbayaa 21 Sheikh Mishary R Al Afasy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp4rQL_iI6Y -

Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away. 2Never comes (aught) to them of a renewed Message from their Lord, but they listen to it as in jest, (Quran. 21:1-2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WvHMNuhH3Y -

Sura Mulk 67 Sheikh Mishary R Al Afasy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciaEisQ6cdE -

11-Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock, let them shout from the top of the mountains. (Isaiah 42:11)

  In the O.T. there is only one personality called Kedar, and Kedar is the descendant of Ishmael�s (S):

 �And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth�and Kedar...� Genesis 25:13; �And he (Ishmael) dwelt in the wilderness of Para�n (Genesis 21:21)

 It has nothing to do with Jesus (S) but Muhammad (S). Muhammad (S) is descendant of Abraham�s (S) through Ishmael (S) and the cities that they inhabited are in Arabia namely: Paran (Makah), Telma (Tema/ Teman), Yathrib (Al-Madina Al- Munawwarah) etc. And If you observe the ritual of Muslim (especially during Hajj), you will see that cities (Makah and Al Medina) lift up their voices meaning: people shout and glorify Allah (S) from top of mountains, especially Mt. Arafat. You can also see this in every Muslim country when Muslims are called to prayer, the Muezzins read the Adhan (calling to prayer) that sound like a song and even far from the city you can hear this Adhan, it will look like that city lift up its voice.

12-Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands. (Isaiah 42:12)

 It says here: �Let them� who is them? It is the descendants of Kedar�s.

God Almighty promise for Ishmael (S):

And as for Ishmael� Behold I have bless him twelve Princes shall he beget, and I will make him a Great Nation.� (Genesis 17:20)

13-The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. (Isaiah 42:13)

 In the Old Testament when God said he does a certain thing, he often used an angel or a prophet sometimes, example:

And the Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with ten thousand saints: from his right hand went a fiery law. (Duet. 33:2)

Does the Lord rose up from Seir? Did he come from Paran? No! His message came from those places through Prophets.  

14-I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a traveling woman; I will destroy and devour at once. (Isaiah 42:14)

 If we examine the history of Prophet (S) you will see that he was preaching the message peacefully and the unbeliever begin to prosecuting him and his� followers until he migrates to Medina where he received revelation to fight them, and many war he did fought and win. That verse also tied into Habakkuk 3 where the �Holy One from Mt. Paran� invaded them with his troops.

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And Habakkuk mentioned:

��When he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.� (Habakkuk 3:16)

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Histories of Islam have it that Muhammad (S) invades Mecca with ten thousand followers only kill six persons who were among the leaders:

Thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah. ((Habakkuk 3:13)

The advent of Muhammad (S) in the book of Revelation:

��when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.� (Rev. 6:1-2)

It is also mentioned in Duet. 33:2 (KJV):

And he [Moses (S)] said: the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with �ten thousand Saints�: from his right hand went a �fiery Law� for them.� (Duet. 33:2)

 

In these words the Lord has been compared with the �sun.� He comes from Sinai, he rises from Seir, but he shines in his full glory from Paran, where he had to appear with ten thousands of saints with a fiery law in his right hand.

 Also in Jude 1:14-15

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)

That is exactly what Muhammad (S) did: He (S) came with ten thousand saints, He (S) execute judgment upon all, He convince all that were ungodly among His people of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which they ungodly sinners have spoken against him. You don�t have to believe me, go to the internet and look his� history for yourself; and Jude 1:15 mentioned there: �15To execute judgment upon all�

Allah (S) conform it in the Qur�an:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures. (Quran  25:1)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Quran 13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong).� (Quran. 2:185)

  Muhammad (S) received revelation in the cave of Mount Hira in Arabia (Paran), later to be known as Jabal-un-Noor (Mountain of Light). After his migration to Medina, he returns and invades Mecca with �ten thousand Saints� and he establishes the �fiery Law� (Islamic law). Moses (S) is the only law giver in the O.T. and he prophesies another law giver which is Muhammad (S).                                                                          

For the LAW was given by Moses (John 1:17).Then the new Song: new law (Isaiah 42:10)

And his (the Holy one from Mt. Paran) brightness was as the light, he had horns coming out of his hand. (Habakkuk 3:4)

 Horns represent kings: Rev. 17:12 and the ten horns�are ten kings.

Qur�an conforms:

Oh Prophet! Truly, We have sent you as�a lamp spreading Light.� (Q. 33:45-46)

Br. Zainool




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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 14 August 2015 at 10:26pm
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Ar Rahman:

 



Qur'an Stated Chapter 55 (The Compassionate) Verses 33-36

33. O society of jinn and humans! If you can pass through the bounds of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and pass. But you will not pass except with authorization.

34. So which of your Lord's marvels will you deny?

35. You will be bombarded with flares of fire and brass, and you will not succeed.

36. So which of your Lord's marvels will you deny?


Two videos will play automatically right next to each other from NASA admitting that no one ever landed on the moon and no one is capable of flying outside the earth atmosphere, when they tried to fly higher they experienced shooting stars.



 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmEPIPDlGQM&list=PLrKdT1wKTSUdMtNP1vZaIcjP0QfCY9W4h&index=1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmEPIPDlGQM&list=PLrKdT1wKTSUdMtNP1vZaIcjP0QfCY9W4h&index=1

<> So which of your Lord's Favour will you deny?

Br Zainool


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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 21 August 2015 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

 

A prophet would kill someone who does not believe his teachings about God. Even though he does not know God, he would compel you to believe. A prophet cannot give you eternal life or salvation because he has not been saved either. Therefore the teachings of the prophet cannot guarantee salvation for anyone. The teachings of every prophet should be to prepare the minds of mankind to meet Christ, the Messiah (The Final of finals).


 
Peace maker, I just highlight the point I want to reply to in your reply above.

Let's see what your book says on SALVATION.

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SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD COMES WHEN THE MAN CHILD WHO WAS TO RULE ALL NATIONS

Now, let�s look at revelation 12, it mentioned:

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ� (Rev. 12:5-10).

Revelation 12 is all about future things to come after the demise of Jesus (S). (See Chapter 4 for full explanation of rev 12) It stated in Rev. 1:1

�The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass� (Rev. 1:1)

Salvation and the Kingdom of God come in the future after the demise of Jesus (S). In Luke 21 he told his disciples to look for the signs in a parable when the kingdom of God will come, it was yet to come:

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees: 30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. (Luke 21:29-30)

Now, that�s bringing us to another point, �SALVATION�. Salvation is not by blood because it comes after the demise of Jesus (S), so, this verse is a contradiction in Revelation 12:11 �And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,� (Rev 12:11

It also mentioned: �Now come�the power of Christ�

Note: It says �power of Christ�. And not Christ! In the book of Habakkuk it mentioned who will bring salvation.

Quote:

��And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. He stood and measured the earth�he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting�at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the anointed� (Habakkuk. 3:3-13(KJV)

None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran.

�And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran� (Genesis 21:21)

It is the Holy One from Mt. Paran will bring �Salvation�; and Muhammad (S) is the descendant of Ishmael.

He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting. (Habakkuk. 3:6)

 Measured the earth: Meaning: His message is for the whole earth (universal message) and His way are everlasting.

Qur�an conforms:

�We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to ALL mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against sin), but most of mankind knows not.� (Quran 34:28)

And Habakkuk mentioned the same prophet who will brig SALVATION will invade them with his troops:

��When he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.� (Habakkuk 3:16)

Histories of Islam have it that Muhammad (S) invades Mecca with ten thousand followers only kill six persons who were among the leaders:

Thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah. ((Habakkuk 3:13)

The advent of Muhammad (S) in the book of Revelation:

��when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.� (Rev. 6:1-2)

It is also mentioned in Duet. 33:2 (KJV):

And he [Moses (S)] said: the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with �ten thousand Saints�: from his right hand went a �fiery Law� for them.� (Duet. 33:2)

In these words the Lord has been compared with the �sun.� He comes from Sinai, he rises from Seir, but he shines in his full glory from Paran, where he had to appear with ten thousands of saints with a fiery law in his right hand.

 Also in Jude 1:14-15

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)

That is exactly what Muhammad (S) did: He (S) came with ten thousand saints, He (S) execute judgment upon all, He convince all that were ungodly among His people of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which they ungodly sinners have spoken against him. You don�t have to believe me, go to the internet and look his� history for yourself; and Jude 1:15 mentioned there: �15To execute judgment upon all�

Allah (S) conform it in the Qur�an:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures. (Quran  25:1)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Quran 13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong).� (Quran. 2:185)

  Muhammad (S) received revelation in the cave of Mount Hira in Arabia (Paran), later to be known as Jabal-un-Noor (Mountain of Light). After his migration to Medina, he returns and invades Mecca with �ten thousand Saints� and he establishes the �fiery Law� (Islamic law). Moses (S) is the only law giver in the O.T. and he prophesies another law giver which is Muhammad (S).                                                                          

For the LAW was given by Moses (John 1:17).Then the new Song: new law (Isaiah 42:10)

And his (the Holy one from Mt. Paran) brightness was as the light, he had horns coming out of his hand. (Habakkuk 3:4)

 Horns represent kings: Rev. 17:12 and the ten horns�are ten kings.

Qur�an conforms:

Oh Prophet! Truly, We have sent you as�a lamp spreading Light.� (Q. 33:45-46)

See how all the message fall in context? Jesus (s) also told the Jews the Kingdom of God would be taken away from them.

�Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)

The stone Jesus (S) spoke of was a �message�. If you reject Jesus (S) you automatically reject his �message� of the coming kingdom of God; and that message which is the coming kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews and given to another nation, and it would bare fruits and be �MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES�, and no other message would be able destroy it and where ever the message establish it will prevail over all other message (man-made law). Sure Jesus (S) is not the stone because he is not marvelous in our eyes. The nation that fulfilled that is no other than Ishmaelite Abraham�s (S) seeds; the God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation. It mentioned in Genesis 17: 20.

�And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis 17:20).


It mentioned in Luke: And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29)

Br. Zainool
 This one I have replied to you in your previous topic and you couldn't answer me you keep repeating the same thing over and over again by just changing the topics name and never came to the point you keep on making elongated topics which you repeatedly qoute from the Bible which muslims proclaimed is corrupted, so what is your point of your so called prophecies? You can not use a so called fake formula to concoct a real formula which in fact is worse than the fake formula.

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ� (Rev. 12:5-10).



Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 22 August 2015 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:

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Ar Rahman:

 



Qur'an Stated Chapter 55 (The Compassionate) Verses 33-36

33. O society of jinn and humans! If you can pass through the bounds of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and pass. But you will not pass except with authorization.

34. So which of your Lord's marvels will you deny?

35. You will be bombarded with flares of fire and brass, and you will not succeed.

36. So which of your Lord's marvels will you deny?


Two videos will play automatically right next to each other from NASA admitting that no one ever landed on the moon and no one is capable of flying outside the earth atmosphere, when they tried to fly higher they experienced shooting stars.



 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmEPIPDlGQM&list=PLrKdT1wKTSUdMtNP1vZaIcjP0QfCY9W4h&index=1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmEPIPDlGQM&list=PLrKdT1wKTSUdMtNP1vZaIcjP0QfCY9W4h&index=1

<> So which of your Lord's Favour will you deny?

Br Zainool

1 Corinthians 1:19-21

(19) For it is written:

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." (20) Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? (21) For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

 


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 28 September 2015 at 11:32pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:


 This one I have replied to you in your previous topic and you couldn't answer me you keep repeating the same thing over and over again by just changing the topics name and never came to the point you keep on making elongated topics which you repeatedly qoute from the Bible which muslims proclaimed is corrupted, so what is your point of your so called prophecies? You can not use a so called fake formula to concoct a real formula which in fact is worse than the fake formula.

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ� (Rev. 12:5-10).



May be I miss your reply. Can you post it here?
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 28 September 2015 at 11:49pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

1 Corinthians 1:19-21

(19) For it is written:

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." (20) Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? (21) For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

 


God Almighty will destroy wisdom of the wise men because they seek this world and cannot recognize life after death, that is foolishness to them so he give them signs to prove there case wrong that their is life after death.

But how will God Almighty destroy the wisdom of the wise man? The answer is in Isaiah 29.

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�Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.� (Isaiah 29:14)


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In Isaiah 29, God Almighty was revealing to Isaiah a prophecy of the future tense, he said: add ye year to year�. Verse 1 to 7 was about a vision of two sets of people, one will be destroyed and one will be save; and Verse 8 to 21 mentioned of a book that is seal and it would be delivered to someone who do not know to how read and at that junction the God of the Israelite would close the eyes of their Prophets, ruler and seers [For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets, and your rulers, the seers. hath he covered.�  (Isaiah 29:10 KJV)]; and remove the wisdom of the wise man by created a world system that would be �marvelous in your eyes� [Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.� (Isaiah 29:14)]; and He God Almighty mentioned in verse 18: �And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Also In Isaiah.28 which ties into Isaiah 29, God Almighty tells us how evil the Jews and their leaders will be: �But they (Jews) also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.� (Isaiah. 28:7-9). That will happen in the future with yet another prophesy of the coming of Muhammad (S), He (S) was describes as �Mighty Strong One� in Isaiah. 28:2

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 28 September 2015 at 11:55pm
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 ISAIAH 29

It begins:

1Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.

God Almighty is talking about the city where David (S) dwelt that is in Jerusalem in future tense (add ye years to years), Jerusalem will be unto God Almighty as Ariel  and He described what will happen to Ariel: 

2Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.

3And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.

4And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust. (Isaiah 29:1-4)

All those �thou and thee� supposed to referring to the �Jews� but the verse mentioned:

5Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.� (Isaiah 29:5)

There God Almighty is talking about two sets of people in Jerusalem One will be like dust and the other will be as chaff passeth away; that is the multitude of thy strangers and the multitude of the terrible ones. Who are the strangers and who are the terrible ones? Only one set of people were to be save (the strangers) who are they? God Almighty shall bring his wrath on the �multitude of the terrible ones�:

6Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire. (Isaiah 29:6)

I�ve repeat verse 5 to put the destruction in context:

Then ��the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.V5

In other words, God Almighty will destroy the �multitude of the terrible ones� with flames of devouring fire, earthquake and storm; they will be as chaff that passed away in an instant suddenly and on the other hand, �thy strangers� will remain there being like small dust.

   Who are the terrible ones and who are thy strangers? Let us find out.

It mentioned in verse7

�And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.� V.7

If all nations will fight against Ariel then who is Ariel or what is Ariel? It says in verse1-2

�Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices. 2Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel. V.1-2

God Almighty is talking about the city where David (S) dwelt that is in Jerusalem, it will be unto God Almighty as Ariel and God Almighty call Ariel �Her� in Verse 7: 7And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her��

�Her� would have to be �thy stranger� and �Her� also refers to the �church� in the future tense. According to some Christian�s Scholars �woman� represents church and some says �woman� represents the Jewish�s nation and they were always addressed as �her�. Why in the Old Testament they were addresses as �her� was because the Church was with them. However, the woman represents the �church� and not the �Jewish nation!� I have already given a full explained in chapter 2.

Again if we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and Rev.11 verse 4 both tied into each other and it reflects the meaning of the �WOMAN� as the Church. It mentioned:

�And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)  

�And to the woman were given two wingsthat she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14)

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev.11:3-4)  

The evidence that the woman represents the church is that the woman was given �two wings� and fled into the wilderness for 1,260 days where the same period also reflect in Rev.11:4. Those �two wings� are the two witnesses, the two olive trees and two candles stick; and the Candlesticks represent churches: 

��the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)

So, we can conclude that the �woman� represents the �Church�

Also if we go to Revelation 19 and read verse 7-9 we would recognize that the woman represents the church. It mentioned:

�Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.� (Rev. 19:7-8)

The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came fromher and she� which is referring to the �church� when the church would have well established for the coming of the Messiah. So we can see from that proof the �woman� represents the �Church� and not the Jewish�s nation.

 

 

Now, the �multitude of the terrible ones� was described as all Nations� who would be fight against the �church in the future� then God Almighty will destroy them with flames of devouring fire, earthquake and storm; when the destruction will come upon them verse 7- 8 mentioned the state in which they will be in:

�And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel� shall be as a dream of a night vision. 8It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.� V. 7-8

You see it mentioned mount Zion that would be new mount Zion. This whole night vision would become a book that is seal, and it would be then given to an illiterate person and the church will be with his followers who will be like strangers in Jerusalem in the future. When all nations would fight against them suddenly the final destruction will come upon them.

V6Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.

And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - (KJV)

12And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. ( http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 - - KJV)


   What is important to note here is the Devil recognize that Muhammad (s) fulfilled that prophecy so they (Devils) move in and retranslates it to change the meaning; the change �and� to �or if� to make it look as if it is a suggestion in the NIV translation, let�s check out it reads:

11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I can�t; it is sealed.� 12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I don�t know how to read.�

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammads_first_revelation - Muhammad (s) used to go up mountain cave, called Ghar-Hera, in Arabia (Mt. Paran) to meditate. While he was there an angel, later identified as Gabriel, commanded him saying: �read� and he respond by saying: �I am not learned,� the angel repeat the act three times, then Muhammad (S) began to repeat the command of the angel which became the first five verse of surah 96, Al-Alaq, of the Qur�an. 

Read: In the name of thy Lord who created. Created man from a clot. Read: and thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who taught by the pen, Taught man which he knew not. (Q. 96:1-5)

 Allah conform it in the Quran:

Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q. 7:157).

   Torah: Isaiah29:12 and Gospel: John 16:13 ��for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear� [from angel Gabriel (S)].

And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q. 53:3-5)

Br. ainool



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 28 September 2015 at 11:58pm
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Just to elaborate, I would explain two points:

1)    Isaiah is having a vision of a book that is seal.

 

2)    When that seal book is given to someone who is learned they would not understand it.

  The Quran is a book that is seal. To understand it we have to use the explanation of Muhammad�s (S) which is His� sunnah, Example: Quran tells us to pray but it does not explain how to performs it, we have to seek the explanation of The Prophet (S) that we call the sunnah. The sunnah is also a revelation from Allah (S) a brief explanation will suffice. 

 Allah (S) mentioned in the Qur�an:

Had not the Grace of All�h and His Mercy been upon you (O Muhammad), a party of them would certainly have made a decision to mislead you, but (in fact) they mislead none except their own selves, and no harm can they do to you in the least. All�h has sent down to you the Book (The Qur'�n), and AlHikmah (Isl�mic laws, knowledge of legal and illegal things i.e. the Prophet's Sunnah - legal ways), and taught you that which you knew not. And Ever Great is the Grace of All�h unto you (O Muhammad). (Qur. 11:3)

  Just to look at two points in that verse: Allah (S) has sent down two things the book and AlHikmah (wisdom) and He taught Muhammad (S) what he didn�t Knew before.

  Commenting on this verse Imam ash-Shaafi'ee's said:

"Allah has mentioned that 'the book' (Al-Kitaab) which is the Quran and he mentioned 'The wisdom' (al- Hikmah) and I have learnt from the people of knowledgr that  'al- hikmah' is the Sunnah of Allah's Messenger (S)�."

 

Allah tells us in the Quran16:64 

�And we have revealed the Book (al-kitaab) unto thee only that thou mayst explain unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.� (Quran 16:64) 

    Exactly as Isaiah prophesy! Without the explanations (The Sunnah) �the one learned� would not understand it; and the book was given to an illiterate prophet saying: �Read� and he would have to reply: �I am not learned�. Exactly, that is what happened to Muhammad (S) according history.

3)    "AND" the book is given to someone who is not learned.

 

4)    And he would say: "I am not learned."

     That seal book is the same one that mentioned in Revelation chapter 10 which I have already explained in chapter 5 which John did not wrote but is yet to come.

 Why God Almighty send the seal book with an unlettered Prophet? Isaiah (S) tells us:

�Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have remove their heart far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men. (Isaiah 29:13).

   Because of what the Jews were doing the God of Isaiah closed your eyes of the Jewish prophets, and their rulers.

 �For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets, and your rulers, the seers. hath he covered.  (Isaiah 29:10 KJV)

 Remember God Almighty was talking to Isaiah and he addressing the Jews there for the follow the law of men instead of the law of God Almighty and they honor Him with their lips and not their heart so He closes prophet hood with them. It was also mentioned in Islam:

Adee ibn Haatim said: I heard Allah�s Messenger (pubh) recite: They (Jews and the Christian) took their Rabbis and their Monks to be their Lords beside Allah. (Q. 9:31)

So I said, �O Messenger of Allah, they did not worship them,� so He (pbuh) said, �Verily if they {Rabbis and Monks} made something permissible for them, then they made it permissible and if they made something forbidden to them, they made it forbidden- that is their worship of them.� [Reported by at-Tirmidhee(5/278)]

Jesus (s) also conform the same thing in Matthew 15

15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? (Matt. 15:1-3)

Their tradition is their man-made law, their opinions.

For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matt. 15:4-9)

Luke added in 7: 13:[13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. (Luke 7:13)]

10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. (Matt. 15:10-11)

   In other words, eating without washing of the hand is not from the word of God so doing it does not defiled you; and Jesus (s) said, it has to root out, not to be obeyed in verse 13:

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. (Matt. 15:12-13)

He then continued:

14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? (Matt. 15:14-16)

 Even the disciples did not understand. Verse 17 clearly conforming that Jesus (S) was talking about ��washing of the hands� before eating of food is their own tradition and not the word of God.

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. (Matt. 15:17-20)

     Why unwashed hand defiled not a man? Because it is not of the law it is their opinion, their traditions: But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?�13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. In other words, their tradition is not from God or the word of God and it should be obeyed. Same story mentioned in Mark 7:

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:7-9)

Note: I want to make one important point; Christians are using this passage to give them license to eat Pork and other unclean meat the law forbidden. Jesus (s) never give the green light to eat unclean meat in the passage, he give them green light to eat with unwashed hand because it is not from the law; eating of pork in against the law of God:  8 �And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase�. (Deut.14:8).

When you eat unclean thing its defile the body so that the Devil can indwell it; the Holy Spirit (Ruh) does not come upon anyone whose body is defile.

Br. Zainool


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 29 September 2015 at 12:00am
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After said that this is what the God Almighty said he will do when he would have sent that seal book:

�Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.� (Isaiah 29:14)

   Then He passes judgment on the Jews who follow man-made law, [and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men. (Isaiah. 29:13)]. He said:

�Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their work are in darkness, and they say, who Seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things up-side down shall be esteemed as the putter�s clay�� (V.15-16)

The Jews stop seeking God�s help and following all his law in totally, their leadership no longer sanctioned by God, they are in total darkness thinking God Almighty is not seeing them so they start changing the law of God with their own man-made law turning things up-side down but every law they change will be none effect. 

He God Almighty then informs them in the day when that seal book would have come the deaf will understand and the blind shall see, in other words who are blind they will recognize the truth and only the unjust will reject the truth.

And in that day shall the deaf hear the word of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and they among men shall rejoice in the Holy one of Israel. (Isaiah 29:18-19)

It mentioned there: �And in that day�. Which day? That is the day when that seal book would have delivered to the illiterate prophet then shall the deaf hear the word of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness and the meek shall increase their joy in the Lord.

Notice in verse 19 it mentioned there: they among men shall rejoice in the Holy one of Israel How suddenly the O.T arrived with the �Holy One of Israel� where as in Verse 10 the God of the O.T.  has poured out a spirit of deep sleep and closed the eye of the Prophets of the Jews? It is a contradiction! For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets, and your rulers, the seers. hath he covered� (Isaiah 29:10 KJV). The prophet-hood end there for the Jews. No illiterate Jewish prophet ever fulfill this prophesy until this day! That�s a concoction!

 He Allah (S) mentioned in the Qur�an when He said:

�O Children of Israel! Call to mind the (special) favors which I bestowed upon you, and I preferred you to all others (of your time period, in the past). (Q. 2:47)

 BUT HE ALLAH (S) SAID, THE JEWS

�in that they broke the Covenant; that they reject the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right�Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy�That they REJECTED FAITH.� (Q. 4:155-156)

 And this book came after Jesus (S), so it was given to the Comforter. Coming of that book the kingdom of God will be taken away from the Jews.

 

THE KINGDOM OF GOD SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE JEWS.

Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42)

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

  What is marvelous in our eyes? It is the message, it would be given to another nation and it will bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes. If you reject Jesus (S) you reject his message, and the stone �represent his message� Sure, Jesus (S) is not �marvelous in our eyes,� and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail. What Isaiah said? Let�s see how it falls in context with Isaiah 20: 14:

�Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.�(Isaiah  29: 14)

 Jesus (S) said:

�Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.� (Matt. 21:43)

  That nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham�s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation:

�And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis 17:20)

That prophecy fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S) who is a descendant of Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It isn�t true Muhammad (S) message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in our eyes? Look at Mecca, the largest congregation on the face of the earth bringing people of all races and colour, the rich and the poor standing side by side shoulder to shoulder worshiping the one true God Allah (S)?

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:16&version=9 - tells us that the Kedarites who is the descendants of Ishmael [13 And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations� Kedar�(Genesis 25:13)] was in darkness and God Almighty will bring them from darkness to light.

Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock, let them shout from the top of the mountains. (Isaiah. 42:11)  

�And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in the path that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them (Kedarites: Ishmaelite), and not forsake them.� (Isaiah 42:16)

 God Almighty did not forget the Ishmaelite he brings them out of darkness into light, he lead them into a path they knew not with the advent of Muhammad (S).

Br. Zainool



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 29 September 2015 at 12:01am
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THE SEALING OF THE BOOK AND THE OPENING OF THE SEAL BOOK

In the book of Daniel the God of the bible seal the understanding of all the messages in the scriptures on till the end time then he will reveal it or reveal all the truth. This is what the God Almighty says:

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. (Daniel 12:9)  

But thou, O Daniel, s*****p the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Daniel 12:4)

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. (Daniel 12:10)

Coming of that �seal book� that mentioned in Revelation 10 is the �key� to unlock all the scriptures at the end time:

�But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall �begin to sound:� the �mystery of God should finish� as he declared to his servants the prophets.� (Rev. 10:7)

  In the days when this little book shall revealall the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed).� The book was never written according to John: �seal up those things�and write them not.�

 All the truth with the coming of the Qur�an:

�� And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to All�h as Muslims)�. (Qur�an 16:89)

Allah the almighty reminds the people who call themselves Christian of their forgetfulness:

�From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Q. 5:14)

This is what they have forgotten:

�And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: �O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of All�h unto you confirming the Taur�t [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.� But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: �This is plain magic.�� (Qur�an 61:6-9)

Then He Allah (S) said:

�O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhammad (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Q.5:15)

�So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhammad (S) and the message he brought]. (Q.3:50)

Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q. 17:9)




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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!


Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 29 September 2015 at 12:51pm
@Truthnowcome

Are you talking to yourself ?


Airmano

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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")


Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 03 October 2015 at 12:18am

 Zainoo your ambigiuos prophecies about Muhammad was actually summond for the tribe of Ephraim  and it had happen in thier time.

Isaiah 28:2  Look! Jehovah has someone strong and mighty. Like a thundering hailstorm, a destructive windstorm, Like a thunderstorm of powerful  floodwaters, He will forcefully hurl it down to the earth.  3  The  showy crowns of the drunkards of Ephraim
If you read a but further you see God talked about Mount Zion and it very far away from the location from where Muhammad have come from.
So this has been refuted.

 Isaiah 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. (Zainoo do you know where is Jerusalem?)

16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.(Zainoo do you know where Zion is?)

I myself without a panel of experts can see there is nothing here that even gave a slightest relation to a prophecy of Muhammad so I don't know how can you make this assumptions that it was a prophecy. 



Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 03 October 2015 at 2:01am
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:

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 ISAIAH 29

It begins:

1Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.

God Almighty is talking about the city where David (S) dwelt that is in Jerusalem in future tense (add ye years to years), Jerusalem will be unto God Almighty as Ariel  and He described what will happen to Ariel: 

2Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.

3And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.

4And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust. (Isaiah 29:1-4)

All those �thou and thee� supposed to referring to the �Jews� but the verse mentioned:

5Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.� (Isaiah 29:5)

There God Almighty is talking about two sets of people in Jerusalem One will be like dust and the other will be as chaff passeth away; that is the multitude of thy strangers and the multitude of the terrible ones. Who are the strangers and who are the terrible ones? Only one set of people were to be save (the strangers) who are they? God Almighty shall bring his wrath on the �multitude of the terrible ones�:

6Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire. (Isaiah 29:6)

I�ve repeat verse 5 to put the destruction in context:

Then ��the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.V5

In other words, God Almighty will destroy the �multitude of the terrible ones� with flames of devouring fire, earthquake and storm; they will be as chaff that passed away in an instant suddenly and on the other hand, �thy strangers� will remain there being like small dust.

   Who are the terrible ones and who are thy strangers? Let us find out.

It mentioned in verse7

�And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.� V.7

If all nations will fight against Ariel then who is Ariel or what is Ariel? It says in verse1-2

�Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices. 2Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel. V.1-2

God Almighty is talking about the city where David (S) dwelt that is in Jerusalem, it will be unto God Almighty as Ariel and God Almighty call Ariel �Her� in Verse 7: 7And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her��

�Her� would have to be �thy stranger� and �Her� also refers to the �church� in the future tense. According to some Christian�s Scholars �woman� represents church and some says �woman� represents the Jewish�s nation and they were always addressed as �her�. Why in the Old Testament they were addresses as �her� was because the Church was with them. However, the woman represents the �church� and not the �Jewish nation!� I have already given a full explained in chapter 2.

Again if we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and Rev.11 verse 4 both tied into each other and it reflects the meaning of the �WOMAN� as the Church. It mentioned:

�And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)  

�And to the woman were given two wingsthat she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14)

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev.11:3-4)  

The evidence that the woman represents the church is that the woman was given �two wings� and fled into the wilderness for 1,260 days where the same period also reflect in Rev.11:4. Those �two wings� are the two witnesses, the two olive trees and two candles stick; and the Candlesticks represent churches: 

��the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)

So, we can conclude that the �woman� represents the �Church�

Also if we go to Revelation 19 and read verse 7-9 we would recognize that the woman represents the church. It mentioned:

�Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.� (Rev. 19:7-8)

The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came fromher and she� which is referring to the �church� when the church would have well established for the coming of the Messiah. So we can see from that proof the �woman� represents the �Church� and not the Jewish�s nation.

 

 

Now, the �multitude of the terrible ones� was described as all Nations� who would be fight against the �church in the future� then God Almighty will destroy them with flames of devouring fire, earthquake and storm; when the destruction will come upon them verse 7- 8 mentioned the state in which they will be in:

�And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel� shall be as a dream of a night vision. 8It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.� V. 7-8

You see it mentioned mount Zion that would be new mount Zion. This whole night vision would become a book that is seal, and it would be then given to an illiterate person and the church will be with his followers who will be like strangers in Jerusalem in the future. When all nations would fight against them suddenly the final destruction will come upon them.

V6Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.

And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - (KJV)

12And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. ( http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 - - KJV)


   What is important to note here is the Devil recognize that Muhammad (s) fulfilled that prophecy so they (Devils) move in and retranslates it to change the meaning; the change �and� to �or if� to make it look as if it is a suggestion in the NIV translation, let�s check out it reads:

11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I can�t; it is sealed.� 12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I don�t know how to read.�

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammads_first_revelation - Muhammad (s) used to go up mountain cave, called Ghar-Hera, in Arabia (Mt. Paran) to meditate. While he was there an angel, later identified as Gabriel, commanded him saying: �read� and he respond by saying: �I am not learned,� the angel repeat the act three times, then Muhammad (S) began to repeat the command of the angel which became the first five verse of surah 96, Al-Alaq, of the Qur�an. 

Read: In the name of thy Lord who created. Created man from a clot. Read: and thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who taught by the pen, Taught man which he knew not. (Q. 96:1-5)

 Allah conform it in the Quran:

Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q. 7:157).

   Torah: Isaiah29:12 and Gospel: John 16:13 ��for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear� [from angel Gabriel (S)].

And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q. 53:3-5)

Br. ainool

 

Isaiah 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

 14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

 15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

 16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter�s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Here Isaiah said, is it not yet a very little while so it was in very little while there Isaiah has already refuted your so called prophecy of Muhammad.
 17 Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?

 18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Here Isaiah said men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Isreal then who is tthe Holy One of Isreal? 
 19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

 21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.

 22 Therefore thus saith the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.

 23 But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.(Who is the Holy one Jacob? hmmmm certainly not Muhammad.)

 24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

What do you mean by this? the sealed scroll was completed ,and the Quran was writen 150 years after Muhammad passed away so it was not a sealed scroll everybody could read it  so whats the point?
 
What is important to note here is the Devil recognize that Muhammad (s) fulfilled that prophecy so they (Devils) move in and retranslates it to change the meaning; the change �and� to �or if� to make it look as if it is a suggestion in the NIV translation, let�s check out it reads:

11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I can�t; it is sealed.� 12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I don�t know how to read.�

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammads_first_revelation - Muhammad (s) used to go up mountain cave, called Ghar-Hera, in Arabia (Mt. Paran) to meditate. While he was there an angel, later identified as Gabriel, commanded him saying: �read� and he respond by saying: �I am not learned,� the angel repeat the act three times, then Muhammad (S) began to repeat the command of the angel which became the first five verse of surah 96, Al-Alaq, of the Qur�an.

Lets make your statement clear have you studied geography do you know where is the location of Mount Paran? 
 

The second problem is of course that (the Wilderness of) Paran in the Bible is not Arabia. The traditional view is that Paran is in the Sinai Peninsula, starting at Kadesh Barnea, which is south of Israel. Consider the following:

Hadad the Edomite, during the reign of Solomon, escaped to Egypt when he was a boy (1 Kings 11:17). "They set out from Midian and went to Paran. Then taking men from Paran with them, they went to Egypt..." (1 Kings 11:8-19). To think that Hadad set out from Midian (which is south east (SE) of Israel, near the Sinai in the Arabian Peninsula, go up north east east (NEE) to "Paran" (Mecca), then somehow end up in Egypt (south west of Mecca) is unthinkable.

The Israelites left Sinai (after receiving the Law) for the Desert of Paran (Numbers 10:12), on the way passing through Kibroth Hattavah (Numbers 11:34), Hazeroth (Numbers 12:16), and settling at Kadesh [Barnea] of Paran (Numbers 13:26), which is the northern part of the desert. From Paran, spies were sent to Canaan to check out the land (Numbers 13:3). The spies' exploration took them from Paran through the Desert of Zin (south of Israel), Rehob, Lebo Hamath, Negev, Hebron (Numbers 13:21-22). The southern boundary of the Israelite promised land is given as "Your southern side will include some of the Desert of Zin along the border of Edom. On the east, your southern boundary wll start from the end of the Salt Sea [i.e. Dead Sea], cross south of the Scorpion Pass, continue on to Zin and go south of Kadesh Barnea. Then it will go to Hazar Addar and over to Azmon, where it will turn, join the Wadi of Egypt and end at the Sea [i.e.,Mediterranean]" (Numbers 34:3-5). Zin and Kadesh are clearly to the south of Israel, so to demand that Paran is on the east of Israel requires an impossible boundary.



Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 03 October 2015 at 5:54am
Zainoo how you declare a prophecy from the Bible and convert into a muslim prophecy of Muhammad?
That prophecy fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S) who is a descendant of Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It isn�t true Muhammad (S) message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in our eyes? Look at Mecca, the largest congregation on the face of the earth bringing people of all races and colour, the rich and the poor standing side by side shoulder to shoulder worshiping the one true God Allah (S)?
God's flock is actually small in comparison of over 1.6 billion muslims. 

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32

God is working in all our lives preparing us physically, mentally and Spiritually, that we may be ready to enter into His Kingdom.

It is the Father's good pleasure that we receive the Kingdom. The Father has prepared the Kingdom for His people. Men have formed big organizations with large congregations under the headship of man and hoped God would accept it as His Kingdom.

A study of history reveals that this is what Constantine tried to do when he formed the Catholic church. He took all the idol worship and all religions and put them under the cross. They slaughtered thousands during the Crusades because people would not accept Catholicism.

The Moslem history reveals this same, sad situation. If the people did not accept their religion, they would kill them. This feeling exists today in the denominations. They may not put us to the sword, but their tongues are busy.

Religions want to bring all people under their banner. They say this would bring "unity". But they do not have unity now. If they had more people, they would only have more "disunity".

The church has one head, and that head is Christ. It has one headquarters, and that headquarters is His throne. Jesus spoke, 

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32

If this was a vast multitude, I believe Jesus would have known it. He is going to give His Kingdom to the few; His little flock, those who are led by the head, Christ, the Holy Spirit; not man.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." John 10:25-27

In my opinion this sounds like the 144,000 chosen ones 12000 each out of the 12 Tribes of Isreal  spoken of in Revelation. It says, �Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father�s name written on their foreheads.� (Revelation 14:1) Also it says of these people that, ��it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.� (Revelation 14:4-5)

These people have reached the completed state of being transformed into the image of Christ. There is no lie in their mouth, they are spotless and it says they �follow the Lamb wherever he goes,� and to be a true follower you must be like Jesus in every way. It is no wonder that it would be the Father�s good pleasure to give this flock the kingdom.What we also see about these people is that when they enter God�s kingdom they enter singing for it says, ��they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth.� (Revelation 14:3) They truly have reason for joy in the Lord and they sing a new song that only they will learn.



Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 20 October 2015 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:



Isaiah 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

 14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

 15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

 16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter�s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Here Isaiah said, is it not yet a very little while so it was in very little while there Isaiah has already refuted your so called prophecy of Muhammad.
 17 Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?

 18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Here Isaiah said men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Isreal then who is tthe Holy One of Isreal? 
 19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

 21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.

 22 Therefore thus saith the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.

 23 But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.(Who is the Holy one Jacob? hmmmm certainly not Muhammad.)

 24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

What do you mean by this? the sealed scroll was completed ,and the Quran was writen 150 years after Muhammad passed away so it was not a sealed scroll everybody could read it  so whats the point?
 
What is important to note here is the Devil recognize that Muhammad (s) fulfilled that prophecy so they (Devils) move in and retranslates it to change the meaning; the change �and� to �or if� to make it look as if it is a suggestion in the NIV translation, let�s check out it reads:

11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I can�t; it is sealed.� 12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I don�t know how to read.�

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammads_first_revelation - Muhammad (s) used to go up mountain cave, called Ghar-Hera, in Arabia (Mt. Paran) to meditate. While he was there an angel, later identified as Gabriel, commanded him saying: �read� and he respond by saying: �I am not learned,� the angel repeat the act three times, then Muhammad (S) began to repeat the command of the angel which became the first five verse of surah 96, Al-Alaq, of the Qur�an.



What, you didn't see the answer is here:

After said that this is what the God Almighty said he will do when he would have sent that seal book:

�Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.� (Isaiah 29:14)

   Then He passes judgment on the Jews who follow man-made law, [and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men. (Isaiah. 29:13)]. He said:

�Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their work are in darkness, and they say, who Seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things up-side down shall be esteemed as the putter�s clay�� (V.15-16)

The Jews stop seeking God�s help and following all his law in totally, their leadership no longer sanctioned by God, they are in total darkness thinking God Almighty is not seeing them so they start changing the law of God with their own man-made law turning things up-side down but every law they change will be none effect. 

He God Almighty then informs them in the day when that seal book would have come the deaf will understand and the blind shall see, in other words who are blind they will recognize the truth and only the unjust will reject the truth.

And in that day shall the deaf hear the word of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and they among men shall rejoice in the Holy one of Israel. (Isaiah 29:18-19)

It mentioned there: �And in that day�. Which day? That is the day when that seal book would have delivered to the illiterate prophet then shall the deaf hear the word of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness and the meek shall increase their joy in the Lord.

Notice in verse 19 it mentioned there: they among men shall rejoice in the Holy one of Israel How suddenly the O.T arrived with the �Holy One of Israel� where as in Verse 10 the God of the O.T.  has poured out a spirit of deep sleep and closed the eye of the Prophets of the Jews? It is a contradiction! For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets, and your rulers, the seers. hath he covered� (Isaiah 29:10 KJV). The prophet-hood end there for the Jews. No illiterate Jewish prophet ever fulfill this prophesy until this day! That�s a concoction!


 He Allah (S) mentioned in the Qur�an when He said:

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, �That is from Allah,� But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Q. 3:78)

  • Ye People of the Book! Why do you mix truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, while ye have knowledge. (Q. 3:71)
  • People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Q. 5:15)
  • �So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed (S) and the message he brought]. (Q. 3:50)
  • Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q.17:9)
  • Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee� (Q. 5:47-48)
  • Say: �O People of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that comes to us and that which came before (us)�?� (Q. 5:59)

�O Children of Israel! Call to mind the (special) favors which I bestowed upon you, and I preferred you to all others (of your time period, in the past). (Q. 2:47)

 BUT HE ALLAH (S) SAID, THE JEWS

�in that they broke the Covenant; that they reject the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right�Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy�That they REJECTED FAITH.� (Q. 4:155-156)

 And that book came after Jesus (S), so it was given to the Comforter. Coming of that book the kingdom of God will be taken away from the Jews.

THE KINGDOM OF GOD SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE JEWS.

Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42)

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

  What is marvelous in our eyes? It is the message, it would be given to another nation and it will bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes. If you reject Jesus (S) you reject his message, and the stone �represent his message� Sure, Jesus (S) is not �marvelous in our eyes,� and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail. What Isaiah said? Let�s see how it falls in context with Isaiah 20: 14:

�Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.�(Isaiah  29: 14)

 Jesus (S) said:

�Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.� (Matt. 21:43)

  That nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham�s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation:

�And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis 17:20)

Br. zainool


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 20 October 2015 at 10:03pm
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Originally posted by Peace
maker Peace maker wrote:

16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.(Zainoo do you know where Zion is?)

I myself without a panel of experts can see there is nothing here that even gave a slightest relation to a prophecy of Muhammad so I don't know how can you make this assumptions that it was a prophecy. 


It seems to me you don't understand this statement:

�We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know not.� (Qur. 34:28). 

And this this:

Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you the kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.�

That nation is the Ishmaelite the seed of Abraham! Did Muhammed (S) preach the Quran to the Jews?

Learn the history of Islam how the verses of the Quran was reveal and in it's context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7cd2LG1vvE&list=PLWV9AumpGdP8z5lnEuodN0xAwA3cBsQ0a&index=2&spfreload=10 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7cd2LG1vvE&list=PLWV9AumpGdP8z5lnEuodN0xAwA3cBsQ0a&index=2&spfreload=10

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 20 October 2015 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Zainoo how you declare a prophecy from the Bible and convert into a muslim prophecy of Muhammad?
That prophecy fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S) who is a descendant of Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It isn�t true Muhammad (S) message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in our eyes? Look at Mecca, the largest congregation on the face of the earth bringing people of all races and colour, the rich and the poor standing side by side shoulder to shoulder worshiping the one true God Allah (S)?
God's flock is actually small in comparison of over 1.6 billion muslims. 

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32

God is working in all our lives preparing us physically, mentally and Spiritually, that we may be ready to enter into His Kingdom.

It is the Father's good pleasure that we receive the Kingdom. The Father has prepared the Kingdom for His people. Men have formed big organizations with large congregations under the headship of man and hoped God would accept it as His Kingdom.

A study of history reveals that this is what Constantine tried to do when he formed the Catholic church. He took all the idol worship and all religions and put them under the cross. They slaughtered thousands during the Crusades because people would not accept Catholicism.

The Moslem history reveals this same, sad situation. If the people did not accept their religion, they would kill them. This feeling exists today in the denominations. They may not put us to the sword, but their tongues are busy.

Religions want to bring all people under their banner. They say this would bring "unity". But they do not have unity now. If they had more people, they would only have more "disunity".

The church has one head, and that head is Christ. It has one headquarters, and that headquarters is His throne. Jesus spoke, 

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32

If this was a vast multitude, I believe Jesus would have known it. He is going to give His Kingdom to the few; His little flock, those who are led by the head, Christ, the Holy Spirit; not man.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." John 10:25-27

In my opinion this sounds like the 144,000 chosen ones 12000 each out of the 12 Tribes of Isreal  spoken of in Revelation. It says, �Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father�s name written on their foreheads.� (Revelation 14:1) Also it says of these people that, ��it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.� (Revelation 14:4-5)

These people have reached the completed state of being transformed into the image of Christ. There is no lie in their mouth, they are spotless and it says they �follow the Lamb wherever he goes,� and to be a true follower you must be like Jesus in every way. It is no wonder that it would be the Father�s good pleasure to give this flock the kingdom.What we also see about these people is that when they enter God�s kingdom they enter singing for it says, ��they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth.� (Revelation 14:3) They truly have reason for joy in the Lord and they sing a new song that only they will learn.

  You never refute this so your opinion is hot air:

At the time of Jesus (S) his disciples thought that the kingdom of God would come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� (Luke 17:20)

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

God's flock is actually small in comparison of over 1.6 billion muslims. 

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32

God is working in all our lives preparing us physically, mentally and Spiritually, that we may be ready to enter into His Kingdom.

 
Comparison:

but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches.
<> Book of Daniel 2: 44 (44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Daniel 2:44)

The �grain of mustard seed� is a �message, the word of God to come� [Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God�. (Luke 8:11)], and the �man� is the one who will deliver that message. What is more important is this �man child� would come from another nation because Jesus (S) informed us that the Kingdom of God which is the word of God would be taken away from the Israelites and given to another nation he informed us when he said:

�Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)

Jesus (S) spoke of this man child in John 3:13 It is mentioned:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13).

Jesus (S) was the Son of man and was �on the earth�; he then spoke of another Son of man which is �IN HEAVEN�

Jesus said: ��BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNEW THEM.� (Matt. 7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES

Mecca project 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSyv8klhbI - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSyv8klhbI


Jesus said: ��BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNEW THEM.� (Matt. 7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES

Br. zainool



 



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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 23 October 2015 at 9:13am
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Zainoo how you declare a prophecy from the Bible and convert into a muslim prophecy of Muhammad?
That prophecy fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S) who is a descendant of Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It isn�t true Muhammad (S) message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in our eyes? Look at Mecca, the largest congregation on the face of the earth bringing people of all races and colour, the rich and the poor standing side by side shoulder to shoulder worshiping the one true God Allah (S)?
God's flock is actually small in comparison of over 1.6 billion muslims. 

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32

God is working in all our lives preparing us physically, mentally and Spiritually, that we may be ready to enter into His Kingdom.

It is the Father's good pleasure that we receive the Kingdom. The Father has prepared the Kingdom for His people. Men have formed big organizations with large congregations under the headship of man and hoped God would accept it as His Kingdom.

A study of history reveals that this is what Constantine tried to do when he formed the Catholic church. He took all the idol worship and all religions and put them under the cross. They slaughtered thousands during the Crusades because people would not accept Catholicism.

The Moslem history reveals this same, sad situation. If the people did not accept their religion, they would kill them. This feeling exists today in the denominations. They may not put us to the sword, but their tongues are busy.

Religions want to bring all people under their banner. They say this would bring "unity". But they do not have unity now. If they had more people, they would only have more "disunity".

The church has one head, and that head is Christ. It has one headquarters, and that headquarters is His throne. Jesus spoke, 

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32

If this was a vast multitude, I believe Jesus would have known it. He is going to give His Kingdom to the few; His little flock, those who are led by the head, Christ, the Holy Spirit; not man.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." John 10:25-27

In my opinion this sounds like the 144,000 chosen ones 12000 each out of the 12 Tribes of Isreal  spoken of in Revelation. It says, �Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father�s name written on their foreheads.� (Revelation 14:1) Also it says of these people that, ��it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.� (Revelation 14:4-5)

These people have reached the completed state of being transformed into the image of Christ. There is no lie in their mouth, they are spotless and it says they �follow the Lamb wherever he goes,� and to be a true follower you must be like Jesus in every way. It is no wonder that it would be the Father�s good pleasure to give this flock the kingdom.What we also see about these people is that when they enter God�s kingdom they enter singing for it says, ��they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth.� (Revelation 14:3) They truly have reason for joy in the Lord and they sing a new song that only they will learn.

  You never refute this so your opinion is hot air:

At the time of Jesus (S) his disciples thought that the kingdom of God would come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� (Luke 17:20)

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

God's flock is actually small in comparison of over 1.6 billion muslims. 

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32

God is working in all our lives preparing us physically, mentally and Spiritually, that we may be ready to enter into His Kingdom.

 
Comparison:

but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches.
<> Book of Daniel 2: 44 (44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Daniel 2:44)

The �grain of mustard seed� is a �message, the word of God to come� [Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God�. (Luke 8:11)], and the �man� is the one who will deliver that message. What is more important is this �man child� would come from another nation because Jesus (S) informed us that the Kingdom of God which is the word of God would be taken away from the Israelites and given to another nation he informed us when he said:

�Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)

Jesus (S) spoke of this man child in John 3:13 It is mentioned:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13).

Jesus (S) was the Son of man and was �on the earth�; he then spoke of another Son of man which is �IN HEAVEN�

Jesus said: ��BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNEW THEM.� (Matt. 7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES

Mecca project 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSyv8klhbI - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSyv8klhbI


Jesus said: ��BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNEW THEM.� (Matt. 7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES

Br. zainool



 

 I do not have to refute you cause you keep qouting from the Bible so you refute yourself you don't KNOW what you are reading.
 
Zainoo how do intrepreted this or do you mean the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN was it Muhammad so you came to this wild decision and make up a lie that he came down from heaven
 

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13).

1There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. 2After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. �Rabbi,� he said, �we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.�3Jesus replied, �I tell you the truth, unless you are born again,  Or born from above; also in 3:7.

 you cannot see the Kingdom of God.�4�What do you mean?� exclaimed Nicodemus. �How can an old man go back into his mother�s womb and be born again?�5Jesus replied, �I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

  Or and spirit. The Greek word for Spirit can also be translated wind; see 3:8.

 6Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.#

  Greek what is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 7So don�t be surprised when I say, �You  The Greek word for you is plural; also in 3:12.

 must be born again.� 8The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can�t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can�t explain how people are born of the Spirit.�9�How are these things possible?� Nicodemus asked.10Jesus replied, �You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don�t understand these things? 11I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won�t believe our testimony. 12But if you don�t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man  Some manuscripts add who lives in heaven. �Son of Man� is a title Jesus used for himself. has come down from heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.  Or everyone who believes will have eternal life in him.16�For this is how God loved the world: He gave

  Or For God loved the world so much that he gave.

 his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.(HAVE READ VERSE 16 ZAINOOOO)



Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 11 July 2016 at 1:46am
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:



 I do not have to refute you cause you keep qouting from the Bible so you refute yourself you don't KNOW what you are reading.
 
Zainoo how do intrepreted this or do you mean the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN was it Muhammad so you came to this wild decision and make up a lie that he came down from heaven
 

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13).

1There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. 2After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. �Rabbi,� he said, �we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.�3Jesus replied, �I tell you the truth, unless you are born again,  Or born from above; also in 3:7.

 you cannot see the Kingdom of God.�4�What do you mean?� exclaimed Nicodemus. �How can an old man go back into his mother�s womb and be born again?�5Jesus replied, �I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

  Or and spirit. The Greek word for Spirit can also be translated wind; see 3:8.

 6Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.#

  Greek what is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 7So don�t be surprised when I say, �You  The Greek word for you is plural; also in 3:12.

 must be born again.� 8The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can�t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can�t explain how people are born of the Spirit.�9�How are these things possible?� Nicodemus asked.10Jesus replied, �You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don�t understand these things? 11I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won�t believe our testimony. 12But if you don�t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man  Some manuscripts add who lives in heaven. �Son of Man� is a title Jesus used for himself. has come down from heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.  Or everyone who believes will have eternal life in him.16�For this is how God loved the world: He gave

  Or For God loved the world so much that he gave.

 his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.(HAVE READ VERSE 16 ZAINOOOO)

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Now you make yourself a fool!

If you had read my entire message in context you would have not reply foolishly.

The answer is in this thread:

THE KINGDOM OF GOD JUL 29-2015

http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34212 - http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34212


11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

CAN YOU SEE THE WORD OF GOD WHEN IT IS REVEALING? THE ANSWER IS NO! ONLY WHO WERE REVERTED (BORN OF WATER AND SPRITE) ACCEPT THE TRUTH AND BAPTIZE AT THE TIME OF JESUS (s).

Notice, Jesus (S) was informing us in a parable that the �Kingdom of God� is like �a grain of mustard seed� which is to be �sow in the field�. What does the mustard seed represent? To know that let�s see how Jesus (S) used it in Luke 8: 4-11. It mentioned:

And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:

A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?

10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light. (Luke 8:4-16)

As we can see the �seed is the word of God�; so that would mean the coming Kingdom of God is another message to come which would brought by a man who will sow it in the field and the �field� is the people in the world. In Matthew 13: 24-39 Jesus (S) tells us the Devil will also sow a seed parallel with the kingdom of God to rival it, both will be at the same time; and he said the �field� is the people in world and the �good seed� are the children of the kingdom, those who received the word of God and bare good fruit.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (Matthew 13:38)


Remember Jesus (s) said how the kingdom of God would come how the kingdom of God will come? It mentioned:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� (Luke 17:20)

The word of God cannot be see when it is revealed, can you see it?  He said:

�Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.� (Luke 17:21)

If the Kingdom of God is within you that would mean, when you hear the message you believe and accepted it with your whole heart. Coming of the Kingdom of God [the seed (message)] to Muhammad (S):

Allah (S) said:

�Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: with it came down the Spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-amin). to thy heart.� (Q. 26:192-194)


NOT EVERY WILL UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERIES OF THE PARABLE

And he said, unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. (Luke 8:10)

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE IN TREASURE IN THE FIELD.

44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, 45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

�Treasure� is Knowledge of the �everlasting Good News� and �field� is the �world�. The universal message would be like treasure hid in the world people would not recognize it but who recognize it they would spend the wealth to acquire and learned it.



Br. zainool

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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 12 July 2016 at 1:25pm
Hi Br Zainoo.
Welcome back.

�Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: with it came down the Spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-amin). to thy heart.� (Q. 26:192-194)

190. Verily in that is a Sign: but most of them do not believe.

191. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.

192. Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:

193. With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth-

194. To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish.

195. In the perspicuous Arabic tongue.

196. Without doubt it is [announced] in the mystic Books of former peoples.

197. Is it not a Sign to them that the Learned of the Children of Israel knew it

[as true]?

198. Had We revealed it to any of the non-Arabs,

The most mercifull Lord only revealed it to the Arabs

Did Muhammad stipulate this, that this was in comparison with the gospels since muslims do not believe in the gospel at all.
 
The first translation of the Quran was 961-976 AD to Persian langauge so was the seed only meant for Arabs only.
The other translation was in Latin Lex Mahumet psuedoprophete in 1110 and 1160
So why 1110 years the so called seed of Allah was irrelevant till the Quran was translated.
Before Muhammads's advent for 600 years plus years the word of God was irrelevant,Before  Muhammad and the Quran then the coruption of Gospel was also irellevant.
So everybody who wasn't a Arab muslim was lost.
Long before Muhammad's time there was Jews and Christians why didn't he Muhammad accepted thier believes no He wants his own religion.
Let me say to you again the that no one will go to God but except through His Son Jesus.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way, the and the live. No one come the Father except through me.
Jesus distinguish Himself as the only way to heaven and to God so any other so called way to heaven by any some kind of religious institutions or highly recomended prophets is irrelavant it means nothing,nothing AND a TRILLION TIMES NOTHING ITS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY AND EVERYTHING.
SO ANY OTHER ARGUMENTS WILL BE USELESS.  
 


Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 12 July 2016 at 5:42pm
Hi Br Zainoo.
 

As we can see the �seed is the word of God�; so that would mean the coming Kingdom of God is another message to come which would brought by a man who will sow it in the field and the �field� is the people in the world. In Matthew 13: 24-39 Jesus (S) tells us the Devil will also sow a seed parallel with the kingdom of God to rival it, both will be at the same time; and he said the �field� is the people in world and the �good seed� are the children of the kingdom, those who received the word of God and bare good fruit.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (Matthew 13:38)

Matthew 13:37-40

(37) He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. (38) The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. (39) The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. (40) Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

Jesus teaches this principle in Matthew 16:24-26:

Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"

The words of John the Baptist: "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" John 1:29

LETS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THE SON OF MAN IS JESUS RIGHT HE SOWS THE GOOD SEEDS
CAN YOU YOU TELL ME WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO SOWS THE BAD SEEDS.
 
LIKE JOHN THE BAPTIST SAID BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.
SO THE END PRODUCT IS WE DON'T NEED NO SUBSTITUTE FOR JESUS HIS THE SAVIOUR THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR HIM HE IS BEGINNING HE IS THE END AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT.
 
THE DEVIL SOWS THE SEEDS OF CONFUSION.



Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 3:03pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Hi Br Zainoo.
 

As we can see the �seed is the word of God�; so that would mean the coming Kingdom of God is another message to come which would brought by a man who will sow it in the field and the �field� is the people in the world. In Matthew 13: 24-39 Jesus (S) tells us the Devil will also sow a seed parallel with the kingdom of God to rival it, both will be at the same time; and he said the �field� is the people in world and the �good seed� are the children of the kingdom, those who received the word of God and bare good fruit.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (Matthew 13:38)

Matthew 13:37-40

(37) He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. (38) The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. (39) The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. (40) Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

Jesus teaches this principle in Matthew 16:24-26:

Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"

The words of John the Baptist: "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" John 1:29

LETS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THE SON OF MAN IS JESUS RIGHT HE SOWS THE GOOD SEEDS
CAN YOU YOU TELL ME WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO SOWS THE BAD SEEDS.
 
LIKE JOHN THE BAPTIST SAID BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.
SO THE END PRODUCT IS WE DON'T NEED NO SUBSTITUTE FOR JESUS HIS THE SAVIOUR THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR HIM HE IS BEGINNING HE IS THE END AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT.
 
THE DEVIL SOWS THE SEEDS OF CONFUSION.



Don't try that!

The son of man mentioned there is not Jesus (s) because he was talking about how the kingdom of God will come and that is by sowing of a seed, which is a message. I have established before that the kingdom of God and the man child that mentioned in Revelation 12 when he would have come then the Kingdom of God would come [And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10)], and he would come from another nation, Jesus (S) informed us (Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44) and he also knew of him, thus, he addresses him as the son of man. It�s in John 3:13 (KJV).  

 �And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is �IN� heaven.� (John 3:13 KJV)

  Jesus (S) was the Son of man �ON� earth and he spoke about �another� Son of man which is �IN� heaven. 

Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:




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The good seed are those who follow the kingdom of God / the universal message and the tares are those who follow message of the Devil.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. (Matthew 13:38-39)

As you can see, the Devil also sowed a seed here, he has a false message here also but when did that happen? That happens when Paul had the visit that he claimed that it was Jesus (S) whom he never met nor saw before.



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Hi Br Zainoo.
Welcome back.

�Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: with it came down the Spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-amin). to thy heart.� (Q. 26:192-194)

190. Verily in that is a Sign: but most of them do not believe.

191. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.

192. Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:

193. With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth-

194. To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish.

195. In the perspicuous Arabic tongue.

196. Without doubt it is [announced] in the mystic Books of former peoples.

197. Is it not a Sign to them that the Learned of the Children of Israel knew it

[as true]?

198. Had We revealed it to any of the non-Arabs,

The most mercifull Lord only revealed it to the Arabs

Did Muhammad stipulate this, that this was in comparison with the gospels since muslims do not believe in the gospel at all.
 
The first translation of the Quran was 961-976 AD to Persian langauge so was the seed only meant for Arabs only.
The other translation was in Latin Lex Mahumet psuedoprophete in 1110 and 1160
So why 1110 years the so called seed of Allah was irrelevant till the Quran was translated.
Before Muhammads's advent for 600 years plus years the word of God was irrelevant,Before  Muhammad and the Quran then the coruption of Gospel was also irellevant.
So everybody who wasn't a Arab muslim was lost.
Long before Muhammad's time there was Jews and Christians why didn't he Muhammad accepted thier believes no He wants his own religion.
Let me say to you again the that no one will go to God but except through His Son Jesus.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way, the and the live. No one come the Father except through me.
Jesus distinguish Himself as the only way to heaven and to God so any other so called way to heaven by any some kind of religious institutions or highly recomended prophets is irrelavant it means nothing,nothing AND a TRILLION TIMES NOTHING ITS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY AND EVERYTHING.
SO ANY OTHER ARGUMENTS WILL BE USELESS.  
 


Peace maker, you don't even understand your book..."all the truth" will reveal in the last days.

THE SEALING OF THE BOOK AND THE OPENING OF THE SEAL BOOK

In the book of Daniel the God of the Isreal seal the understanding of all the messages in the scriptures on till the end time then he will reveal all the truth. This is what the God Almighty says:

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. (Daniel 12:9)

But thou, O Daniel, s*****p the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Daniel 12:4)

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. (Daniel 12:10)

Coming of that �seal book� that mentioned in Revelation 10 is the �key� to unlock all the scriptures at the end time:

�But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall �begin to sound:� the �mystery of God should finish� as he declared to his servants the prophets.� (Rev. 10:7)

In the days when this little book shall reveal �all the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed).� The book was never written according to John: �seal up those things�and write them not.�

All the truth with the coming of the Qur�an:

�� And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to All�h as Muslims)�. (Qur�an 16:89)

Allah the almighty reminds the people who call themselves Christian of their forgetfulness:

�From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Quran 5:14)

This is what they have forgotten:

�And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: �O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of All�h unto you confirming the Taur�t [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.� But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: �This is plain magic.�� (Qur�an 61:6-9)

Then He Allah (S) said:

�O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhammad (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Quran 5:15)

�So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhammad (S) and the message he brought]. (Quran 3:50)

Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most right. (Quran 17:9)

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 3:17pm

REVELATION 10: COMFORTER SHALL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH

 This Chapter deals with when the other book that was yet to come and when it would have come, then all the truth will reveal. The book of revelation, in Chapter 10 and 14 deals with that. I have already explained both in chapter 2 and 3 but in this chapter I will elaborate a little more.

Remember Jesus (s) message was to inform his followers of the prophet who will come after him with all the truth; this is what he [Jesus (S)] said:

�I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but what he hears.� (John. 16:12-13)   

 �All the truth� will come with the arrival of the Comforter. Here in the Book of Revelation chapter 10 mentioned the coming of another Book which John did not wrote and . It is mentioned:

�And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven. 2-And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth. 3-And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice. 4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, and write them not.� (Rev. 10:1-4)

         Point (1) Another Mighty Angel: Jesus (S) is not another mighty angel; it is Gabriel (s) the messenger of Allah who brought the message to and from Allah.

         Point (2) He had in his hand a little book open: V.2 and he had in his hand a little book open:

         Point (3) Seventh thunders uttered their voice (something was revealing): V.3...and cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice.

         Point 4: John was about to write what was revealing: V.4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write:

         Point 5: He was told to seal up the message and write them not: V.4�and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunders utters, and write them not. (Rev.10:4)  

 The angel brought the little book and John was order �not to write down the message in that book,� because the time was not right. �So it is not the bible,� because the bible is a �written book� and it (the bible) is telling us about �another book.� Which book is that? 

Further as you read in Verse 7 it says:

�But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound: the mystery of God should finish as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev. 10:7)

In the days when this little book shall reveal all the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed). The book was never written according to the voice from Heaven: �seal up those things�and write them not.�

�Begin to sound� mean �revealing.� In the days when this little book shall reveal �all the mystery� (That is �all the truth�) of God will finish (revealed, no more mystery) as he declared to his servants the prophets.

And this is what Jesus (S) said:

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but what he hears.� (John 16:12-13)   

 Therefore, the Spirit of Truth, which is the Comforter, the Prophet with a Spirit of truth (1John 4:1), would have to bring this little book, which contains all the truth. In 10:4 it says: John was about to write� So when this Book will reveal �some one� will have to be there to �write the message down.� Allah has revealed to Muhammad (S):

��And We have sent down to thee (O Muhammad) the book (the Qur�an) explaining all things, a guide, a mercy, and Glad Tiding to Muslims.� (Quran 16:89)

�This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.� (Quran 10:37)

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Quran 5:3)

Do not mistake this Book for the one that mentioned in Rev. 5:1 �� A Book written within and on the back side, sealed with seven seals.� That Book is already written and every time a seal open a certain event takes place. Example:

         �when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. (Rev. 6:1-2)

That is the advent of Muhammad (S) it is also in Habakkuk 3:3-16.

��And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise�When he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.� (Habk. 3:3-16)

 

Who is the Holy One from Mt. Param? The descendant of Ishmael�s:

�And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran (Genesis 21:21)

The advent of the Zionist Crusaders (Brackets added):

         And when he had open the forth seal�a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the west), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. (Rev. 6:7-8)

On the other hand, the book that mentioned in Rev. 10:2-4, John was about to write and he heard a voice from heaven saying, �Seal up those thing�and write them not.� So when this Book will reveal someone will have to be there to write it down. In verse 10 the angel told John to eat the book:

10-And I (John) took the little book out of the angel�s hand, and eat it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. (Rev. 10:10)

We know that John did not eat the book, he read the book and the truth was sweet but practicing the law was bitter.

11-And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many people, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev. 10:11)

Why prophesy again? Because he had already went, so he has to go back again to inform them about the coming of the universal book that he did not wrote.

  Allah (S) mentioned:

We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all mankind�but most of mankind knew not�. (Quran 34: 28)                                        




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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 3:18pm

REVELATION 14: COMING OF THE UNIVERSAL BOOK

It is mentioned in the bible Rev.14: 6-7:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come. (Rev. 14:6-7)

Note: The word �gospel� is Good News�; in other words, an angel was bringing the �everlasting Good News� from heaven. The everlasting Good News was yet to come. Jesus (S) gospel (Good News) was to inform us of the coming of this everlasting Good News for all nations which he described as the coming of God�s Kingdom of earth, which is another message to come. He could not be the �another angel� with everlasting Good News. The everlasting Good News is also the little book that mentioned in Revelation 10:1-11 another angel with a little book which John did not wrote but is yet to come and the coming of it is clearly stated in Revelation 14:7

��another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting Good News�� (Rev. 14:7)

It says in verse 7:

�Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!�

Not the Day of Judgment, because the angel was bringing what? The �everlasting Good News to preach, it was a judgment to preach� and that was the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong. In other words, coming of the everlasting Good News then Judgment will come.

This is what mentioned in the Qur�an:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1)

�Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Quran 13: 37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Quran 2:185)

�This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.� (Quran. 10:37)

Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Quran 16:102)

A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Quran 41:3-4)

Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Quran 26:196)

And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Quran 6:92)

�it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q. 12:104)

�so fear Allah and obey me. (Quran 3:50)

ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Quran 3:102)

And glorify Him morning and evening. (Quran 33:42)

What Revelation 14-7 says? It says:

Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!�

Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong.

And Jesus (S) said: 

�And when he (the Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin, and righteous, and judgment.� (John 16:8) 

  Adding further, when Judgment comes the Comforter will used it to reprove the world (Gentiles) and the Comforter has to be a �person/God�s Servant� according to Isaiah 42:1-4

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.� 3-A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW.� (Isaiah 42:1-4)

For the LAW was given by Moses� (John 1:17)

Moses (S) was a lawgiver and here the Comforter is a new lawgiver!

After the coming of the universal Rev. 14:12 say:

��here are they that keep the commandment of God, and the faith of Jesus�� (Rev. 14:12)

That conforms that the �Everlasting Good News� is the commandment of God, the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong), and the true teaching of Jesus (S), which is his faith.

Also in verse 13 after that book the everlasting Good News which is the universal commandment of God would have come and all those who follow it and died after, they will be blessing for their labor and work and they will be judge by it.

�Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord henceforth yea, said the Spirit, that they may rest from their labor; and their work do fallow them. (Rev. 14:13)

�and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the book, according to their works. (Rev. 20:12)

�and they were judged every man according to their works. (Rev.20:13)

This is what Allah (S) said:

Think not of those who are slain in Allah�s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding there sustenance in their Lord�The (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.� (Quran 3:169-170)

�Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger� (Quran, 17:15),

�On the day when every soul will be confronted with all the good it has done, and all the evil it has done, it will wish there were a great distance between it and its evil. But Allah cautions you {to remember} Himself.� (Quran 3:30)

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 3:33pm
 

I hate to repost the same thing! Quran conforms:
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:



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Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Quran 26:196)

 ISAIAH 29

And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - (KJV)

12And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. ( http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 - - KJV)


   What is important to note here is the Devil recognize that Muhammad (s) fulfilled that prophecy so they (Devils) move in and retranslates it to change the meaning; the change �and� to �or if� to make it look as if it is a suggestion in the NIV translation, let�s check out it reads:

11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I can�t; it is sealed.� 12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will answer, �I don�t know how to read.�

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammads_first_revelation - Muhammad (s) used to go up mountain cave, called Ghar-Hera, in Arabia (Mt. Paran) to meditate. While he was there an angel, later identified as Gabriel, commanded him saying: �read� and he respond by saying: �I am not learned,� the angel repeat the act three times, then Muhammad (S) began to repeat the command of the angel which became the first five verse of surah 96, Al-Alaq, of the Qur�an. 

Read: In the name of thy Lord who created. Created man from a clot. Read: and thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who taught by the pen, Taught man which he knew not. (Q. 96:1-5)

 Allah conform it in the Quran:

Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q. 7:157).

   Torah: Isaiah29:12 and Gospel: John 16:13 ��for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear� [from angel Gabriel (S)].

And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q. 53:3-5)

Br. ainool



This is what mentioned in the Qur�an:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1)

�Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Quran 13: 37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Quran 2:185)

�This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.� (Quran. 10:37)

Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Quran 16:102)

A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Quran 41:3-4)

Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Quran 26:196)

And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Quran 6:92)

�it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q. 12:104)

�so fear Allah and obey me. (Quran 3:50)

ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Quran 3:102)

And glorify Him morning and evening. (Quran 33:42)

What Revelation 14-7 says? It says:

Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!�

Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong.

And Jesus (S) said: 

�And when he (the Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin, and righteous, and judgment.� (John 16:8) 

Please don't waste my time so that I don't have to repeat my post.

Thank you!

Br. zainool


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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!


Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 13 January 2017 at 3:29am
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:


Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Hi Br Zainoo.


<p style="WIDOWS: 1; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18.4px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As we can see the �seed is the word of God�; so that would mean the coming Kingdom of God is another message to come which would brought by a man who will sow it in the field and the �field� is the people in the world. In Matthew 13: 24-39 Jesus (S) tells us the Devil will also sow a seed parallel with the kingdom of God to rival it, both will be at the same time; and he said the �field� is the people in world and the �good seed� are the children of the kingdom, those who received the word of God and bare good fruit.</span>


<p style="WIDOWS: 1; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; WORD-SPACING: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18.4px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; COLOR: rgb(0,0,93); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">38<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span></span><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18.4px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>field<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>is the<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>world;</span><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18.4px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; COLOR: rgb(0,0,93); FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>the<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>good seed<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>are the<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>children of the kingdom; but the<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>tares<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>are the<span ="apple-converted-space"="">�</span>children of the wicked one; (Matthew 13:38)</span>




<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =msonormal=""><font face="Calibri">Matthew 13:37-40<!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p>


<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =msonormal=""><font face="Calibri">(37) He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. (38) The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. (39) The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. (40) Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.<o:p></o:p>


<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =msonormal=""><font face="Calibri">Jesus teaches this principle in Matthew 16:24-26:<o:p></o:p>


<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =msonormal=""><font face="Calibri">Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"<o:p></o:p>


<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =msonormal=""><font face="Calibri">The words of John the Baptist: "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" John 1:29

<font face="Calibri">
LETS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THE SON OF MAN IS JESUS RIGHT HE SOWS THE GOOD SEEDS

CAN YOU YOU TELL ME WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO SOWS THE BAD SEEDS.


LIKE JOHN THE BAPTIST SAID BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.

SO THE END PRODUCT IS WE DON'T NEED NO�SUBSTITUTE FOR JESUS HIS THE SAVIOUR THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR HIM HE IS BEGINNING HE IS THE END AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT.


<font face="Calibri">THE DEVIL SOWS THE SEEDS OF CONFUSION.
Don't try that!

<span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:
"Times New Roman"">The son of man mentioned there is not Jesus (s) because he
was talking about how the kingdom of God will come and that is by sowing of a
seed, which is a message. I have established before that the kingdom of God and
the man child that mentioned in Revelation 12 when he would have come then the
Kingdom of God would <span style="color:#00005D">come </span><span style="color:red">[<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">And she brought forth
a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">now comes Salvation and strength, and <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10)],
</span>and he would come from another nation, </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-:EN-US">Jesus (S) informed us <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal"><span style="color:#00005D">(Therefore say I unto you <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">The kingdom of God shall taken from you </span><span style="color:#00005D">(The Jews),<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"> and given
to a nation bringing forth <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">the fruits
thereof
. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but
whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44) </span>and
he also </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman"">knew
of him, thus, he addresses him as the son of man. It�s in <span style="mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">John 3:13 (KJV).<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">�</span></span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#00005D;mso-bidi-:EN-US"></span>



<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">�</span><span style="color:#00005D">�And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came
down from heaven, even the son of man which is �IN� heaven.� (John 3:13
KJV)</span></span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:#00005D;mso-ansi-:EN-TT" lang="EN-TT"></span>



<span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">� </span>Jesus (S) was the Son
of man
�ON� earth and he spoke about �another� Son of man which
is �IN� heaven.
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">� </span></span>

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<p style="text-align:center;mso-pagination:none;
mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none" align="center"> http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&t=KJV#s=t_conc_1000013 - <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:blue;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold - http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&t=KJV#s=t_conc_1000013</span> <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"></span>



<span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:
"Times New Roman"">The good seed are those who follow the kingdom of God / the
universal message and the tares are those who follow message of the Devil.</span>



<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:#00005D">38<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"> </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#00005D">The <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal">field is the <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">world; the <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">good seed are the <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal">children of the kingdom; but the <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal">tares are the <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">children of
the wicked one; </span>



<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#00005D">39</span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#00005D">The <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal">enemy that sowed them is the<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">
devil</span>
<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:#00005D">; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the
angels. (Matthew 13:38-39)</span>



<span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:
"Times New Roman"">As you can see, the Devil also sowed a seed here, he has a
false message here also but when did that happen? That happens when Paul had the
visit that he claimed that it was Jesus (S) whom he never met nor saw before.</span>

LOL


LETS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THE SON OF MAN IS JESUS RIGHT HE SOWS THE GOOD SEEDS

CAN YOU YOU TELL ME WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO SOWS THE BAD SEEDS.



LIKE JOHN THE BAPTIST SAID BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.

SO THE END PRODUCT IS WE DON'T NEED NO SUBSTITUTE FOR JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR HIM HE IS BEGINNING HE IS THE END AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT.



THE DEVIL SOWS THE SEEDS OF CONFUSION.


Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 13 January 2017 at 3:55am
Zainoo this a detailed explanation of who the comforter is.

Pentecost is reminiscent of the Last Supper; in both instances the disciples are together in a house for what proves to be an important event. At the Last Supper the disciples witness the end of the Messiah�s earthly ministry as He asks them to remember Him after His death until He returns. At Pentecost, the disciples witness the birth of the New Testament church in the coming of the Holy Spirit to indwell all believers. Thus the scene of the disciples in a room at Pentecost links the commencement of the Holy Spirit�s work in the church with the conclusion of Christ�s earthly ministry in the upper room before the crucifixion.

The description of fire and wind mentioned in the Pentecost account resounds throughout the Old and the New Testament. The sound of the wind at Pentecost was �rushing� and �mighty.� Scriptural references to the power of wind (always understood to be under God�s control) abound. Exodus 10:13; Psalm 18:42 and Isaiah 11:15 in the Old Testament and Matthew 14:23�32 in the New Testament are only a few examples. More significant than wind as power is wind as life in the Old Testament (Job 12:10) and as spirit in the New (John 3:8). Just as the first Adam received the breath of physical life (Genesis 2:7), so the second Adam, Jesus, brings the breath of spiritual life. The idea of spiritual life as generated by the Holy Spirit is certainly implicit in the sound of the wind at Pentecost.

Fire is often associated in the Old Testament with the presence of God (Exodus 3:2; 13:21�22; 24:17; Isaiah 10:17) and with His holiness (Psalm 97:3; Malachi 3:2). Likewise, in the New Testament, fire is associated with the presence of God (Hebrews 12:29) and the purification He can bring about in human life (Revelation 3:18). God�s presence and holiness are implied in the Pentecostal tongues of fire. Indeed, fire is identified with Christ Himself (Revelation 1:14; 19:12); this association naturally underlies the Pentecost gift of the Holy Spirit, who would teach the disciples the things of Christ (John 16:14).

Another aspect of the Day of Pentecost is the miraculous speaking in foreign tongues which enabled people from various language groups to understand the message of the apostles. In addition is the bold and incisive preaching of Peter to a Jewish audience. The effect of the sermon was powerful, as listeners were �cut to the heart� (Acts 2:37) and instructed by Peter to �repent, and be baptized� (Acts 2:38). The narrative concludes with three thousand souls being added to the fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayers, apostolic signs and wonders, and a community in which everyone�s needs were met.
Clearly, the point of the symbol is the same as that presented in the Baptist�s promise of a baptism �with the Holy Ghost and fire.� The Spirit was to be in them as a Spirit of burning, thawing natural coldness and melting hearts with a genial warmth, which should beget flaming enthusiasm, fervent love, burning zeal, and should work transformation into its own fiery substance. The rejoicing power, the quick energy, the consuming force, the assimilating action of fire, are all included in the symbol, and should all be possessed by Christ�s disciples.

But were the tongue-like shapes of the flames significant too? It is doubtful, for, natural as is the supposition that they were, it is to be remembered that �tongues of fire� is a usual expression, and may mean nothing more than the flickering shoots of flame into which a fire necessarily parts.
The �sound� of the rushing wind had been heard hurtling through the city in the early morning hours, and had served as guide to the spot. A curious crowd came hurrying to ascertain what this noise of tempest in a calm meant, and they were met by something more extraordinary still. Try to imagine the spectacle. As would appear from Acts 2:33, the tongues of fire remained lambently glowing on each head {�which ye see�}, and the whole hundred and twenty, thus strangely crowned, were pouring out rapturous praises, each in some strange tongue. When the astonished ears had become accustomed to the apparent tumult, every man in the crowd heard some one or more speaking in his own tongue, language, or dialect, and all were declaring the mighty works of God; that is, probably, the story of the crucified, ascended Jesus.


Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 13 January 2017 at 4:14am
ZAINOO

The Coming of the Comforter

John 14:15-24"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.
I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will behold Me; because I live, you will live also. In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?"
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me. These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you."
The promises Jesus makes in that brief passage are staggering. To whom are they made? In context, Jesus is speaking to His eleven disciples, but the scope of His promises is broader than that. Verse 15 says, "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." Implied in that statement is the corollary that the promises that follow apply to all those who love Jesus Christ. Thus they apply to all believers in Christ, those whose love is marked out by their obedience.

We cannot miss Jesus' clear statement here that the proof of genuine love for Him is obedience to His commandments. The New Testament repeats this truth a number of times. Verse 21 says, "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him." Verses 23-24 repeat the same truth: "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word.... He who does not love Me does not keep My words."


Posted By: Sept23Sign
Date Posted: 09 July 2017 at 6:27pm
We are all brothers and sisters in humanity and we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of God because we are all children of God.

John 3

1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, �Rabbi, we know You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.�
3 Jesus replied, �Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.�a
4 �How can a man be born when he is old?� Nicodemus asked. �Can he enter his mother�s womb a second time to be born?�
5 Jesus answered �Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said, �You must be born again.� 8 The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.�
9 �How can this be?� Nicodemus asked.
10 �You are Israel�s teacher,� Jesus replied, �and do you not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, and yet you people do not accept our testimony.
12 If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven�the Son of Man.b 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God�s one and only Son.

19 And this is the condemnation: The Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness more than light, because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be clearly seen that what he has done has been accomplished in God.�

Friends:And God loves us, His wish is that none of us should perish into the lake of fire.
For that reason He became flesh, He dwelt among us, He fulfilled every prophecy foretold of Him and yet those who had the major responsibility of recognising Him for who He was denied Him because they were pumped up with pride - just as Lucifer himself was so full of pride and self importance before he fell from heaven.

Satanic pride kills the idea of God. The pride of the Pharisees literally killed God because they were expecting their Messiah to arrive like a conquering hero. They could not and would not accept that this wonderful Jesus Christ would humble Himself to align Himself with the sinners and forgive them.
These 'proud' Pharisees and Sadducees saw to it that He was convicted of blasphemy, while it was they themselves who blasphemed. They saw to it that He suffered torture, suffered being beaten to within an inch of His life. Then He was humiliated in their eyes by having a crown of thorns rammed painfully on His head while they tormented Him. As if that wasn't enough, He then had to carry 'half of a tree' up a steep hill for use in His own crucifixion. Yet He didn't once complain.
During that crucifixion He still managed to fulfill prophecy. During that crucifixion there was an earthquake and His precious, Holy blood ran through the cracks and landed on the 'mercy seat' in the temple below - causing permanent atonement and forgiveness for the sins of any who would believe in Him and His blood. During that crucifixion there was a three hour long 'impossible' eclipse of the sun. Just before the moment of His death Jesus still had the Grace to say "Father, forgive them. they know not what they have done". And at the end of that crucifixion even one of the Roman centurions spoke and said that it was surely a Holy man who had 'died' there.
But His resurrection and ascension to heaven defeated both Satan and death for those who would believe.

Even the pride of an atheist is responsible for killing God, in their life.

My brothers and sisters in humanity. I ask you not to allow your own pride to kill that same God within you.

There are those of you, many of you, who worship Satan/Saturn even though you may not know it. A black cube is a symbol of Saturn and there is a black cube at Mecca which pilgrims are told to walk around in concentric circles just as the very rings of the planet Saturn do.

Even Mohammed wasn't sure whether his vision was from a demon or an angel. It took his wife to convince him that it was an angel. And she got it wrong.

Please don't allow that pride to consume you and cause you to not see the truth.

On September 23 2017 this Revelation 12 becomes a reality. It will no longer be something to discuss or debate.

https://youtu.be/Ivx4M0FB2S4 - Click here

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was His way of granting salvation and redemption from sin by Grace - as a free gift.
This means that good works are unnecessary (though still desirable).
You cannot earn your way into heaven. Nobody is righteous enough to do that. It is free and the only price is belief and faith in the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ.

My brothers and sisters in humanity. I want you to think long and hard; God wants you to think long and hard about this.

And I pray sincerely that you'll make the correct decision.

Shalom



Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 15 July 2017 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by Sept23Sign Sept23Sign wrote:

We are all brothers and sisters in humanity and we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of God because we are all children of God.

John 3

1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, �Rabbi, we know You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.�
3 Jesus replied, �Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.�a
4 �How can a man be born when he is old?� Nicodemus asked. �Can he enter his mother�s womb a second time to be born?�
5 Jesus answered �Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said, �You must be born again.� 8 The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.�
9 �How can this be?� Nicodemus asked.
10 �You are Israel�s teacher,� Jesus replied, �and do you not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, and yet you people do not accept our testimony.
12 If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven�the Son of Man.b 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God�s one and only Son.

19 And this is the condemnation: The Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness more than light, because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be clearly seen that what he has done has been accomplished in God.�

Friends:And God loves us, His wish is that none of us should perish into the lake of fire.
For that reason He became flesh, He dwelt among us, He fulfilled every prophecy foretold of Him and yet those who had the major responsibility of recognising Him for who He was denied Him because they were pumped up with pride - just as Lucifer himself was so full of pride and self importance before he fell from heaven.

Satanic pride kills the idea of God. The pride of the Pharisees literally killed God because they were expecting their Messiah to arrive like a conquering hero. They could not and would not accept that this wonderful Jesus Christ would humble Himself to align Himself with the sinners and forgive them.
These 'proud' Pharisees and Sadducees saw to it that He was convicted of blasphemy, while it was they themselves who blasphemed. They saw to it that He suffered torture, suffered being beaten to within an inch of His life. Then He was humiliated in their eyes by having a crown of thorns rammed painfully on His head while they tormented Him. As if that wasn't enough, He then had to carry 'half of a tree' up a steep hill for use in His own crucifixion. Yet He didn't once complain.
During that crucifixion He still managed to fulfill prophecy. During that crucifixion there was an earthquake and His precious, Holy blood ran through the cracks and landed on the 'mercy seat' in the temple below - causing permanent atonement and forgiveness for the sins of any who would believe in Him and His blood. During that crucifixion there was a three hour long 'impossible' eclipse of the sun. Just before the moment of His death Jesus still had the Grace to say "Father, forgive them. they know not what they have done". And at the end of that crucifixion even one of the Roman centurions spoke and said that it was surely a Holy man who had 'died' there.
But His resurrection and ascension to heaven defeated both Satan and death for those who would believe.

Even the pride of an atheist is responsible for killing God, in their life.

My brothers and sisters in humanity. I ask you not to allow your own pride to kill that same God within you.

There are those of you, many of you, who worship Satan/Saturn even though you may not know it. A black cube is a symbol of Saturn and there is a black cube at Mecca which pilgrims are told to walk around in concentric circles just as the very rings of the planet Saturn do.

Even Mohammed wasn't sure whether his vision was from a demon or an angel. It took his wife to convince him that it was an angel. And she got it wrong.

Please don't allow that pride to consume you and cause you to not see the truth.

On September 23 2017 this Revelation 12 becomes a reality. It will no longer be something to discuss or debate.

https://youtu.be/Ivx4M0FB2S4 - Click here

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was His way of granting salvation and redemption from sin by Grace - as a free gift.
This means that good works are unnecessary (though still desirable).
You cannot earn your way into heaven. Nobody is righteous enough to do that. It is free and the only price is belief and faith in the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ.

My brothers and sisters in humanity. I want you to think long and hard; God wants you to think long and hard about this.

And I pray sincerely that you'll make the correct decision.

Shalom


Thanks for your quote.

No greater love was there ever found in heaven and on earth was the day that God send us His Son to save mankind from sin.



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