WHO IS THE COMFORTER?
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Topic: WHO IS THE COMFORTER?
Posted By: truthnowcome
Subject: WHO IS THE COMFORTER?
Date Posted: 11 November 2014 at 12:38am
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WHO IS THE COMFORTER?
There are many miss conceptions
on what of who is the Comforter. So I have given an explicit explanation here,
no more lies!
The question is who is this Comforter Jesus
(S) spoke of mentioned in the bible? Is the Comforter a �Spirit� or a
�persons�? We the Muslims believe that the Comforter is Muhammad (S). On the
other hand Christians does not. They misunderstood the Comforter for the Holy
Ghost/Spirit whereas Jesus (S) spoke of two
personalities: The Comforter and the Holy Ghost/Spirit. In
this chapter with a closer examination I have established both of them, that
is, one in Heaven with the Father and
one was with the disciples on earth.
Let us look at John 14:26 it is mentioned:
�Butt the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost...� (John14: 26)
Here we understood that the comforter is the
Holy Spirit. However, in 1John 2:1
Jesus was also called comforter, it read:
�...we have an �advocate� with the father, Jesus
Christ the righteous.� (1John.2: 1)
The Greek word used there for both is
�paracletos� which translated as �comforter, advocate, etc.� so we have now,
Jesus (s) as a comforter and the holy spirit as the comforter, both were call
comforter so we arrive with two now called comforter, man and spirit. http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A26§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A26&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - -
After
said that, now, let�s look at john14: 16-17. Jesus (s) said:
��I will pray to the father, and he shall give you "another" comforter that he
may abide with you for ever. even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot
receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for �he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.� (John14: 16-17)
In the above verse Jesus (S) make mentioned of
both the �another Comforter� who is with
the father in heaven and the
�Spirit of truth� which dwells with the disciples on earth.
In
that verse, the key word is "another". If something is already with you how
can we call it �another� when it is already with you, can we? No! As the verse
continues, it read:
�even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in
you.�
You see that? It says: �for he dwelleth with you� meaning it is already with them. so another
comforter here is not the spirit of truth that is already with them,
it is referring to someone that is not there. Jesus (s) himself is a
comforter according 1John 2:1
...we have an �advocate� with the father, Jesus Christ the
righteous. (1John.2:1)
He then is telling them (the disciples) about
another one. What does �another� mean? It cannot be the
same thing; it has to be another like the same thing. Jesus (s) is the �first� comforter; then the �other�: the one to follow must be of �like nature� or we can say, the �another comforter� like Jesus (s)
who is a comforter.
So it�s two personalities:
(1) � the one
which is yet to come from the father and
(2) � the one that dwells with the disciples. That is the
point Christians� commentators were missing.
Another important fact is where this �another
comforter� will come. I shall examine John 14:16-17 and other verses in more
details.
Jesus
(s) said:
��I will pray to the father,
and he shall give you �another comforter��� (John http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A16§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A16&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - - 14:16-17 )
They Christian�s commentators miss that very
important fact. This �comforter� has to come from the �father!� And who is Jesus (S) Father? Jesus (S)
said:
��I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;
and my God, and your God.� (John 20:16-17 AKJV)
According to him, his Father is OUR GOD
and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, he said: �MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.� In other
words, the other comforter has to come from God Almighty. Jesus (s) conform it in John 16:7: he said:
�Nevertheless, I tell you the truth:
it is expedient for you that �I go� for if �I go not away�, the
comforter will not come unto you, but if �I depart�, I will send him unto you.� (John 16:7)
That would mean the comforter was with the father in heaven and when
he goes to the father in heaven then he will send him. We cannot say Jesus
(s) will send himself, which is foolish because Jesus (s) is not there with the
father in heaven when he was talking to the disciples. The �another comforter�
is in heaven with the father, Jesus (s) mentioned it in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 :
�and no man hath ascended up to
heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is �in� heaven.� http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=Hohn%203:= - - John 3: 13 (kjv)
Jesus
(S) was the Son of man �ON� earth
and he spoke about �another� Son of man which is �IN� heaven.
Now, let us look at John 14:16-17 again, he
said:
��I will pray to
the father, and he shall give you �another� comforter� even the
spirit of truth� but ye know him; for �he dwelleth with you� and shall be in
you.
Jesus
(S) was talking about �another comforter� who is with the Father in Heaven and
when he goes to Heaven then that comforter will comes and also the �Holy
Spirit� which was with the disciple on earth (�for he dwelleth with you�).
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Date Posted: 11 November 2014 at 12:39am
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THE CONDITION BEFORE THE COMFORTER COMES
Moreover, if we read John 16 verse 7 you
will see Jesus (S) laid a �condition�
before the other Comforter comes, and the �condition�
is, when he goes to the Father in
Heaven he will send him according to the N.T. because the other Comforter was in Heaven at that time with the Father. He said in John 16:7:
�Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is expedient for
you that I go for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto
you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you!� (John 16:7)
But according to the N.T. the disciple
received the Holy Ghost �before�
Jesus (S) left. It is mentioned in John 20:21-22 when Jesus (S) said:
�...as my father hath sent me, even
so I send you (the disciple) and when he
had said this, he breathed on them,
and said unto them, received ye the holy ghost.� (John. 20:21-22)
That is the one which Jesus (s) was
talking about when he said: �even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.�
Now, if the Spirit of truth is not in
them but dwelleth with them (the disciple), then where is the spirit
of truth? John chapter 1 verse 32 read:
�I saw the
Spirit descending from heaven... and abode upon him.�(John 1:32)
Jesus (S) was a comforter (1John.2: 1) with the spirit of truth
strengthening him. So he dwelleth with them (the disciples) and shall be in
them, which they received when Jesus (S) breathed on them in John. 20:21-22.
The Qur�an also mentioned of Allah (s) strengthens the believers
(Muslims) with a �spirit (Rooh)� from himself:
The believers (Muslims) also are strengthened with the spirit
from Allah (s):
thou wilt not find
any people who believe in Allah and the last day, loving those who oppose Allah
and his messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their
brothers, or their kindred. For such he has written faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from himself (roohin-minhu)...� (Qur�an 58:22)
La
tajidu qawman yuminoona biAllahi
waalyawmi alakhiri yuwaddoona
man hadda Allaha warasoolahu walaw kanoo abaahum
aw abnaahum aw ikhwanahum aw AAasheeratahum olaika kataba
fee quloobihimu aleemana waayyadahum biroohin minhu�
Qur�an 58:22
The
Qur�an also described Jesus (S) as a spirit proceeds from Him and he was supported
by the Holy Spirit (Rooh ul Qudus):
��Christ Jesus the son of Mary
was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His word (BE), which he bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Roohun minhu)� (Q.4: 171); O! Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour
to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)].� [al-Maa'idah 5:110]
In the above explanation I have given
are:
(1) We have the Comforter,
which is the Holy Spirit that was �abode upon Jesus (s)�
(2) And we have the
other Comforter like Jesus (s) that was �with the father in heaven.� Jesus (s)
mentioned of the one in heaven with the father in john 3:13:
�and no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came
down from heaven, even the son of man which is �IN� heaven.� http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=Hohn%203:= - - John 3: 13 (kjv)
Jesus (S) specifically told them that the
Curriculum did not finish and so he has to go back to the Father who is his God,
and His God will send the �other Comforter� to complete it and this Comforter
will not speak of his own self / desire but what ever was reveal to him (for he shall not
speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear - John 16:13).
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear
them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will
guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but
whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things
to come. (John 16:12-13)
Allah conform it
in the Quran:
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less
than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q. 53:3-5)
Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat (Torah) and
the Injeel (Gospel). (Q. 7:157).
And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book
before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right
hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q. 29:48)
��And We have sent
down to thee (O Muhammad) the book (the Qur�an) explaining all things, a guide, a mercy, and Glad Tiding to
Muslims.� (Q. 16:89)
�This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than
Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation
of (revelations) that went before
it, and a fuller explanation of
the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.� (Qur. 10:37)
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed
My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Q. 5:3)
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Date Posted: 11 November 2014 at 12:40am
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HOW WILL THIS COMFORTER ABIDE WITH US FOREVER? JESUS (S) TELLS
US
This
explanation is from the late Ahmad Deedat [May Allah (S) rewards him], he
explained:
�In
Luke, Chapter sixteen, Jesus (S) tells us the story of the �rich man, Poor
man.� At death both find themselves at opposite ends � one in Heaven and one in
Hell. The rich man simmering in Hell cries to Father Abraham to send the beggar
(Lazarus) to slake his thirst. But when every plea fails, he, ask a last favor,
requesting that Father Abraham send the beggar to earth to warn his living
brother against their impending doom if they heeded not the warning of God.
But Abraham said, �If they (those still alive on earth)
hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one
rose from the dead. (To warn them)�
Luke 16:31
Jesus
uttered the above parable centuries after the demise of the prophets of Israel
Jeremiah, Hosea, etc. and over thirteen hundred years after Moses (S). The
Pharisees at that time of Jesus (S) and we today can still listen to �Moses and
the Prophets.� For they are alive still alive, and with us here today in
their teaching and so was Muhammad (S) the �Another Comforter� (Nothing
new, Jesus said it!)�
THE DISCIPLES KNEW OF HIM
It was conformed in 1John.4:
1
�Beloved, believes not every spirit, but tries the spirits whether they are of god
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.� (1John 4:1)
Now, let us look at this statement, �believe not every spirit�. How do we
�believe�? We cannot believe if we do not listen and heard the spirit, correct?
We have to listen and hear the spirit to believe. Now, the verse continues: �but try the spirits whether
they are of God� How
do we try the Spirit? By questioning him, and that is not my opinion, V.2
conforms it: �2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:�
The Spirit has to �confess� and if he �confesses� that would mean we have to listen
to him. Now, let us go back to V.1
it says: �because many false prophets are gone out into
the world.�
Why �gone out into the world�? Because, �into the
world� you have to go and look! And what you have to look for? It says: �Because many false prophets are gone out.� The opposite of false prophet is what? True
Prophet!!!
Conclusion: John is saying, go out into
the world and look for a true prophet with the true spirit. And how do
we know him? V.2 Every spirit that confesseth
that Jesus Christ is come in
the flesh is of God. The
prophet with the true spirit will have to confess that Jesus (s) come in flesh.
CONFSSIONED OF THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH
To have a better understanding we have
to begin with the book of John.
It is mentioned in John.1: 1 �In the beginning was the word and the word was with
God and the word was god.� (John 1:1)
If the
word �was� God and the word was �with� God
in the literal sense, it would mean that there are two Gods! In the Biblical language, the term
�god� is used metaphorically to indicate power. Paul referred to the DEVIL as
god.
In whom the �god� of this world hath blinded the mind of
them which believe not... (2Corinthiants 4:4)
Moses
(S) also referred to as god:
�and the lord said unto Moses, see I have made thee a
�god� to pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.� (Exodus 7:1)
Which word was �WITH� God in the beginning?
For us to know we have to go to the beginning.
It mentioned in the beginning:
�and God said, let there be light: and there was light�. (genesis.1:3)
So which word was with God? BE!
And that is the word he used to create all things according Genesis 1
Quran puts it in short:
�When he (Allah) hath decreed a matter, He but said to it, be and it is!� (Q. 3:47)
The same word also He used to create the life:
(Brackets
added in verse)
�...and the life was the light of men,
and the light shineth in darkness (man) and the darkness (man) comprehended it
not�. (John.1:4-5) that was the true light,
which lightest every man that come into this world. (John.1:9).
The �TRUE LIGHT� was the �LIFE� that was
created with the word �BE�. We have to read the messages in context to have the
correct meaning. Jesus (S) got the title as the �WORD� because he was created
from the word which was �BE�. Qur�an tells us:
�The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He
created him from dust, then said to him, BE And he was.� (Q.3:59)
and the word (be) was made flesh, and dwell among
us. (john.1:14)
How the word �BE� was made flesh? The Qur�an gives
the answer:
Behold! The angel said: o Mary! Allah giveth thee glad
tidings of a word from him: his name will be (Isa) Christ
Jesus, the son of Mary...she said: "o my lord! how shall i have a son when
no man hath touched me?" Allah createth what he willeth: when he hath
decreed a matter, he but saith to it be, and it is! (Q.3:45-47)
And
the word �BE� was made
flesh and dwell among us.
And
John tells us:
Here by know ye the spirit of god: every spirit that
comfesseth that Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of god. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John%204:2&version=9 - - 1John 4:2 )
Who confesses that? Muhammad (S), He (S) was
that True Prophet with the Spirit of Truth!
Allah (S) mentioned in the Qur�an:
�Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world:
with it came down the spirit of faith and truth (rooh-ul-amin).
to thy heart.� ( http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/026.qmt.html#026.193 - - q.26:192-194 )
Just as Jesus (S)
prophecy:
He shall testify of me! Jesus (s) said:
�when the comforter is come, whom i will send unto you
from the father, even the spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the father, he will testify of me.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015:26&version=9 - - John 15:26 )
The Noble Reminder to the people of the book.
Allah (S) mentioned in the Qur'an:
�O people of book! commit no excess in your religion: nor
say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more
than) a messenger of Allah and his word (be), which he bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His
messenger. Say not "trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for
Allah is one God: glory be to Him. (Q. 4:171)
Jesus was a MESSENGER of Allah, a WORD
from Allah and a SPIRIT
proceeding from Allah. �...He shall testify of me.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015:26&version=9 - - John 15:26 )
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He
created him from dust, then said to him, BE And he was. (Q. 3:59)
The truth [comes] from thy Lord alone; so be not of those
who doubt. (Q. 3:60)
Allah (S) said:
"If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now
after [full] knowledge hath come to thee, Say: 'Come! Let us gather together,
our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves:
Then let us earnestly pray. And invoke the curse of Allah on those who
lie!'" (Q. 3:61)
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THE COMFORTER WILL GLORIFY JESUS (S)
Jesus said:
14 �He shall glorify me: for he shall receive
of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he
shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you�. (John 16:14-15)
Christians
claimed that �glorify� there mean the comforter has to worship Jesus (S) but
that is not what �glorify� mean there. The following verse explains what it
mean and that is by taking what he brought and make it known to you, meaning,
the revelation he brought the Comforter will conform it; and what is that
message? That message is one and the same that all prophets brought which is �Submission to the will of the one true God
(Islam)�. In fact Jesus (S) used the same word to establish that he and his
disciples are one in believes, its in John 17: 22-24, which reads as follows:
Jesus (S) said:
22 And the glory
which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made
perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast
loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I
will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they
may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the
foundation of the world. (John 17:22-24)
As
I have said before, the Message Jesus brought was �Submission to the will of the one true God (Islam)�. For example, He said:
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear,
I judge: and my judgment is just; because I
seek not mine own will, but the will
of the Father which hath sent
me. (John5: 30).
Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21-22)
According
to those two verse Jesus (s) call God his Father. So I will clarifies who is
his father from what is written in John 20:16-17, he Jesus (S) said:
��Touch me not, for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and my God,
and your God.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020:16-17%20&version=9 - - John 20:16-17 AKJV)
According
to him, his Father is �OUR GOD and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, He
said: �MY GOD AND YOUR GOD�. So the verses should read as follows:
I can of mine
own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of my God which hath sent me. (John5:
30).
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into
the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my God which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21-22)
In others words, he submit
to the will of his God and he preached �submission to the will of his God which
when translate to Arabic would mean �Islam�. He even prophesies the coming of
�Islam�. He said:
�After this manner therefore pray ye: Our
Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy
name.10Thy kingdom come, Thy
will be done in earth,
as it is in heaven.�( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:9-13&version=9 - )
Coming of God
Almighty kingdom on earth �His� will� shall be done on earth. What is
the will? God�s will is his divine law. The coming Kingdom is a message from
God for all nations. He said: �Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done
in earth, as it is in heaven.� As we can see that the ticket to Heaven
has a �condition� and that is, we have to �do the will of the Father� In other
words, we have to be obedience to God Law, what he was preaching is
�Submission to the will of God� (Thy will be done on earth) which when
translate in Arabic is �Islam� will be done on earth. All Prophets preached
�submission to the will of God� (Islam). Allah (s) informs us in the Noble
Qur�an.
The Religion
before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)�But if you deny the Signs of
Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. (Q. 3:19)
To every people did We appoint
rites (of sacrifice), that they might celebrate the name of Allah over the
sustenance He gave them from animals (fit for food). But your god is One
God: submit then your wills to
Him (in Islam): and give thou the good news to those who humble
themselves, (Qur. 22:34)
Those Prophets was sent to their own
nation respectively according to their own language.
�For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the
Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some
whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So
travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the
Truth).� (Qur.16: 36); and �We
sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in
order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom
He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of
Wisdom�.� (Qur. 14:4)
For example Jesus (S) was sent to the Children of
Israel:
�But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the
house of Israel.� (Matthew 15: 24); These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not
into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye
not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.�
(Matthew 10:5-6)
Muhammad (S) on the other hand was sent as a
universal Messenger to all mankind, Allah (S) mentioned in Qur�an:
�We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all
mankind�but most of mankind knew not�. (Q. 34:28)
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JESUS (S) BELIEVE IN THE
ONLY ONE TRUE GOD ALLAH (S)
Jesus
(s) thought The First commandment
�And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God
is one Lord: V.30 And thou shalt
love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and
with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.� (Mark
12:29-30)
From
the book of Exodus 20:4-5
4Thou
shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for
I the LORD thy God am a jealous
God (Exodus 20:4-5)
Jesus
thought the way to Eternal Life in his final message, he looks up to the
Heaven and gives thanks to God Almighty for affording him to give eternal life
to all who God Almighty has chosen, and that is to believe in the one true God
and Jesus the Messiah whom He has sent.
�1These words spake Jesus, and
lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy
Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2As thou hast given him
power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou
hast given him.�(John 17:1-2)
This
is what he said:
�3And this is life
eternal, that they (the
disciples or who call themselves Christian) might know thee the
only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou (the only true God) hast sent.� (John 17:3-4); And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind
me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only
shalt thou serve. (Luke 4:8)
That
is the declaration of faith at the time of Jesus (S), in other words, is to
believe in no other deity except the one true God Allah (S) and Jesus (S) is
the messenger of Allah (S) and you will received ETERNAL LIFE. Same declaration
Muslims make except that at the end they say, Muhammad (S) is the messenger of
Allah (S). That is to say: �I testify that there is no other deity except Allah
(S) and I testify that Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S).�
Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining
other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sin than this: one
who join other gods with Allah, hath strayed far, far away (from the right) (Q .4:116)
What Jesus said? He said:
14 �He shall glorify me: for he shall receive
of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you�. (John 16:14-15)
We
all came from the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, then became a nation, then
many nations and tribe. Revelation was sent to mankind since the beginning for
guidance and Allah (S) mentioned, those people did not differ among themselves
except through selfish contumacy and Allah (S) honored the most righteous among
the mankind.
�O mankind! We
created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into
nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each
other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is)
the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted
(with all things). (Qur. 49:13)
Mankind was one single nation, and
Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the
Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but
the people of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ
among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace
Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For
Allah guided whom He will to a path that is straight.� (Qur. 2:213)
The
noble call to people of the book:
Say: "O people of the Book! Come to common terms as between us and
you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him;
that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than
Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at
least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will). (Qur. 3:64)
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 11 November 2014 at 12:44am
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Christian�s Scholars says
the Disciples received The Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost.
But it says in John. 20:21-22
�...As my father hath sent me, even so I �send� you (the disciple) and when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, �received
ye the Holy Ghost.� (John.20: 21-22).
Did Jesus (S) �send� the disciples out �empty hand?� No! The disciples
received some thing when Jesus (S) breadth on them. What they receive? It clearly stated, �received ye the Holy Ghost."
But why they did? John 20:23 gives the answer:
�Whosesoever sins ye (The
disciples) remit, they are remitted
unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.� (John 20:23)
So there is no future event on Pentecost, the disciples already
�received the Holy Ghost to remit sins�. The event of Pentecost was a fulfillment
of a prophecy of Joel (S).
Act
2:14-16
14But Peter, standing up
with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, ye men of Judaea, and
all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15for these are not drunken, as ye suppose,
seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16But this is that which was spoken by the
prophet Joel;
Not Jesus (S)!
I know they were looking for the �another Comforter: A True Prophet with a True
Spirit� in 1John 4:1.
He was in heaven:
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he
that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 ).
Jesus (S) was the Son of man and was �on the earth�; he then
spoke of another Son of man which is �IN HEAVEN�
And John said:
�Beloved, believe not
every SPIRIT, but try the SPIRITS whether they are of God because many false
PROPHETS are gone out into the world.�
(1John. 4:1)
John is saying you must look for a TRUE
PROPHET with the SPIRIT of TRUTH strengthening him.
Concerning the remitting of sin:
Whosesoever sins ye (THE DISCIPLES)
�REMIT,� they are �REMITED� unto them�
Nobody has the power to forgive
sin except God Almighty. The point is, according to Christians understanding of
the bible Jesus (S) forgive sin so that makes him God; well the disciples also
forgive sins, what are they? Human cannot forgive sins because they do not know
when someone sin in their heart. What the scriptures simple means is, if some
accepted the truth their sin would automatically forgive and if the refuse it
will remain. Same in Islam, if you accept the truth, believe in the one true
God and believe in his final Messenger Muhammad (S), your sin will be forgiven.
Is not that the person who give you the message will forgive your sin, it is
Allah (S) who forgive sin.
Christians says, the Comforter was promised
to the disciples at that time and not some 600 years later.
Let�s examine the book of Matt: The disciples
questioned, what will be the �SIGN OF
YOUR COMING�? Jesus answered: �The
sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the star shall
fall from heaven�Verily I say unto you �THIS
GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS TILL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED. Heaven and
earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS
SHALL NOT PASS AWAY.� (Matt.24:29-34)
Did Jesus (S) come to that generation
�living in his time�? Did any such event take place during the �LIFE TIME� OF THE GENERATION THEN LIVING?
NO! But according to your bible Jesus (S) said: �My word shall not pass away.
My point is, as much as Jesus (S)
promised THE SAID GENERATION OF THOSE SIGN AND HIS COMING he didn�t came to them. He promises
the comforter will come to them, but he
didn�t come, until 600 yrs. later. No big-deal!
1John 4:1 �Beloved, believe not every SPIRIT, but try the SPIRITS whether they
are of God because many false PROPHETS are gone out into the world.�
John is saying you must look for a PROPHET with the SPIRIT of TRUTH moving in
him.
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Posted By: kingskid
Date Posted: 11 November 2014 at 2:13pm
Dear Br. Zainool,
I see you have a zeal for knowledge, but it appears you bite off more than you can reasonably chew and digest. Let's take things one at a time, okay? First of all, the Holy Spirit made His debut, or entrance to the world, during what is termed Pentecost. However, He didn't become manifest to just the disciples or for just that one time. Joel 2:28 reads:
�And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions." (emphasis added)
Acts 2:17 reads:
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams." (emphasis added)
Jesus said in John 14:26:
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."
And in Mat. 28:18-20, Jesus said:
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, �All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.� Amen. You are free to either accept Jesus' words, or to reject them. But rejecting His words is to reject Him and that is very dangerous ground to stay dug into. Remember, Jesus came into this world 600 years before Mohammad, and the New Testament is the source document to use in quoting Him. If Mohammad said anything contrary to what was written 600 years before he was even born, then you need to consider who is right--Jesus or Mohammad. Either Jesus was, and is, the Son of God and spoke the Truth, or He was a madman, and megalomaniac. One or the other. He cannot be both. You will either bow your knee before Him now or you will do it in eternity when it will then be too late to receive Him as your Lord and Saviour. Again, friend, be careful how you handle the Word of God. When I spoke of intellectual honesty, another word for it is integrity. I applaud your searching Biblical scriptures; however, do not change the words of the Bible to suit your Muslim faith. That is blasphemy, so be careful that you do not reap eternal damnation to yourself. Ask the Holy Spirit to lead you into truth....
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 12:27am
kingskid wrote:
Dear Br. Zainool,
I see you have a zeal for
knowledge, but it appears you bite off more than you can reasonably chew
and digest. Let's take things one at a time, okay? First of all, the
Holy Spirit made His debut, or entrance to the world, during what
is termed Pentecost. However, He didn't become manifest to just the
disciples or for just that one time. Joel 2:28 reads:
�And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions." (emphasis added)
Acts 2:17 reads:
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams." (emphasis added)
Jesus said in John 14:26:
"But
the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He
will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that
I said to you."
And in Mat. 28:18-20, Jesus said:
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, �All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.� Amen. |
Peace unto you!
My friend, it seems to me you didn't comprehend this:
Jesus (S) spoke of two
personalities: The Comforter and the Holy Ghost/Spirit. I have established both of them, that
is, one in Heaven with the Father and
one was with the disciples on earth.
Let us look at John 14:26 it is mentioned:
�Butt the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost...� (John14: 26)
Here we understood that the comforter is the
Holy Spirit. However, in 1John 2:1
Jesus was also called comforter, it read:
�...we have an �advocate� with the father, Jesus
Christ the righteous.� (1John.2: 1)
The Greek word used there for both is
�paracletos� which translated as �comforter, advocate, etc.� so we have now,
Jesus (s) as a comforter and the holy spirit as the comforter, both were call
comforter so we arrive with two now called comforter, man and spirit. http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A26§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A26&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - -
After
said that, now, let�s look at john14: 16-17. Jesus (s) said:
��I will pray to the father, and he shall give you "another" comforter that he
may abide with you for ever. even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot
receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for �he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.� (John14: 16-17)
In the above verse Jesus (S) make mentioned of
both the �another Comforter� who is with
the father in heaven and the
�Spirit of truth� which dwells with the disciples on earth.
In
that verse, the key word is "another". If something is already with you how
can we call it �another� when it is already with you, can we? No! As the verse
continues, it read:
�even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in
you.�
You see that? It says: �for he dwelleth with you� meaning it is already with them. so another
comforter here is not the spirit of truth that is already with them,
it is referring to someone that is not there. Jesus (s) himself is a
comforter according 1John 2:1
...we have an �advocate� with the father, Jesus Christ the
righteous. (1John.2:1)
He then is telling them (the disciples) about
another one. What does �another� mean? It cannot be the
same thing; it has to be another like the same thing. Jesus (s) is the �first� comforter; then the �other�: the one to follow must be of �like nature� or we can say, the �another comforter� like Jesus (s)
who is a comforter.
So it�s two personalities:
(1) � the one
which is yet to come from the father and
(2) � the one that dwells with the disciples. That is the
point Christians� commentators were missing.
Another important fact is where this �another
comforter� will come. I shall examine John 14:16-17 and other verses in more
details.
Jesus
(s) said:
��I will pray to the father,
and he shall give you �another comforter��� (John http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A16§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A16&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - - 14:16-17 )
They Christian�s commentators miss that very
important fact. This �comforter� has to come from the �father!� And who is Jesus (S) Father? Jesus (S)
said:
��I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;
and my God, and your God.� (John 20:16-17 AKJV)
According to him, his Father is OUR GOD
and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, he said: �MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.� In other
words, the other comforter has to come from God Almighty. Jesus (s) conform it in John 16:7: he said:
�Nevertheless, I tell you the truth:
it is expedient for you that �I go� for if �I go not away�, the
comforter will not come unto you, but if �I depart�, I will send him unto you.� (John 16:7)
That would mean the comforter was with the father in heaven and when
he goes to the father in heaven then he will send him. We cannot say Jesus
(s) will send himself, which is foolish because Jesus (s) is not there with the
father in heaven when he was talking to the disciples. The �another comforter�
is in heaven with the father, Jesus (s) mentioned it in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 :
�and no man hath ascended up to
heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is �in� heaven.� http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=Hohn%203:= - - John 3: 13 (kjv)
Jesus
(S) was the Son of man �ON� earth
and he spoke about �another� Son of man which is �IN� heaven.
Now, let us look at John 14:16-17 again, he
said:
��I will pray to
the father, and he shall give you �another� comforter� even the
spirit of truth� but ye know him; for �he dwelleth with you� and shall be in
you.
Jesus
(S) was talking about �another comforter� who is with the Father in Heaven and
when he goes to Heaven then that comforter will comes and also the �Holy
Spirit� which was with the disciple on earth (�for he dwelleth with you�).
Br. Zainool
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 12:38am
kingskid wrote:
Dear Br. Zainool,
I see you have a zeal for knowledge, but it appears you bite off more than you can reasonably chew and digest. Let's take things one at a time, okay? First of all, the Holy Spirit made His debut, or entrance to the world, during what is termed Pentecost. However, He didn't become manifest to just the disciples or for just that one time. Joel 2:28 reads:
in Mat. 28:18-20, Jesus said:
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, �All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.� Amen.
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My friend, that is a concoction! "FATHER" is
not a name!
Again:
Jesus said: 6 "I have manifested thy
name unto the men which thou gavest
me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word." 11 And
now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee.
Holy Father, keep through thine own name
those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (kjv)
Jesus (S) himself claimed to have glorify God's name
in John 12:28
He said: Father, glorify your name. �Then a voice
came from heaven, saying, �I
have both glorified it and will glorify it again.� John 12:28
Not only that;
he claimed to have come in his Father�s name, which name could that be? Was he
talking about �FATHER" IS FATHER A NAME?
"I have
come in My Father's name, and you do
not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. (John
5:43)
He also even mentioned that he did work in his
Father�s name in John 10:25
Jesus answered them, "I told you,
and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these
testify of Me. (John 10:25)
If Jesus (S) is talking about his
Father's name how suddenly "FATHER" became God name?
Br.
zainool
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 12:56am
kingskid wrote:
Dear Br. Zainool,
You are free to either accept Jesus' words, or to reject them. But rejecting His words is to reject Him and that is very dangerous ground to stay dug into. Remember, Jesus came into this world 600 years before Mohammad, and the New Testament is the source document to use in quoting Him. If Mohammad said anything contrary to what was written 600 years before he was even born, then you need to consider who is right--Jesus or Mohammad. Either Jesus was, and is, the Son of God and spoke the Truth, or He was a madman, and megalomaniac. One or the other. He cannot be both. You will either bow your knee before Him now or you will do it in eternity when it will then be too late to receive Him as your Lord and Saviour. Again, friend, be careful how you handle the Word of God. When I spoke of intellectual honesty, another word for it is integrity. I applaud your searching Biblical scriptures; however, do not change the words of the Bible to suit your Muslim faith. That is blasphemy, so be careful that you do not reap eternal damnation to yourself. Ask the Holy Spirit to lead you into truth....
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How could the bible be Jesus (S) words when it is not
even his disciples word?
Jesus (s) said he has manifested God's name and his disciples kept his words:
6 I have manifested
thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest
them me; and they (disciples) have kept thy word.
8 For I have
given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received
them, and have known surely that I came out
from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in
the world, and I come to thee. Holy
Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While
I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy
name:
those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of
perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in
the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy
word; and the world hath hated them, because
they are not of the world, even as I am not of
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
20 Neither
pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their
word;
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou
hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. (John: 6-26)
If God's name is not in the writings, that prove it
all, it is not the word of the disciples because Jesus (S) says, he
manifested God's own name and the disciples kept his word. Where is the
name to prove it is the word of the disciples?
Jesus (S) himself claimed to have glorify God's name
in John 12:28 Where is God's name to prove it is the word of his disciples?
He said: Father, glorify your name. �Then a voice
came from heaven, saying, �I
have both glorified it and will glorify it again.� John 12:28
Not only that;
he claimed to have come in his Father�s name, Where is God's name to prove it is the word of his disciples?
"I have
come in My Father's name, and you do
not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. (John
5:43)
He also even mentioned that he did work in his
Father�s name in John 10:25
Where is God's name to prove it is the word of his
disciples?
Jesus answered them, "I told
you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name,
these testify of Me. (John 10:25)
According to
Act 4:12 SALVATION lies in some one name, which name could that be? Where is God's name to prove it is the word of his disciples?
Neither is there
salvation in any other: for
there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Act. 4:12
Br.
Zainool
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 4:43pm
Peace unto you my friend!
It look like you get mute so I decided to post a follow up on the Comforter.
ISAIAH 42 COMFORTER BRINGING JUDGMENTS TO
THE GENTILE
The explanation of Isaiah 42 was found on this site : http://jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/the-Jewish-Bible/Muhammad-in-Isaiah42.htm - and think it would worth add to this
message because of its contextual relationship with the Comforter. I did a
little editing. May Allah (S) bless the Brother for his
outstanding piece of work.
Isaiah 42 has to do with a
prophecy of Almighty God�s servant whom He will send to the Gentile (entire
whole) with his new law or I should say His new universal criterion of Judgment
between right and wrong. This servant has to come from Ishmael�s descendant
true Kedar (Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up
their voice, the village that Kedar
doth inhabit�(Isaiah. 42:11); And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their
names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth�and Kedar...� (Genesis 25:13)
However, all Christian�s Scholars agreed that
this prophecy in Isaiah 42 is of
Jesus (S) and ignoring the fact that Isaiah describe him as �God�s Servant and Messenger�: �Behold
my servant, whom I uphold; mine
elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall
bring forth judgment to the Gentile.�
(Isaiah 42:1), this
�Servant� was described as a �messenger� according to Isaiah 42: 18-19: �Hear,
ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. Who is blind, but my servant? Or deaf, as my messenger that
I sent? Who is blind as he that is perfect, and
blind as the Lord�s
servant? (Isaiah .42:18-19); and according to them Jesus (S) is God or
son of God. What is more questionable is this Servant and Messenger will bring
�Judgment to the Gentiles� and on the other hand Jesus (S) said the comforter
will reprove the world (Gentiles) of judgment: �And when he (the Comforter)
is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� (John.16:8). If the Comforter will reprove the world
(Gentile) of Judgment then the Comforter is a person according to Isaiah 42:1.
All prophets after Jacob (S)
mentioned in the Bible came for the Israelites not Gentiles. This includes
Jesus (S) (Matt.15:21-26, Matt. 10:5-6 and many more. And Jesus (S) did not
stay on earth long enough to bring judgment
to the Gentile. But Muhammad (S) he brought message which is the Criterion of Judgment between right and
wrong to the Gentiles.
It mentioned in the Qur�an:
�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of
judgment between right and wrong, i.e. the Qur�an) to his slave [Muhammad
(pbuh)] that he may be a Warner to the �Alamin (mankind and jinn).� (Q. 25:1)
How would the comforter reprove the world of
Judgment? He would reprove the world of judgment when the everlasting Good News
would have come. Revelation 14: 6-7 mentioned the coming of the universal Book
of judgment:
�And
I saw another angel fly in the mid of Heaven, having the everlasting gospel to
preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nations, and kindred,
and tongue, and people, Saying... fear God and give glory to him for judgment is come.� (Rev. 14:6-7)
That is the future tense! The
book of Revelation Ch. 14: 6-7 which is a part of the Collection of books (The
Bible), which is already here; it�s mentioned of an �angel coming from
heaven� with the everlasting gospel for all nations. The same Greek word �Euaggelizo�
which translates as Gospel which is the Good News, it mentioned also in
revelation 14. The NWT got correct translation:
6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and
he had everlasting good news to
declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation
and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: �FEAR God and give
him glory, because the hour of the
judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and
the earth and sea and fountains of waters.� (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)
Note: This everlasting good news was coming from Heaving, an angel was bringing it from Heaven,
and it was describe as a �Judgment� to �preach� to all nations. That
Judgment was the criterion between rights and wrong, that Judgment there is the
Law (His will) to preach
unto them that dwell on earth (all nations). What Jesus (S) said? He said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be don on
earth!�
The Qur�an makes that claimed in ch.26: 192-196.It
mentioned:
�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and
wrong) to His Servant,
that it may be an admonition to all
creatures.� (Q. 25:1)
A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic,
for people who understand-Giving Good
News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not.
(Q. 41:3-4)
�Thus
have We revealed it (the
Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority
in Arabic� (Q. 13:37)
Ramadhan
is the (month) in which was sent down
the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right
and wrong). (Qur�an 2:185)
That is exactly what Isaiah
prophecy, that the Judgment to the Gentiles is the law. It mentioned:
3-A bruised reed shall he not
break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth
Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not
fail nor be discouraged, till he has set
judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah 42:3-4)
For
the LAW was given by Moses� (John 1:17)
Moses (S) was a Law Giver, and then come
another law giver, the Comforter: �He
shall reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2016:8&version=9 - ). Jesus (S) did not set
Judgment on the earth he said the Comforter will in John 16:8; and Muhammad (S)
he establishes a state and ruled with his law that given by God Almighty. Therefore he set Judgment in the earth and he did not fail and he was not
discouraged, he is the universal law giver to the Gentiles.
Isaiah.42:9 clearly stated:
�Behold,
the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they
spring forth I tell you.�(Isaiah 42:9)
The former things are the old law and have to replace
with new law (the Islamic law),
Also in Isaiah 49: 10 it mentioned
of the �scepter and law giver� will remove from Judah, it was remove at the
time of Muhammad (S); unto him shall the gathering of the people be:
�The
scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.� http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2049:10&version=9 -
In verse 2 it mentioned:
2-He
shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. (Isaiah 42:2)
Here the word: �not cry� is used as �not
complain about the duty that gave to him� because we see in verse 13 God
says ��he shall cry.� There is a
difference between these two using of the word �cry.� Now, in the book of Matthew 26:37-39 Jesus (S) said: ��My
soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death�and prayed, saying, O my Father,
if it be possible. Let the cup pass from me: nevertheless not as my will� (Matthew
26:37-39). We cannot say that Jesus (S)
never complained. But if you read the history of Muhammad (S) / the history of
Islam you cannot find one complaining word of Muhammad (S) about his mission
(duty) that given by God Almighty.
This Servant would be call in
righteousness, and given a covenant for his people and a light of the Gentile:
5-Thus saith God the Lord, he
that created the heaven, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth
and that which comes out of it; he that givith breath unto the people upon it,
and spirit to them that walk therein. 6-I
the Lord have called thee in
righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and well keep thee, and give thee
for a covenant of the people. For a
light of the Gentile. (Isaiah 42:5-6)
�
Righteousness: And verily, you [O Muhammad
(pbuh)] are on an exalted (standard of) character. (Q. 68:4)
�
Covenant: Behold! Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets, Saying: �I
gave you a Book and Wisdom; then come to you a Messenger [Muhammad (pubh)],
confirming what is with you; Do you believe in him and render help.� Allah
said: �Do you agree, and take this my
Covenant as binding on you?� They said: �We agree. �He said: Then bear
witness, and I am with you among the witness. (Q. 3:8)
�
For a light of the Gentile: �Indeed, there has come to you
from Allah a light [Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh)] and a plain Book (the Qur�an). (N.Q. 5:15); We have not sent thee but as a (Universal Messenger) to all mankind.
(Q. 34:28)
Moving on to verse 7 it
mentioned:
7-To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out
of the prison house. (Isaiah 42:7)
�To open blind eyes� If we read verse 19 we will see more
clearly that the world is used as �idiom.� Meaning, he will show people the
things that they did not know and will show people how to comprehend God and
His Message.
�Prison� is used as idiom too. If a spirit doesn�t know God
and doesn�t obeying Him, then that spirit is in prison of Satan, and that
person is prisoner of Satan. By accepting oneness of God and by obeying Him,
the spirit of a person will be free and this makes that person free from prison
of Satan. And in verse 8 God Almighty clearly states what He meant.
8-I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glories
will I not gave to another, neither my praise to graven image. (Isaiah.42:8)
The word �Lord� translates
from �YHWH� which sometimes translates a �Yahweh�; and that is not God name.
See explanation on Ch. 3. However, the Qur�an mentioned this:
�Call
upon Allah, or call upon al Rahman. By what ever name ye call upon Him. (It is
well): for to Him belong the most beautiful names. (Q. 17:110)
With explanation of verse 7, we understand
that the person that God is talking about will come to a place that people worship idols as their gods. From verse
7and 8, we understand that God Almighty is not talking about Jesus (S) but
Muhammad (S), because Jesus (S) came to the Israelites and they were not worshiping idols, but Muhammad (S) came during the
Jahillia (ignorance) period of Arabs and destroys the idols. If we read verse
17, it will be understood more clearly.
10-Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth� (Isaiah 42:10)
The Qur�an is the new song, if you want to hear this new song please listen to some
one reciting the Qur�an, you will understand what God Almighty is talking
about, it message has already reach to the end of the earth. LISTEN
TO THE NEW SONG HERE Qur 21�1-2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp4rQL_iI6Y - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp4rQL_iI6Y
21:1 (Y. Ali) Closer and closer to
mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away. 2Never comes (aught) to them of a renewed Message from their Lord, but
they listen to it as in jest,- (Quran. 21:1-2)
AND HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXWQcXlnqLo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXWQcXlnqLo
2:1 A.L.M. 2-This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. 3-Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; 4-And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy
time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. 5-They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper. 6-As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. 7-Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).(Qur'an 2:1-7)
11-Let the wilderness and the
cities thereof lift up their voice, the village
that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock, let them shout
from the top of the mountains. (Isaiah
42:11)
In the O.T. there is only one personality
called Kedar, and Kedar is the descendant of Ishmael�s (S),
(And these are the names of the
son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born
of Ishmael, Nebajoth�and Kedar...� http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2025:13&version=9 - - Genesis
25:13 ; And he (Ishmael) dwelt in the
wilderness of Paran http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2021:21&version=9 - - Genesis
21:21 . It has nothing to do with Jesus (S) but Muhammad (S).
As you can see, Muhammad (S) is descendant of
Abraham�s (S) through Ishmael (S) and the cities that they inhabited are in
Arabia namely: Paran (Makah), Telma (Tema/ Teman), Yathrib (Al-Madina Al-
Munawwarah) etc. And If you observe the ritual of Muslim (especially during
Hajj), you will see that cities (Makah and Al Medina) lift up their voices meaning: people shout and glorify Allah (S) from top of mountains, especially Mt.
Arafat. You can also see this in every Muslim country when Muslims are called to prayer, the Muezzins read the
Adhan (calling to prayer) that sound like a song and even far from the city you
can hear this Adhan, it will look like
that city lift up its voice.
12-Let them give glory unto
the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands. (Isaiah
42:12)
It says here: �Let them� who is them? It
is the descendants of Kedar�s.
God Almighty promise for
Ishmael (S): �And as for Ishmael� Behold I have
bless him twelve Princes shall he beget, and I will make him a Great Nation.�
( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - - Genesis 17:20 )
13-The Lord shall go forth as
a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry yea,
roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. (Isaiah 42:13)
In the Old Testament when God said he does a
certain thing, he often used an angel or a prophet sometimes, example:
And
the Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from
Mount Paran, and he came with ten
thousand saints: from his right hand went a fiery law. (Duet. 33:2)
Does the Lord rose up from
Seir? Did he come from Paran? No! His message came from those places through
Prophets.
14-I have long time holden my
peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a traveling
woman; I will destroy and devour at once. (Isaiah 42:14)
If we examine the history of Prophet (S) you
will see that he was preaching the message peacefully and the unbeliever begin
to prosecuting him and his� followers until he migrates to Medina where he
received revelation to fight them, and many war he did fought and win. That
verse also tied into Habakkuk 3 where the �Holy One from Mt. Paran� invaded
them with his troops. For in keeping with the message in context I have
included explanation on �PARAN� where Ishmael (S) dwelt.
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Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 4:44pm
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THE HOLY ONE FROM MT. PARAN
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:3-16&version=9 - - HABAKKUK
3:3-16 :
�And
the Holy One from Mount Paran.
Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. (Habakkuk 3:3)
The name �Muhammad� mean �the praise one� he is the Se-lah.
None of the Israelites,
including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael,
wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness
of Paran: �And he
[Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2021:21&version=9 - - ).
The only one who claimed to have come from the
descendant of Ishmael (S) is Muhammad (S), he is the Holy one from Mt. Paran
and the Holy One from Mount Paran he came with the war cry to destroy and
devour at once, he shall prevail against his enemies just as Isaiah 42 mentioned
above. Also, he shall bring Salvation and his message is universal:
Habakkuk 3:11-13 mentioned:
��at
the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering
spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the ANOINTED;
thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the
foundation unto the neck. Se-lah.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:11-14&version=9 - - Habk. 3:11-13 )
He
stood and measured the earth:
he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His
way are everlasting. (Habk. 3:6)
Measured the earth: Meaning:
His message is for the whole earth (universal message) and His way are everlasting.
Qur�an conforms:
�We have not sent thee but as a (universal
Messenger) to ALL mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against
sin), but most of mankind knows not.� (Q. 34:28)
And Habakkuk mentioned:
��When
he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.�
(Habk. 3:16)
Histories of Islam have it
that Muhammad (S) invades Mecca with ten
thousand followers only kill six
persons who were among the leaders:
Thou
woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah. (Habk. 3:13)
The advent of Muhammad (S) in
the book of Revelation:
��when
the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a
bow; and a crown was given unto him: and
he went forth conquering, and to conquer.� (Rev.6:1-2)
It is also mentioned in Duet. 33:2
(KJV):
�And
he [Moses (S)] said: the Lord came
from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and
he came with �ten thousand Saints�:
from his right hand went a �fiery Law�
for them.� (Duet. 33:2)
In these words the Lord has
been compared with the �sun.� He comes from Sinai, he rises from Seir, but he shines in his full glory from Paran,
where he had to appear with ten
thousands of saints with a fiery law in his right hand.
Also in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude%201:14-15%20&version=9 -
And
Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the
Lord cometh with ten thousands of his
saints, 15To execute judgment upon
all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all
their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard
speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude
1:14-15)
That is exactly what Muhammad
(S) did: He (S) came with ten thousand saints, He (S) execute
judgment upon all, He convince all that were ungodly among His
people of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all
their hard speeches which they ungodly sinners have spoken against him. You
don�t have to believe me, go to the internet and look his� history for
yourself; and Jude 1:15 mentioned there: �15To execute judgment upon all�
Allah (S) conform it in the Qur�an:
�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and
wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an
admonition to all creatures. (Q.
25:1)
Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q. 13:37)
Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide
to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong).� (Qur. 2:185)
Muhammad (S) received revelation in the cave
of Mount Hira in Arabia (Paran), later to be known as Jabal-un-Noor (Mountain
of Light). After his migration to Medina, he returns and invades Mecca with �ten thousand Saints� and he
establishes the �fiery Law� (Islamic
law). Moses (S) is the only law giver in the O.T. and he prophesies another law
giver which is Muhammad (S).
For
the LAW was given by Moses (John 1:17).Then the new Song: new law (Isaiah
42:10)
And
his (the Holy one from Mt.
Paran) brightness was as the light, he had horns coming out of his hand. (Habk. 3:4)
Horns represent kings: Rev.17:12 and the ten horns�are ten kings.
Qur�an conforms:
�Oh
Prophet! Truly, We have sent you as�a
lamp spreading Light.� (Q. 33:45-46)
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ISAIAH 42 CONTINUES:
15-
I will make waste mountain and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will
make the rivers islands, and dry up the pools. (Isaiah 42:15)
Here God Almighty is talking about desert
where Ishmael dwelt (Paran: in Arabia). In desert place, where mountains and
hills of sand are not steady, they diminish with winds and another appears. And
you cannot find rivers but small water island as described by God Almighty. And
this verse it has nothing to do with Jesus (S).
16-And I will bring the blind
by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in the path that they have not
known: I will make darkness light
before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them
(Kedarites: Ishmaelite), and not forsake them. (Isaiah 42:16)
God Almighty did not forget the Ishmaelite he
brings them out of darkness into light, he lead them into a path they knew not
with the advent of Muhammad (S).
Because verse 22 said:
�But
this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them in holes, and they
are hid in prison houses: they are
for prey, and none saith, delivereth,
for a spoil, and none, restore.� (Exp. of �prison� at verse7)
�And none delivereth� and none saith, restore� God was talking about corrupted society
of pagan Arabs. And, indeed, He had not sent any prophet to the Arabs until the
advent of Muhammad (S). But up to Jesus (S), many prophets had been sent to
Israelites, so this verse has nothing to do with Jesus (S).
17-They shall be turned back
they shall be greatly ashamed, that
trust in graven images, that say to
the molten images, ye are our gods. (Isaiah 42:17)
This is exactly what pagans Arabs did, when
they heard the message that given to Muhammad (S) by God Almighty. They offered
money, authority and many things to our prophet and he did not accept any of
them. They ashamed, because they thought that all others Arabs will mock them,
and not visit the Kaba (at that time they were using the Kaba as place of the
idols that all other Arab tribes were using) and this would be their economic
end. And they turned to graven image and they asked help from those image. As
you can see this has nothing to do with Jesus (S). So God Almighty said to all
those who read this message:
18-Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye
blind, that ye may see. (Isaiah 42:18)
See what verse 19 and 20 tells
us what? It reads:
19-Who is blind, but my servant? Or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? Who is blind
as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord�s servant?
20-Seeing many things, but
thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
In other words this servant is a Messenger; and before
his call to prophet hood he was blind to the truth and deaf to the
understanding of the truth� to the extent that he didn�t know to read and write
but was perfect role model to his people, he was described by his people as the
�truthful one� although he saw all those malpractices in his society he did not
take part of it� he was a righteous man and God Almighty was pleased with him
to send his �new universal law�.
21-The
Lord is well pleased for his righteousness sake; he will magnify the (new)
law, and make it honorable. (Isaiah 42:21)
So the God of Isaiah asks:
23-Who
among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to
come?
Who will become Muslim? The
Noble call:
�O ye People of the Book! Believe in what
We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you�� (Q. 4:47)
�Truth has (now) come, and falsehood
perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)
Br. Zainool
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 5:30pm
10-Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth� (Isaiah 42:10)
The Qur�an is
the new song, if you want to hear
this new song please listen to some one reciting the Qur�an, you will
understand what God Almighty is talking about, it message has already reach to
the end of the earth. HERE IS SOME MORE NEW SONG TO LISTEN TO:
3:1A. L. M. 2-Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal. 3-It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book,
confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and
the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent
down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). 4-Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the
severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution. (QUR. 3:1-4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI9tGISJu98&list=UUAEf9eC1Ezk3aMyrQLURsyQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI9tGISJu98&list=UUAEf9eC1Ezk3aMyrQLURsyQ
36:1 Ya Sin. 2 (Y. Ali) By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,- 3 Thou art indeed one of the apostles, 4 On a Straight Way. 5 It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. 6 In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received
no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of
Allah... 30 Ah! Alas for (My) Servants! There comes not an apostle to them but they mock him! 31 See they not how many generations before them we destroyed? Not to them will they return: 32 But each one of them all - will be brought before Us (for judgment). 33 A Sign for them is the earth that is dead: We do give it life, and produce grain therefrom, of which ye do eat. 34 And We produce therein orchard with date-palms and vines, and We cause springs to gush forth therein: 35 That they may enjoy the fruits of this (artistry): It was not their hands that made this: will they not then give thanks? 36 Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth
produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which
they have no knowledge. 37 And a Sign for them is the Night: We withdraw therefrom the Day, and behold they are plunged in darkness; 38 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is
the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. 39 And the Moon,- We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she
returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk. 40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night
outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according
to Law). (Qur. 36:1-40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV6HLIR8rv4&list=UUAEf9eC1Ezk3aMyrQLURsyQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV6HLIR8rv4&list=UUAEf9eC1Ezk3aMyrQLURsyQ Br. Zainool
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 29 January 2015 at 10:30am
Br. Zainool,
very detailed and thorough study. No doubt that what the previous scriptures foretold about coming of prophet Mohammed (pbuh) was true. Those with true faith accepted him as such. Others denied to their own loss.
JazakAllah.
Hasan
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 10:39am
truthnowcome wrote:
10-Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth� (Isaiah 42:10)
The Qur�an is the new song, if you want to hear this new song please listen to some one reciting the Qur�an, you will understand what God Almighty is talking about, it message has already reach to the end of the earth. HERE IS SOME MORE NEW SONG TO LISTEN TO:
3:1A. L. M. 2-Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal. 3-It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). 4-Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution. (QUR. 3:1-4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI9tGISJu98&list=UUAEf9eC1Ezk3aMyrQLURsyQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI9tGISJu98&list=UUAEf9eC1Ezk3aMyrQLURsyQ 36:1 Ya Sin. 2 (Y. Ali) By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,- 3 Thou art indeed one of the apostles, 4 On a Straight Way. 5 It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. 6 In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah... 30 Ah! Alas for (My) Servants! There comes not an apostle to them but they mock him! 31 See they not how many generations before them we destroyed? Not to them will they return: 32 But each one of them all - will be brought before Us (for judgment). 33 A Sign for them is the earth that is dead: We do give it life, and produce grain therefrom, of which ye do eat. 34 And We produce therein orchard with date-palms and vines, and We cause springs to gush forth therein: 35 That they may enjoy the fruits of this (artistry): It was not their hands that made this: will they not then give thanks? 36 Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge. 37 And a Sign for them is the Night: We withdraw therefrom the Day, and behold they are plunged in darkness; 38 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. 39 And the Moon,- We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk. 40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). (Qur. 36:1-40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV6HLIR8rv4&list=UUAEf9eC1Ezk3aMyrQLURsyQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV6HLIR8rv4&list=UUAEf9eC1Ezk3aMyrQLURsyQ Br. Zainool
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Okay you have made a lot of allegations about the so called predictions from which muslim clercy men concocted from the so called corrupted bible about the prediction that Muhammad was the so called comforter then there is "muslim sites" that clearly states that Jesus and the GOD in the Quran is not the same as in the Bible so where do Allah came from if it is not the same God muslims must decide now on or from which plate they wanted thier food to be served on.
"No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." (1 John3:23)
Long before Muhammad was born, Arabic Christians were already referring to God as Allah � and millions continue to do so today. The Allah of Islam, however, is definitely not the God of the Bible; for while Muslims passionately defend the unity of God, they patently deny His triunity. They recoil at the notion of God as Father, reject the unique deity of Jesus Christ the Son, and renounce the divine identity of the Holy Spirit.
Muslims, furthermore, dogmatically denounce the Christian declaration of Christ's unique deity as the unforgivable sin of shirk. As the Qur'an puts it, "Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this" (Sura 4:116). Muslims readily affirm the sinlessness of Christ, however, they adamantly deny His sacrifice upon the cross and subsequent resurrection. In doing so, they deny the singular historical fact that demonstrates that Jesus does not stand in a long line of peers from Abraham to Muhammad, but is God in human flesh. The Qur'anic phrase, "Allah raised him up" (Sura 4:158) is taken to mean that Jesus was supernaturally raptured rather than resurrected from the dead. In Islamic lore, God made someone look like Jesus, and this look-alike was crucified in His place. In recent years, the myth that Judas was crucified in place of Jesus has been popularized in Muslim circles due to the propagation of a late-medieval work titled The Gospel of Barnabas. Against the weight of historical evidence, the Qur'an exclaims, "they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them" (Sura 4:157).
Finally, in addition to rejecting the divinity of Jesus, Islam also renounces the divine identity of the Holy Spirit. Far from being the third person of the triune God who inspired the text of the Bible, Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is the archangel Gabriel who dictated the Qur'an to Muhammad over a period of 23 years. This is ironic considering that Islam also identifies the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus in John 14 as Muhammad. The Bible, however, roundly rejects such corruptions and misrepresentations. The Holy Spirit is neither an angel nor a mere mortal; rather, He is the very God Who redeems us from our sins and will one day resurrect us to life eternal (e.g., Ats 5:3-4 ; Rom 8:11)
1st John 2:22 calls ALL Muslims "LIARS" because they deny that Jesus is the Christ...
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
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Date Posted: 08 February 2015 at 8:18pm
Peace maker wrote:
Okay you have made a lot of allegations about the so called predictions from which muslim clercy men concocted from the so called corrupted bible about the prediction that Muhammad was the so called comforter then there is "muslim sites" that clearly states that Jesus and the GOD in the Quran is not the same as in the Bible so where do Allah came from if it is not the same God muslims must decide now on or from which plate they wanted thier food to be served on.
"No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." (1 John3:23)
Long before Muhammad was born, Arabic Christians were already referring to God as Allah � and millions continue to do so today. The Allah of Islam, however, is definitely not the God of the Bible; for while Muslims passionately defend the unity of God, they patently deny His triunity. They recoil at the notion of God as Father, reject the unique deity of Jesus Christ the Son, and renounce the divine identity of the Holy Spirit.
Muslims, furthermore, dogmatically denounce the Christian declaration of Christ's unique deity as the unforgivable sin of shirk. As the Qur'an puts it, "Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this" (Sura 4:116). Muslims readily affirm the sinlessness of Christ, however, they adamantly deny His sacrifice upon the cross and subsequent resurrection. In doing so, they deny the singular historical fact that demonstrates that Jesus does not stand in a long line of peers from Abraham to Muhammad, but is God in human flesh. The Qur'anic phrase, "Allah raised him up" (Sura 4:158) is taken to mean that Jesus was supernaturally raptured rather than resurrected from the dead. In Islamic lore, God made someone look like Jesus, and this look-alike was crucified in His place. In recent years, the myth that Judas was crucified in place of Jesus has been popularized in Muslim circles due to the propagation of a late-medieval work titled The Gospel of Barnabas. Against the weight of historical evidence, the Qur'an exclaims, "they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them" (Sura 4:157).
Finally, in addition to rejecting the divinity of Jesus, Islam also renounces the divine identity of the Holy Spirit. Far from being the third person of the triune God who inspired the text of the Bible, Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is the archangel Gabriel who dictated the Qur'an to Muhammad over a period of 23 years. This is ironic considering that Islam also identifies the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus in John 14 as Muhammad. The Bible, however, roundly rejects such corruptions and misrepresentations. The Holy Spirit is neither an angel nor a mere mortal; rather, He is the very God Who redeems us from our sins and will one day resurrect us to life eternal (e.g., Ats 5:3-4 ; Rom 8:11)
1st John 2:22 calls ALL Muslims "LIARS" because they deny that Jesus is the Christ...
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." |
Peace unto you!
I have already established that the Bible is a Greek's translation...However, we can still work with that.
You said: "Islam is definitely not the God of the bible." Well of course, we Muslims didn't denied that; we know the bible is a Greek collection of books and not the revelation of the Messiah (S); but what we can say for sure, Jesus (S) and Muhammad (S) worship the same God Allah (S).
In Islam
Muslims were thought that Islam is the first and only religion recognize by
Allah (S) (God Almighty). Why Islam? It is because Islam is an Arabic
word...when translated to English would mean: �peace and complete submission to
the will of God Almighty�; in other words: peace acquired by total submission
to the will of God Almighty.
If we go
back to the origin of man, the first man Adam (S) as the scriptures
established, we would recognize that he was order by God Almighty to �submit to
His will� in order to received help and guidance, thus, he believed in
�submitting to God�s will� which when translates in to Arabic would be �ISLAM�;
so Islam was there from the very beginning of Adam (S). The Qur�an is just the
last message to all mankind [The Religion before
Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)�But if you deny the Signs of Allah,
Allah is swift in calling to account. (Q. 3:19)]. It is God
Almighty who chooses the name �ISLAM� for his religion. (This day have I perfected your religion for you,
completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
(Q. 5:3)
All
prophets believe in the �submission to God�s will (Islam). For example: Jesus
(S) preached Islam. He said:
I
can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just;
because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(John5: 30).
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord,
Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Matthew 7:21-22)
According to those two verse Jesus
(s) call God his Father. So I will clarifies who is his father from what is
written in John 20:16-17, he Jesus (S) said:
��Touch me not, for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and my God,
and your God.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020:16-17%20&version=9 - - John
20:16-17 AKJV)
According to him, his Father is �OUR
GOD and HIS GOD�; He has a GOD, He said: �MY
GOD AND YOUR GOD�. So the verses should read as follows:
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I
hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will,
but the will of my God which
hath sent me. (John5: 30).
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into
the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my God which
is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21-22)
In others words, he submit to the
will of his God and he preached �submission to will of his God which when
translate to Arabic would mean �Islam�. He even prophesies the coming of
�Islam�. He said:
�After this manner therefore pray ye: Our
Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in
earth, as it is in heaven.�( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:9-13&version=9 - )
Coming of God Almighty kingdom on earth �His� will� shall
be done on earth. What is the will? God�s will is his divine law. The coming
Kingdom is a message from God for all nations. He said: �Thy kingdom
come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.� As we can
see that the ticket to Heaven has a �condition� and that is, we have to �do the
will of the Father� In other words, we have to be obedience to God Law, what he was preaching is �Submission to the will of God� (Thy will be done on earth) which
when translate in Arabic is �Islam� will be done on earth. As I have said, all
Prophets preached �submission to the will of God� (Islam). Allah (s) informs us
in the Noble Qur�an.
�The Religion before Allah is Islam
(submission to His Will)�But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in
calling to account.� (Quran. 3:19)
To every people did We appoint rites (of
sacrifice), that they might celebrate the name of Allah over the sustenance He
gave them from animals (fit for food). But your god is One God: submit then your wills to Him (in
Islam): and give thou the good news to those who humble themselves, (Quran. 22:34)
Those Prophets was sent to their
own nation respectively according to their own language:
�For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the
Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some
whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So
travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the
Truth).� (Qur.16: 36); and �We
sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in
order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom
He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of
Wisdom.� (Quran. 14:4)
For example Jesus (S) was sent to
the Children of Israel:
�But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the
house of Israel.� (Matthew 15: 24); These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not
into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye
not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.�
(Matthew 10:5-6)
Muhammad (S) on the other hand was
sent as a universal Messenger to all mankind, Allah (S) mentioned in Qur�an:
�We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all
mankind�but most of mankind knew not�. (Q. 34:28)
BELIEVE IN THE ONLY ONE TRUE GOD ALLAH
We all came from the first man and
woman, Adam and Eve, then a nation, then many nations and tribe. Revelation was
sent to mankind since the beginning for guidance and Allah (S) mentioned, those
people did not differ among themselves except through selfish contumacy and
Allah (S) honored the most righteous among the mankind.
�O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female,
and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye
may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah
is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is
well acquainted (with all things).� (Quran.
49:13)
�Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad
tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between
people in matters wherein they differed; but the people of the Book, after
the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through
selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth,
concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guided whom He will to a path
that is straight.� (Quran. 2:213)
The noble call to people of the
book:
Say: "O people of the Book! Come
to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we
associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords
and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear
witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will). (Quran. 3:64)
Jesus (s) thought The First
commandment
�And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one
Lord: V.30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and
with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
this is the first commandment.� (Mark 12:29-30)
From the book of Exodus 20:4-5
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for
I the LORD thy God am a jealous
God (Exodus 20:4-5)
Jesus thought the way to Eternal Life in his final message, he looks up to the Heaven and gives thanks to God
Almighty for affording him to give eternal life to all who God Almighty has
chosen, and that is to believe in the one true God and Jesus the Messiah whom
He has sent.
�1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2As
thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life
to as many as thou hast given him.�(John 17:1-2)
This is what he said:
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�3And this is life eternal, that they (the disciples or who call themselves Christian) might know thee the only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom thou (the only true God) hast sent.� (John 17:3-4)
That is the declaration of faith
at the time of Jesus (S), in other words, is to believe in no other deity
except the one true God Allah (S) and Jesus (S) is the messenger of Allah (S)
and you will received ETERNAL LIFE. Same declaration Muslims make except that
at the end they say, Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S). That is to
say: �I testify that there is no other deity except Allah (S) and I testify
that Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S).�
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it
is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
(Luke 4:8)
�Allah
forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom
He pleaseth other sin than this: one who join other gods with Allah, hath
strayed far, far away (from the right.�) (Q .4:116)
Death penalty for not believe in
the God of the Jews
The God of the Israelites declared
death penalty in Deuteronomy 13:6-9 and in Chronicles 15:13, if anyone
even your own brother or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or
your closest friend encourage you to secretly worship other deity than the God
of Israel he or she must put to death.
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife
you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and
worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods
of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the
other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show
him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to
death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the
hands of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)
Br. Zainool
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Date Posted: 08 February 2015 at 8:22pm
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JESUS
(S) WAS SENT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND THE COMING OF
MUHAMMAD (S) TO THE ALL NATIONS.
Who Jesus (s) was sent? To answer that question with
clarity, let look let see what Jesus has to say about it. Firstly, now where in
the writings it mentioned Jesus (S) claimed he was sent to the Gentiles but in
Mark 16:15 mentioned he sends his disciples to preach the Gospel to all
creatures (Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to
every creatures. Mark 16:15). The question is
what Gospel he was talking about? It was �Good News of the coming of God�s
kingdom on earth which is another message to come�. That doesn�t in anyway
conforms that he was sent to all creatures; what it did, it conforms, he sent
his disciples to preach Good News of the coming of the coming of God�s kingdom
on earth which is another message to come.
This is what he said:
�For the Son of man is come to seek and
to save that which was lost.
(Luke 19:10)
�For the Son of man is come to save that
which was lost.� (Matt. 18:11)
But he answered and said, I am not
sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matt. 15:24)
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded
them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any
city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the
house of Israel� (Matthew 10:5-6)
�He came unto his own, and his own
received him not.� (John 1:11)
Quran conforms:
And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the
Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle
to the Children of Israel, (with this message)� (Qur. 3:48-49)
Jesus (s) mission to the children of Israel was to fulfill the laws for them and inform them of the coming kingdom which is
a new law to come, it is in Matthew 5:18-19 and 10:5:
He said:
�For verily I say unto you (Israelites), Till
heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the
law, till all be fulfilled.� "Anyone who breaks one of the least of
these commandments and teaches others to do so, will be called least in the
kingdom of heaven..."(Matthew 5:18-19)
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded
them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the
Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel. And
as ye go, preach, saying, the kingdom of
heaven is at hand.�
(Matthew 10:5-6)
Quran conforms:
"'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which
was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden
to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and
obey me. (3:50))
And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom,
the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the
Children of Israel, (with this message)� (Qur. 3:48-49)
So, when he send his disciples out into the world was not to
preach the Law to them the law was for the Israelites, he send them to preach
the Gospel. What �Gospel� he was talking
about, is the bible? No, the bible is a collection of books. The Gospel he was
he was instructing them about was to go and inform the world of the �Good News
of the coming of the Kingdom of God which is another message to come.
�Another
parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds:
but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a
tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew
6:31-32)
The �grain of mustard seed� is a �message, the word of God
to come� [Now the parable is this: The seed is the
word of God�. (Luke 8:11)], and the �man� is the one who
will deliver that message. It is mentioned in Revelation 12 and 14; and the
coming of that �message� is the coming of God�s Kingdom on earth. In the book
of Revelation Chapter12 its mentioned the coming of a �man child� who would
have rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival �then� Salvation
and the Kingdom of God will come; God�s Law (his will) shall establish on
earth, meaning, the message will be a universal one. Revelation 14 conforms
that. And in Luke 21 he told them to look for the sign for it coming, it was
yet to come.
�And she brought forth a man
child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10.)�
That man child that mention there in revelation 12:5, Jesus
(S) also spoke of him in John 3:13 (KJV), he call him the �son of man�.
��and no man hath
ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of
man which is �in� heaven.� John 3: 13 (kjv)
Jesus (S) was the Son of man �ON� earth and he spoke about �another� Son of man which is �IN� heaven and he was
described as �another comforter� John 14; 16 who will guide mankind into �all
the truth� John 16:12-13.
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The disciples knew of him it mentioned in 1John 4:1-2
�Beloved, believes not every spirit, but
tries the spirits whether they are of god because many false prophets are gone
out into the world.� (1John .4:1)
I�ll break it down a little for my
Christian�s friends. It read: �believe not every spirit�. How do we
�believe�? We cannot believe if we do not listen and heard the spirit, correct?
We have to listen and hear the spirit to believe. Now, the verse continues: �but try the
spirits whether they are of God� How do we try the Spirit? By
questioning him, and that is not my opinion, V.2 conforms it: �2 Hereby know
ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:�
The Spirit has to �confess� and if he �confesses� that
would mean we have to listen to him. Now, let us go back to V.1 it says: �because many false prophets are gone
out into the world.�
Why �gone out into the world�?
Because, �into the world� you have to go and look! And what you have to
look for? It says: �Because many false
prophets are gone out.� The opposite of false prophet is what? True
Prophet!!!
John is saying, go out into the world and look
for a true prophet with the true spirit. And how do we know him? V.2 Every spirit
that confesseth that Jesus Christ is
come in the flesh is of God. The
prophet with the true spirit will have to confess that Jesus (s) come in flesh,
so the Comforter Jesus (S) spoke of is a �Prophet� to come, he was the Prophet
like Moses (S) prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:18.
In the New Testament times, we find
that the Jews were still expecting the fulfillment of the prophecy of 'one like Moses', refer John 1:19-25.
When Jesus (S) claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews, the Jews began to enquire
as to where was Elias? The Jews had a
parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first
in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:
"...Elias truly shall first come,
and restore all things. But I say unto you, that Elias is come already,
and they knew him not...then the disciples understood that he spake unto them
of John the Baptist."(Matthew
17:11-13)
According to the New Testament the
Jews were not the ones to swallow the words of any would-be Messiah. In their
investigations they underwent intense difficulties in order to find their true
Messiah. And this the Gospel of John confirms: "and this is the record of
john,"(the Baptist) "when the Jews sent priests and Levites from
Jerusalem to ask him, who art thou? And he confessed and denied not; but
confessed, I am not the Christ." (This was only natural because
there can't be two Messiahs at the same time. If Jesus was the Christ then John
couldn't be the Christ!) "and they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not." (Here John the Baptist contradicts Jesus! Jesus says
that John is "Elias" and John denies that he is what Jesus ascribes
him to be. One of the TWO (Jesus or John. God forbid!), is definitely not
speaking the TRUTH! On the testimony of Jesus himself, John the Baptist was the
greatest of the Israelite prophet: "verily I say unto you, among them that are born
of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist... (Matthew11: 11).
We Muslims know John the Baptist as
Hazrut YAHYAA Alai-his-salaam (peace be upon him). We revere him as a true
prophet of Allah. The Holy Prophet Jesus known to us as Hazrut ISAA
Alai-his-salaam (peace be upon him) is also esteemed as one of the mightiest
messenger of the Almighty. How can we Muslims impute lies to either of them? We
leave this problem between Jesus and John for the Christians to solve, for
their "sacred scriptures abound in discrepancies which they have been
glossing over as the "dark sayings of Jesus". We Muslims are really
interested in the last questions posed to John the Baptist by the Jewish elite-
"art
thou that prophet? and he answered,
no."(John 1:21)
Three Questions!
Please note that three different and distinct questions
were posed to John the Baptist and to which he gave three emphatic
"NO'S" as answers. To recapitulate: -
1) ART THOU THE
CHRIST?
2) ART THOU ELIAS?
3) ART THOU THAT
PROPHET?
But the learned men of Christendom
somehow only see two questions implied here. To make doubly clear that the
Jews definitely had T-H-R-E-E separate
prophecies in their minds when they were interrogating John the Baptist,
let us read the remonstrance of the Jews in the verses following: "AND
THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
b) NOR ELIAS,
c) NEITHER THAT
PROPHET?" (John 1:25)
The Jews were waiting for the
fulfillment of THREE distinct prophecies:
One, the coming of CHRIST; two,
the coming of ELIAS; and three,
the coming of THAT PROPHET.
As you can see, only two prophesies
was fulfilled: Elias, whom Jesus (S)
says, is John de Baptist and Jesus, (S) who is the Christ (�Messiah�, which word is
translated as �Christ�). They were still waiting for �That Prophet� the prophet
like Moses (S).
The Bible says: �He [Jesus (S)] came unto his own (Jews) and his own received him not.� (John.1:11)
The Jews rejected Jesus (S) and he
told them:
�Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the
stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This
is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous
in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you The
kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone
shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.�
(Matt. 21:42-44)
The stone Jesus (S) spoke of was a �message�. If you reject
Jesus (S) you automatically reject his �message� of the coming kingdom of God;
and that message which is the coming kingdom of God would be taken away from
the Jews and given to another nation, and it would bare fruits and be �marvelous in our eyes�, and no other
message would be able destroy it and where ever the message establish it will
prevail over all other message (man-made law). Sure Jesus (S) is not the stone because
he is not marvelous in our eyes.
The nation that fulfilled that is no other than Ishmaelite
Abraham�s (S) seeds; the God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son
Ishmael and make him a Great nation. It mentioned in Genesis 17: 20.
�And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful,
and multiply him exceedingly�and I
will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis
17:20)
That prophecy was fulfilled with the
arrival of Muhammad (S) who also fulfilled the Prophet like Moses (S) whom the
Jews were waiting for, and according to Jesus (S).
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Jesus (s) said:
��BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNOW THEM.� (Matt.7: 20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN
OUR EYES. (Matt. 21:42-44)
And they shall come from the
east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the
south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. (Luke 13:29)
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REVELATION 12,
THE UNIVERSAL
PROPHET AND THE COMING OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
As we know the book of revelation was a vision of prophesy to John but
it bear the name of Jesus (S), it
mentioned:
�The
Revelation of Jesus Christ, which
God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to
pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:� (Rev. 1:1)
In the verse above it stated that God Almighty gave Jesus (S) the
revelation and that would be in Heaven. However, there is no such record in
Islam that Jesus (S) received revelation in Heaven. It may be God Almighty
wants us to acknowledge this vision as a revelation sent to Jesus (S).
However, Jesus (S) always received revelation from God Almighty, it
mentioned in John 12:49:
�For
I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave
Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." (John 12:49)
That Book of revelation is a word of prophecy of things to come to pass
in the future:
Blessed
is he that readeth, and they that hear the �words
of this prophecy�, and keep
those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.� (Rev. 1:3);
God give unto him to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass�� (Rev. 1:1)
Chapter12 of the book of Revelation is a very interesting, it deals with
the coming of a �man child� who will
rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival then �Salvation and the
Kingdom of God� will come (And she brought forth a MAN
CHILD, who was to rule all nations
with a rod of iron�Now comes
Salvation and strength, and the kingdom
of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10.) This would be after the demise of Jesus (S). What makes it so
interesting is Allah (S) mentioned that He had sent Muhammad (S) as a universal
Messenger:
�We have not
sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know
not.� (Quran. 34:28).
However, Christian�s commentator claimed that this is a prophecy of
Jesus (S) I will examine it and see if Jesus (s) really fulfilled it or
Muhammad (s). In verse 1, 2 and 5 it mentioned:
�1And
there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A
WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head
a crown of twelve stars: 2And she
being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered�5And
she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who
was to rule all nations with a rod of
iron: and her child was caught up
unto God, and to his throne. (Rev. 12:1-5)
THE WOMAN
REPRESENTS THE CHURCH
First we have to find out who this woman is or what she represents?
According to some Christian�s Scholars the woman represents the �church� and
some says the woman represents the �Jewish�s nation� and the man child is Jesus
(S).
If we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and Rev.11 verse 4 both tied into
each other and it reflects the meaning of the �WOMAN� as the Church. It
mentioned:
�And
the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her
there a thousand two hundred and
threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)
�And
to the woman were given two wings�that she
might fly into the wilderness,
into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time,
from the face of the serpent. (Rev.
12:14)
And
I will give power unto my two witnesses,
And they shall prophesy a
thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These
are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God
of the earth. (Rev. 11:3-4)
The evidence that the woman represents the church is that the woman was
given �two wings� and fled into the wilderness for 1,260 days where the same
period also reflect in Rev. 11:4. Those �two wings� were describe as two
witnesses, the two olive trees and two candles stick; and the Candlesticks
represent churches:
��the
seven candlestick which thou sawest
are seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)
So, we can
conclude that the �woman� represents the �Church�! Also if we go
to Revelation 19 and read verse 7-9 we would recognize that the woman
represents the church. It mentioned:
�Let
us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she
should be arrayed in fine linen,
clean and white: for the fine linen is
the righteousness of the saint.� (Rev. 19:7-8)
The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came from �her and she� which is
referring to the �church� when the
church would have well established for the coming of the Messiah. So we can see
from that proof the �woman� represents the �Church� and not the Jewish�s
nation. Also, woman represents a �great city�:
�And
the woman which thou saws is that great city�� (Rev. 17:18).
Meaning the Church will also become a Great city. The reason why some Christian�s
commentator says the woman represent the Jewish�s nation is because in many
place in the Old Testament they (Jewish nation) were address as a woman; but
that is because the �church� was with them.
After establishing that, I will look at the �man child�, who he is. Is
this man child really Jesus (s) as was claimed by the Christian�s commentators?
Or is he the universal prophet that mentioned in the Qur�an?
In Revelation 12: 3 to 5 mentioned:
�And
there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns
upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars
of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the
woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it
was born 5And she brought forth a
MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was
caught up unto God, and to his throne.� (Rev. 12:3-5)
As I have established before the �woman� represents the �church�. That
would mean this man child was to come and establish the church universally
to all nations and the Devil will tried to kill him but would failed in the
attempt and he (the man child) would be caught up unto God.
Now, first
point:
If Rev.12 was about Jesus (S) present time in the past where Jesus
(S) was ascended to Heaven then that does not add up because Rev.12:5
mentioned:
�And
she brought forth man child, who was
to rule all nations with a rod of iron...�
Jesus (S) didn�t fulfill that; he did not even rule the Jews!
Second point:
If this man child is Jesus (S) and Christians believe he is God then it
doesn�t add up knowing they believe he died in flesh, they believe he is man
(flesh) and God (spirit). How did he caught up unto God? Which part went up the
man or God? The verse mentioned:
�MAN
CHILD� and HER CHILD was caught up unto God�.
It didn�t say God (the spirit) caught up unto God the Father! Simple
question will suffice for asking Christians, is Jesus (S) went up in Heaven as
a man or God? If he went up as a man then he is not God and if he went up as
God as they believe then he did not fulfilled that prophesy.
Third point:
The book of Revelation is a vision of prophesy
of future things to come:
The
Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God
gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass�� (Rev. 1:1)
So Rev. 12 is not about Jesus (S)! The reason for that is because it is a prophecy of future things Jesus (S)
was already in Heaven after the crucifixion according to Christians believes.
Fourth point:
In his second coming when he would have ascended to God�s Throne would
the Jewish�s nation fled into the wilderness or they would be his sheep and he
would be their King? It doesn�t add up. Why the woman (the Jewish�s nation as
some Christian�s commentators claimed) fled in to the wilderness for a thousand two hundred and threescore days
when all nee supposed to bow in his second coming? If in his second coming he
will ascend to God�s Throne why come when he is already on the throne?
And
the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a
thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)
Fifth point:
In his second coming according
to Revelation 19 he will not caught up unto God and the Jewish nation will not
fled into the wilderness. His second coming according to revelation
19:11, 19-21 he will come with his army
to expose all false religion, destroy the Devil (Beast) and his army and cast
them into the lake of fire, In Revelation 19:11. It mentioned:�he will wage war in righteousness� Is
there any such thing as righteous war or holy war? Is that Jihad against the
devil?
�And
I saw heaven open, and behold a white
horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true. And in
righteousness he doth judge
and make war. (Rev. 19:11)
�And
I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered
together to make war against him that
sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with
him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived
them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his
image. These both were cast alive
into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.� (Rev. 19: 19-21)
On the other hand Revelation 12:
3-5 mentioned:
�And
there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having
seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads the dragon stood
before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as
soon as it was born 5And she
brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God,
and to his throne�. (Rev.
12:3-5)
That man child is not a prophecy of Jesus (S)! We see clearly that Jesus
(S) did not fulfilled revelation 12. The Man child who was to rule all nations,
he is the universal Prophet who brought the universal book which mentioned in
Rev.10 and 14:6-7 which I have already explain in chapter 3, he was the one who
brought the universal book and he died and caught up unto God and to his
throne; he is not Jesus (S) as the Christian�s Scholars had claimed.
In fact Jesus (s) was sent to the lost tribes of the house of Israel.
It�s all in the writings, it�s mentioned as follows:
For
the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10)
He
said: �For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. (Matt. 18:11)
But
he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matt. 15:24)
These twelve
Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the
Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But
go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel� (Matthew 10:5-6)
�He
came unto his own, and his own received him not.� (John 1:11)
Quran conforms:
And Allah will
teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the
Children of Israel, (with this message)� (Quran. 3:48-49)
Jesus (s) mission to
the children of Israel was to fulfill
the laws for them and inform them of
the coming kingdom which is a new law to come, it is in Matthew 5:18-19 and
10:5:
He
said: �For verily I say unto you (Israelites), Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.�
"Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches
others to do so, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven..."(Matthew
5:18-19)
These twelve
Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles,
and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost
sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.�
(Matthew 10:5-6)
Quran conforms:
"'(I have
come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to
you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a
Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. (Quran 3:50)
And Allah will
teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the
Children of Israel, (with this message)� (Quran. 3:48-49)
The kingdom of heaven is the Kingdom of God and the time is at hand for
it arrival. Jesus told them:
�... saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God
is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel�. (Mark: 1:14)
It says: ��The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of
God is at hand: repent ye, and believe� Believe what? Believe the good news
of the kingdom of God is at hand. This is what Jesus (S) was preaching, it was
for you to �REPENT� and believe the �Good News� of the coming of God�s Kingdom
on earth and Revelation 12 later on put it in context.
And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations
with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation
and strength, and the kingdom of our God,
and power of his Christ� (Rev.
12:5-10).
A fuller explanation
is in chapter 3. This is just a brief reminder how the Kingdom of God would
come.
At the time of Jesus
(S) his disciples thought that the kingdom of God would come down from Heaven
and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:
And as they heard these
things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of
God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)
In Luke 17:20 he told
the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:
�And when he was demanded
of the Pharisees, when the kingdom
of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God
cometh not with observation:�
(Luke 17:20)
Then he told his
disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:
�Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The
kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of
mustard seed, which a man
took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it
is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of
the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32)
The �grain of mustard
seed� is a �message, the word of God to come� [Now the parable is this: The seed is the
word of God�. (Luke 8:11)], and
the �man� is the one who will deliver that message. It is mentioned in
Revelation14; and the coming of that �message� is the coming of God�s Kingdom
on earth
And no man hath ascended
up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is
IN HEAVEN (John 3:13).
Jesus (S) was the Son
of man and was �on the earth�; he then spoke of another Son of man
which is �IN HEAVEN�
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He was described as �another comforter� John 14; 16 who will guide
mankind into �all the truth� John 16:12-13, the disciples knew of him it
mentioned in 1John. 4. It mentioned:
�Beloved, believes not
every spirit, but tries the spirits whether they are of God because many false
prophets are gone out into the world.� (1John 4:1)
Simple explanation
will suffice. It says: �believe not every spirit�. How do we
�believe�? We cannot believe if we do not listen and heard the spirit, correct?
We have to listen and hear the spirit to believe. Now, the verse continues: �but try the
spirits whether they are of God.� How do we try the Spirit? By
questioning him, and that is not my opinion, V.2 conforms it: �2 Hereby know
ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:�
The Spirit has to �confess� and if he �confesses� that
would mean we have to listen to him. Now, let us go back to V.1 it says: �because many false prophets are gone
out into the world. Why �gone
out into the world�? Because, �into the world� you have to go and look!
And what you have to look for? It says: �Because many false
prophets are gone out.� The opposite of false prophet is what? True
Prophet!!!
Muhammad (S) is the
one who fulfilled revelation 12, He is the one who brought the universal
message to Govern all mankind. It mentioned in the Quran:
�We have not sent thee but as a universal
Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know not.� (Qur. 34:28).
And
she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who
was to rule all nations with a rod of
iron�Now comes Salvation and
strength, and the kingdom of our God�
(Rev. 12:5-10)
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The Crown of twelve stars represents the twelve prince of the Ishmaelite:
�1And
there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A
WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head
a crown of twelve stars:
as
for Ishmael�twelve prince shall he beget; I will make him a great nation. (Gen.
17:20)
Now, let�s look again at revelation 12:5-10 it mentioned:
And
she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was
to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now
comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom
of our God, and power of his Christ��
(Rev. 12:5-10).
Important to note:
�SALVATION!� Salvation is not by blood because it comes after the demise
of Jesus (S), so, this verse is a contradiction in Revelation 12:11 �And they
overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,� (Rev 12:11)
It also mentioned: �Now come�the power of Christ�
Note: It says �power of
Christ�. And not Christ! In the book of Habakkuk it mentioned who will bring
salvation. I quote:
��And
the Holy One from Mount Paran.
Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. He
stood and measured the earth�he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting�at the light of
thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst
tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation
for the anointed� (Habakkuk. 3:3-13(KJV)
None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran.
Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who
afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran.
�And
he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran� (Genesis 21:21)
It is the Holy One from Mt. Paran will bring �Salvation�; and Muhammad
(S) is the descendant of Ishmael. See how all the message fall in context?
Jesus (s) also told the Jews the Kingdom of God would be taken away from them.
�Jesus
said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders
reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings,
and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore
say I unto you The kingdom of God shall
taken from you (The Jews), and given
to a nation bringing forth the fruits
thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but
whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44)
The stone Jesus (S) spoke of was a �message�. If you reject Jesus (S)
you automatically reject his �message� of the coming kingdom of God; and that
message which is the coming kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews
and given to another nation, and it would bare fruits and be �MARVELOUS IN OUR
EYES�, and no other message would be able destroy it and where ever the message
establish it will prevail over all other message (man-made law). Sure Jesus (S)
is not the stone because he is not marvelous in our eyes; the nation that
fulfilled that is no other than Ishmaelite Abraham�s (S) seeds, the God of
Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation, it
mentioned in Genesis 17: 20.
�And
as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed
him, and will make him fruitful,
and multiply him exceedingly�and I
will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis
17:20)
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It mentioned in Luke: And they shall
come from the east, and from the west, and from the north,
and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29)
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Jesus said: ��BY THE FRUIT
YE SHALL KNEW THEM.� (Matt. 7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES.
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The power of his Christ
Note: It says �power of Christ�. What is the Power of Christ? This would have mean Jesus (S), correct? But
it is not. I have already established it is not him. How do we explain that?
The Verse didn�t say the man child is Christ; it says, the �Power� of
Christ and not Christ:
�And
she (the
woman which is the church) brought forth
a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was
caught up unto God, and to his throne�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the
kingdom of our God, and power of his
Christ� (Rev. 12:10).
What is his power? It is the arrival of the Kingdom of God and Kingdom
of God is also the �rod of iron� it was prophesied by Jesus (S).
This is the power of Christ, He said:
�And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall
broken�� (Matt. 21:44)
As I have explained Matthew 21:42-43 that the stone represent the
message which is the kingdom of God and it would be taken away from the Jews
and given to another nation and that message will bear fruit and be marvelous
in our eyes. So, when it mentioned, �whosoever shall fall on this stone shall
broken�� That would mean
no other message would be able to destroy it (the final message/ the Kingdom of
God). That is the Power of Christ!
He will rule
all nations with the rod of iron
What is the rod of iron? The rod of iron is also the kingdom of God,
which is the final message. He will rule them with the final message, the
Kingdom of God. The verse continues:
��Whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him
to powder� (Matt. 21:44)
That is the rod of iron! In other words, the message
will prevail over all other messages, that is the establishment of the true
message of Jesus Christ (s) the kingdom of God on earth, Islam. Allah (s) said:
�It is He (God
Almighty) who has sent His Messenger [Muhamed (S)] with guidance and the
religion of truth (Islam) that He may
make it prevail over all religions and enough is Allah for a witness.� (Quran 48:28)
You see that? It shows how the Christian�s commentators does twist the
scriptures to fit Jesus (s). I will briefly touch on the last couple of verses,
verse 15 o 17 of rev. 12.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth
water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of
the flood. (Rev. 12:15)
Water represent �people� Rev. 17:15
And
he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are
peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (Rev.17:15)
That would mean, the Crusaders which is known today as Zionist Crusader
send out their missionaries to convert the people of the church. But verse 16
tells us what happen when they did that.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the
earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of
his mouth. (Rev. 12:16)
How the earth help the woman which is the church? It
is the wealth (oil) of the earth caught their attention and they go after that
so they cannot make war with the church that great city because they want the
wealth (oil for printed papers).
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments
of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev. 12:17)
And the crusader became angry because they cannot make
war directly with the church that great city in the wilderness [And
to the woman were given two wings�that she might
fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a
time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev.
12:14)]. So they went
after her the remnant of her seed (e.g. Iraq, Afghanistan,
Somalia, etc.) and make war, which keep the commandments of God, the universal
message, the kingdom of God and true teaching of Jesus Christ.
The explanations I have put forward here make Muhammad
(S) fit revelation 12 like a glove. I have established that the �woman�
mentioned in revelation 12 is the Church and the church is with the Muslims,
and the man child who was to rule all nation is the universal prophet and he is
no other than Muhammad (S) and I establish that Jesus (S) did not fulfilled
that prophecy. One of the main points is the coming of the Kingdom of God
that Jesus (S) preaches, He said: �I
must preach kingdom of God to the other cities also, BECAUSE FOR THIS PURPOSE I
HAVE BEEN SENT" Luke 4:43 NKIV. And
I have established that the Kingdom of God is a message and when that man child
who was to rule all nations would have come then the kingdom of God and
Salvation would come.
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THE RED DRAGON
If Muhammad (S) fulfilled revelation 12 then who or what is this �Red
dragon�?
�And
there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having
seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars
of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the
woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it
was born 5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations
with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.�
(Rev. 12:3-5)
The great red dragon represents the Pagan Empire; the seven head
represent Seven Empire each with a king. The enemy of the church at that time
is the Sixth Empire and it was mentioned in Rev. 17:10.
And
there are seven kings: five
are fallen, and one is,
and the other is not yet
come (Rev. 17:10)
At the time of this prophesies in Rev. 17:10 five Empire has fallen and one exists (The Pagan Empire) at the time of this prophecy
and the other (Modern day
Pagan Empire) was yet to come. The Pagans wage war against the Roman
Christians (people of the Book at that time) and defeated them, then the
Roman�s Christian (the people of the Book at that time) under Heracles defeated
the Persian Empire in March 628. After which the Romans reject the Message of
the Qur�an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness and
then there were overpower by Islam in 638 (Rapid expansion of Islam). Islam
took Heracles by surprise 565�717. They then became the seventh Empire (British
empire).
Allah revealed to Muhammad (S)
�The
Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and
Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to
nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only
with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the
defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (i.e.
Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the
Persians).� (N.Q. 30:2-4)
The woman which is the church that Great City fled into the wilderness and that is Paran
(Arabia) Gen. 21:21, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they Pilgrims should feed her there a
thousand two hundred and threescore days.
And
the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a
thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)
That is 1260 years according to the scripture each day represent a year;
and that is the same period Islam rule the world. It mentioned:
"After
the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each
day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye
shall know my breach of promise." (Numbers 14:34)
The woman were given two wings is the church (Islam) �split in two� and
fled into the wilderness of Paran and the serpent is the great red dragon which
represents the crusaders. Now, we have two
wings (Sunney and Shia) of the one church (Islam) and it was describe as
�two witness� in Revelation 11:3-4. Both fled into the wilderness the same
period 1260 yrs.
�And
to the woman were
given two wings�that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a
time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14;)
And
I will give power unto my two witnesses,
And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in
sackcloth. These are the two olive
trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev.
11:3-4);
�the seven candlestick which thou sawest are
seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)
And
the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a
thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)
Two groups of from the same church:
Abu Hurayrah
said, �The Prophet (S) said, �The Hour will not come until the following events
have come to pass: two large
groups will fight one another, and there will be many casualties; they will both be following the same religious
teaching� Knowledge
will disappear, earthquake will increase, time will pass quickly, affliction
will appear, and Harj (i.e. killing) will increase. Wealth will increase�People
will compete in constructing high building�the sun will rise from the west;
When it rises and people see it, the will believe, but, �no good will it do a
soul to believe then, if he believed not before nor earned righteousness
through its faith��(al-An am 6:158;
Bukhari, kitab al-Fitan,9/74)
The Dragon is the false church and is one the
same source with the Beast; both have seven heads and ten horns and the false
church will carry the beast 666.
�And
there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns
upon his heads. (Rev. 12:3)
I
saw a woman sit upon a scarlet
coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (Rev. 17:3)
And
the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
(Rev. 17:11)
At the time of this prophesies in Rev. 17:10 five Empire has fallen and one exists (The Pagan Empire) at the time of this prophecy
and the other (Modern day
Pagan Empire) is yet to come which is the seventh Empire (the British Empire)
and from the seventh will come the eight, it will appears in the fourth corner
of the earth. It was prophesy in Rev. 6:7-8:
And
when he had open the forth seal�a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was
Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth
part of the earth (New world: the west), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and
with death, and with the beasts of the earth. (Rev. 6:7-8)
The Global Freemasonry which is under the banner �Crusaders� led by Pope Urban II in 1095, he
manage to mobilize France England Germany and Italy to persecute the woman, the
church that great city. Who are they today? They Rothschild Zionism (AIPAC) who
set up this man made world system.
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 08 February 2015 at 9:11pm
The explanations I have put forward here make Muhammad
(S) fit revelation 12 like a glove. I have established that the �woman�
mentioned in revelation 12 is the Church and the church is with the Muslims,
and the man child who was to rule all nation is the universal prophet and he is
no other than Muhammad (S) and I establish that Jesus (S) did not fulfilled
that prophecy. One of the main points is the coming of the Kingdom of God
that Jesus (S) preaches, He said: �I must preach kingdom of God to the other
cities also, BECAUSE FOR THIS PURPOSE I HAVE BEEN SENT" Luke 4:43 NKIV. And I
have established that the Kingdom of God is a message and when that man child
who was to rule all nations would have come then the kingdom of God and
Salvation would come.
Allah (s) said:
�
�Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath
revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath
revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture
in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in
safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their
vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee�� (Q.
5:47-48)
�
�There is among
them a section who distort the Book
with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, �That is from Allah,� But it is not from Allah: it is they
who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Q. 3:78)
�
O People of the Book! There hath come to you our
Messenger, revealing to you much that
you used to hide in your Book,
and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from
Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Q. 5:15)
�
�So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed (S) and the
message he brought]. (Q. 3:50)
�
Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most
right. (Q. 17:9)
�
Say: �O People of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for
no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that comes to
us and that which came before (us)�?� (Q. 5:59)
�
Your companion is neither astray nor mislead, of (his
own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him: he was taught by
one Mighty in Power. (Q. 53:2-5)
�
�And nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt
thou find those who say, We are
Christians Because among these are men
devoted to learning and who have renounced the world, and they are not
arrogant. (Q. 5:82)
Allah
(S) instructs us:
�
�Invite (all)
to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them
in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have
strayed from His path, and who receive guidance.� (Q. 16:125)
�
And whoever contradicts and apposes the Messenger
[Muhammad (pbuh)] after the right path has been shown clearly to him. And
follows other others than the believers� way, We shall keep him in the path he
has chosen, and burn him in hell � what an evil destination! (N.Q. 4:115)
�
Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods
with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sin than this: one who join
other gods with Allah, hath strayed far, far away (from the right) (Q .4:116)
�
And those who are
firmly grounded with knowledge say: �We believe in it (the Qur�an); the whole of it
(clear and unclear verses) are from our Lord:� and none will grasp the message except men of understanding. (Q.
3:7)
�
The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His
Will)�But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
(Q.3:19)
�
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam
(submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter
he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Q. 3:85)
�
�And say to the People of the Book��Do ye (also)
submit yourselves?� If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn
back, thy duty is to convey the Message;
and in Allah�s sight are (all) His servants. (Q. 3:20)
�
Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book
is a portion that stand (for the right)�they rehearse the Sign of Allah all
night long� (Q. 3:113)
Narrated Abu Burdah�s father: Allah�s Messenger (S)
said, ��if any man of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians)
believes in his own Prophet and then believes in me [Muhamed (pbuh)] too, he
will (also) get a double reward� [Sahih Al Bukari, 7/5083 (O.P.20)]
�
The day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come,
no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then, if it believed not before
nor earned righteousness through its Faith. (Q. 6:158)
Narrated Abu Hurairah �: Allah�s Messenger (pbuh)
said, �The Hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west; and
when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the surface of the
earth, will have faith, and that is (the time) when no good will it do to a
person to believe then, if he believed not before.� [Sahih Al-Bukhari, 6/4635
(O.P.159)]
�
Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against
their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He
is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Q .39:53-54)
�
"Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to
His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped.
(Q. 39:054)
Allah
(S) said:
�
�Had We sent down this Qur'�n on a mountain, you would surely have seen
it humbling itself and rending asunder by the fear of All�h. Such are the parables which We put forward
to mankind that they may reflect. (Q. 59:21)
�
( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah61.html - ) - 6. And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of
Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of All�h
unto you confirming the Taur�t [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving
glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed . But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they
said: "This is plain magic."
�
7. And who does more
wrong than the one who invents a lie against All�h while he is being invited
to Isl�m? And All�h guides not the people who are, Z�lim�n (polytheists,
wrong-doers and disbelievers) folk.
�
8. They intend to
put out the Light of All�h (i.e. the religion of Isl�m, this Qur'�n, and
Prophet Muhammad ) with their mouths.
But All�h will complete His Light even
though the disbelievers hate (it).
�
9. He it is Who has
sent His Messenger (Muhammad ) with guidance and the religion of truth
(Isl�mic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrik�n
(polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of All�h and
in His Messenger Muhammed ) hate (it).�
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 17 February 2015 at 2:07am
If Adam was a muslim from the the beginning then there was no need to send Muhammad , If Adam was a muslim then his whole family should have been muslims why didn't he wrote a Quran if he was a muslim then Islam didn't last long what happened to that muslims in his time there were no records of any muslims in his time so go and through your conspicious lies on the moon and stop using the bible for your blasphemous prophecies about Muhammad.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 18 February 2015 at 8:19am
The power of His Christ that mean God's Christ which in fact is Christ or do you ASSUME that Muhammad has came through the the power of Christ that is a false analogy about Muhammad so how can Muhammad be send by the power of Christ when he Rejected Christ divinity and said He was a mere Prophet second to Muhammad.
The stone that builders rejected was Jesus your assumption is that you think it was Muhammad is totally wrong.
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 10 March 2015 at 10:56pm
Peace maker wrote:
The power of His Christ that mean God's Christ which in fact is Christ or do you ASSUME that Muhammad has came through the the power of Christ that is a false analogy about Muhammad so how can Muhammad be send by the power of Christ when he Rejected Christ divinity and said He was a mere Prophet second to Muhammad.
The stone that builders rejected was Jesus your assumption is that you think it was Muhammad is totally wrong. | It seems to me you didn't read it in context. read it again.
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 10 March 2015 at 11:02pm
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REVELATION 10: COMFORTER SHALL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL
TRUTH
This Chapter
deals with when the other book that was yet to come and when it would have
come, then all the truth will reveal. The book of revelation, in Chapter 10 and
14 deals with that. I have already explained both in chapter 2 and 3 but in
this chapter I will elaborate a little more.
Remember Jesus (s) message was to inform his followers
of the prophet who will come after him with all the truth; this is what
he [Jesus (S)] said:
�I have yet many things to say unto you,
but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit
when he, the Spirit of Truth, is
come, he will guide you into all truth:
for he shall not speak of himself; but what he hears.� (John. 16:12-13)
�All the truth� will come with the arrival of the Comforter. Here in
the Book of Revelation chapter 10 mentioned the coming of another Book which
John did not wrote and . It is mentioned:
�And I saw another mighty angel come
down from heaven. 2-And he had in
his hand a little book open: and he
set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth. 3-And cried with a loud voice, as when
a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice. 4-And
when the seven thunders had uttered
their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from haven saying
unto, seal up those things which the
seven thunder utters, and write them
not.� (Rev. 10:1-4)
�
Point (1) Another Mighty Angel: Jesus
(S) is not another mighty angel; it is Gabriel (s) the messenger of Allah
who brought the message to and from Allah.
�
Point (2) He had in his hand a
little book open: V.2 and he had in his hand a little book open:
�
Point (3) Seventh thunders uttered
their voice (something was revealing): V.3...and
cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven
thunders uttered their voice.
�
Point 4:
John was about to write what was
revealing: V.4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write:
�
Point 5:
He was told to seal up the message and write them not: V.4�and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those
things which the seven thunders utters, and write them not. (Rev.10:4)
The angel
brought the little book and John was order �not
to write down the message in that book,� because the time was not right. �So it is not the bible,� because the
bible is a �written book� and it
(the bible) is telling us about �another
book.� Which book is that?
Further as you read in Verse 7 it says:
�But in the days of the voice of the
seventh angel, when he shall begin to
sound: the mystery of God should
finish as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev. 10:7)
In the days when this little book shall reveal all the
mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed). The book was never
written according to the voice from Heaven: �seal up those things�and write
them not.�
�Begin to sound� mean �revealing.� In the days when
this little book shall reveal �all the
mystery� (That is �all the truth�) of God will finish (revealed, no more
mystery) as he declared to his servants the prophets.
And this is what Jesus (S) said:
�I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth,
is come, he will guide you into all
truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but what he hears.� (John
16:12-13)
Therefore, the Spirit of Truth, which is the
Comforter, the Prophet with a Spirit of truth (1John 4:1), would have to bring
this little book, which contains all the
truth. In 10:4 it says: �John was about to write�� So when
this Book will reveal �some one�
will have to be there to �write the
message down.� Allah has revealed to Muhammad (S):
��And We have sent down to thee (O
Muhammad) the book (the Qur�an) explaining all
things, a guide, a mercy, and Glad Tiding to Muslims.� (Quran 16:89)
�This Qur'an is not such as can be
produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller
explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the
worlds.� (Quran 10:37)
This day have I perfected your religion
for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
(Quran 5:3)
Do not mistake this Book for the one that mentioned in
Rev. 5:1 �� A
Book written within and on the back side, sealed with seven seals.�
That Book is already written and every time a seal open a certain event takes
place. Example:
�
�when the lamb opened one of the
seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given
unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. (Rev. 6:1-2)
That
is the advent of Muhammad (S) it is also in Habakkuk 3:3-16.
��And the Holy One from Mount
Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his
praise�When he cometh up unto the people, he
will invade them with his troops.� (Habk. 3:3-16)
Who
is the Holy One from Mt. Param? The descendant of Ishmael�s:
�And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran�
(Genesis 21:21)
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advent of the Zionist Crusaders (Brackets added):
�
And when he had open the forth seal�a
pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the west), to
kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the
earth. (Rev. 6:7-8)
On the other hand, the book that mentioned in Rev.
10:2-4, John was about to write and he heard a voice from heaven saying, �Seal
up those thing�and write them not.� So when this Book will reveal someone
will have to be there to write it down. In verse 10 the angel told John to
eat the book:
10-And I (John) took the little book out of the angel�s hand, and eat it up; and it
was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was
bitter. (Rev. 10:10)
We know that John did not eat the book, he read the
book and the truth was sweet but practicing the law was bitter.
11-And he said unto me,
Thou must prophesy again before many people, and nations, and
tongues, and kings. (Rev. 10:11)
Why prophesy again? Because he had already went, so he
has to go back again to inform them about the coming of the universal book
that he did not wrote.
Allah (S) mentioned:
�We have not sent thee but as a (universal
messenger) to all mankind�but most of mankind knew not�. (Quran 34: 28)
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Date Posted: 10 March 2015 at 11:07pm
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REVELATION 14: COMING OF THE UNIVERSAL BOOK
It is mentioned in the bible Rev.14: 6-7:
�And I saw
another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell
on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.
Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of
his judgment is come.� (Rev. 14:6-7)
Note: The word �gospel� is Good News�; in other words,
an angel was bringing the �everlasting Good News� from heaven. The everlasting
Good News was yet to come. Jesus (S) gospel (Good News) was to inform us of the
coming of this everlasting Good News for all nations which he described as the
coming of God�s Kingdom of earth, which is another message to come. He could
not be the �another angel� with everlasting Good News. The everlasting
Good News is also the little book that
mentioned in Revelation 10:1-11 another
angel with a little book which John did not wrote but is yet to come and
the coming of it is clearly stated in Revelation 14:7
��another angel fly in the midst of haven,
having the everlasting Good News�� (Rev. 14:7)
It says in verse 7:
�Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the
hour of his judgment is come!�
Not the Day of Judgment, because the angel was
bringing what? The �everlasting Good
News to preach, it was a judgment to preach� and that was the Criterion:
the standard way of judgment between right and wrong. In other words, coming of
the everlasting Good News then Judgment will come.
This is what mentioned in the Qur�an:
�Blessed is He who sent down the
Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be
an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1)
�Thus have We revealed it
(the Qur�an) to be a judgment of
authority in Arabic� (Quran 13: 37)
Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for
guidance and Judgment (Between right
and wrong). (Quran 2:185)
�This Qur'an is not such as can be
produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller
explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the
worlds.� (Quran. 10:37)
Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has
brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who
believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Quran 16:102)
A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic,
for people who understand-Giving Good
News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not.
(Quran 41:3-4)
Without doubt it is (announced) in the
reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Quran 26:196)
And this is a book which We have sent
down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it.
(Quran 6:92)
�it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q. 12:104)
�so fear
Allah and obey me. (Quran 3:50)
ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of
Islam. (Quran 3:102)
And glorify
Him morning and evening. (Quran 33:42)
What Revelation 14-7 says? It says:
�Fear God
and Give Glory to him; for the hour
of his judgment is come!�
Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: the standard
way of judgment between right and wrong.
And Jesus (S) said:
�And when he (the Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin, and righteous, and judgment.� (John 16:8)
Adding
further, when Judgment comes the Comforter will used it to reprove the world
(Gentiles) and the Comforter has to be a �person/God�s
Servant� according to Isaiah 42:1-4
�Behold my
servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put
my Spirit upon him: he shall bring
forth judgment to the Gentile.� 3-A
bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He
shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW.�
(Isaiah 42:1-4)
For the LAW was given by Moses� (John 1:17)
Moses
(S) was a lawgiver and here the Comforter is a new lawgiver!
After
the coming of the universal Rev. 14:12
say:
��here are they that keep the commandment
of God, and the faith of Jesus�� (Rev. 14:12)
That conforms that the �Everlasting Good News� is the commandment
of God, the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong), and the true
teaching of Jesus (S), which is his faith.
Also in verse 13 after that book the everlasting Good
News which is the universal commandment of God would have come and all those
who follow it and died after, they will be blessing for their labor and work
and they will be judge by it.
�Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord henceforth yea,
said the Spirit, that they may rest from
their labor; and their work do fallow them. (Rev.
14:13)
�and the dead were judged out of
the things which were written in the book, according to their works. (Rev.
20:12)
�and they were judged every man according
to their works. (Rev.20:13)
This is what Allah (S) said:
�Think not of those who are slain in Allah�s way as dead. Nay, they
live, finding there sustenance in their Lord�The (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they
(cause to) grieve.� (Quran 3:169-170)
�Whoever goes aright, for his own soul
does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go
astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We
chastise until We raise a messenger� (Quran, 17:15),
�On the day when every soul will be
confronted with all the good it has done, and all the evil it has
done, it will wish there were a great distance between it and its evil. But
Allah cautions you {to remember} Himself.� (Quran 3:30)
To my Christian�s brothers and sisters, Allah (S) has
given you the noble call to save you from eternal damnation, He (S) said:
�O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We
have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you�� (Quran 4: 47)
�Truth
has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature)
bound to perish. (Quran 17:81)
And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is). Quran 2:42)
THEN
HE (S) WARNS:
�Those who conceal
the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be
Allah's curse, and the curse of
those entitled to curse,� (Quran 2:159)
Those who conceal
Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, -
they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on
the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty.
(Quran 2:174)
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ISAIAH 29: THE PROPHET THAT RECEIVES THE SEAL BOOK
Isaiah tells
us in Ch. 29:11-19 who received that �sealed Book� that mentioned in Rev.
10:2-4? �A
little Book open�SEAL up those things�and write them not.�
In Isaiah 29, God Almighty was revealing to Isaiah a
prophecy of the future tense, he said: �add ye year to year�. Verse 1 to 7 was about a vision of two sets of people, one will be
destroyed and one will be save; and Verse 8 to 21 mentioned of a book that is seal and it would be
delivered to someone who does not know how to read and at that junction the God
of the Israelite would close the eyes of their Prophets, ruler and seers [For the
LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your
eyes: the prophets, and your rulers, the seers. hath he covered.�
(Isaiah 29:10 KJV)]; and
remove the wisdom of the wise man by created a world system that would be
�marvelous in your eyes� [Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even
a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.� (Isaiah 29:14)]; and He God Almighty mentioned in verse 18: �And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book,
and the eyes of the blind shall
see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
Also In Isaiah.28 which ties into Isaiah 29, God
Almighty tells us how evil the Jews and their leaders will be: �But they (Jews)
also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the
priest and the prophet are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way
through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all
tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom
shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that
are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.� (Isaiah. 28:7-9). That will happen in the future with yet another
prophesy of the coming of Muhammad (S), He (S) was describes as �Mighty Strong
One� in Isaiah. 28:2.
Isaiah 29
It begins as follows:
1Woe to Ariel, to
Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill
sacrifices.
God
Almighty is talking about the city where David (S) dwelt that is in Jerusalem
in future tense (add ye years to years), Jerusalem will be unto God
Almighty as Ariel and He described what
will happen to Ariel:
2Yet I will distress
Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as
Ariel.
3And I will camp against thee
round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will
raise forts against thee.
4And thou shalt be
brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be
low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a
familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of
the dust. (Isaiah 29:1-4)
All
those �thou and thee� supposed to referring to the �Jews� but the verse
mentioned:
�5Moreover the multitude of thy strangers
shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall
be at an instant suddenly.� (Isaiah
29:5)
There
God Almighty is talking about two sets of people in Jerusalem One will
be like dust and the other will be as chaff passeth away; that is
the multitude of thy strangers and
the multitude of the terrible ones.
Who are the strangers and who are the terrible ones? Only one set of people
were to be save (the strangers) who are they? God Almighty shall bring his
wrath on the �multitude of the terrible ones�:
6Thou shalt be
visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest,
and the flame of devouring fire. (Isaiah 29:6)
I�ve
repeat verse 5 to put the destruction in context:
Then ��the multitude of thy strangers
shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly. V5
In
other words, God Almighty will destroy the �multitude of the terrible ones� with
flames of devouring fire, earthquake and storm; they will be as chaff that passed
away in an instant suddenly and on the other hand, �thy strangers� will
remain there being like small dust.
Who are the terrible ones and who are thy
strangers? Let us find out.
It
mentioned in verse7
�And the multitude of all
the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and
her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a
night vision.� V.7
If
all nations will fight against Ariel then who is Ariel or what is
Ariel? It says in verse1-2
�Woe to Ariel, to Ariel,
the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices. 2Yet
I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall
be unto me as Ariel. V.1-2
God
Almighty is talking about the city where David (S) dwelt that is in Jerusalem,
it will be unto God Almighty as Ariel and God Almighty call Ariel �Her�
in Verse 7: �7And
the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even
all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her��
�Her� would have to be �thy stranger� and �Her� also
refers to the �church� in the future tense. According to some
Christian�s Scholars �woman� represents church and some says �woman� represents
the Jewish�s nation and they were always addressed as �her�. Why in the
Old Testament they were addresses as �her� was because the Church was with
them. However, the woman represents the �church� and not the �Jewish
nation!� I have already given a full explained in chapter 3.
Again if we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and Rev.11
verse 4 both tied into each other and it reflects the meaning of the �WOMAN� as
the Church. It mentioned:
�And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared
of God, that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)
�And to the woman were given two wings�that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the
face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14)
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth. These are the two
olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
(Rev. 11:3-4)
The evidence that the woman represents the church is
that the woman was given �two wings� and fled into the wilderness for 1,260
days where the same period also reflect in Rev. 11:4. Those �two wings� are the
two witnesses, the two olive trees and two candles stick; and the Candlesticks
represent churches:
��the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)
So, we can conclude that the �woman� represents the
�Church�. Also if we go to Revelation 19 and read verse 7-9 we would recognize
that the woman represents the church. It mentioned:
�Let us be glad and rejoice, and give
honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb
is come, and his wife hath made
herself ready. And to her was
granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the
saint.� (Rev. 19:7-8)
The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came
from �her and she� which is referring to the �church� when the church would have well established for the coming
of the Messiah. So we can see from that proof the �woman� represents the
�Church� and not the Jewish�s nation.
Now,
the �multitude of the terrible ones� was described as �all
Nations� who would be fight against the �church in the future� then God
Almighty will destroy them with flames of devouring fire, earthquake and storm;
when the destruction will come upon them verse 7- 8 mentioned the state in
which they will be in:
�And the multitude of all
the nations that fight against Ariel� shall be as a dream of a night
vision. 8It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth,
and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a
thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he
is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the
nations be, that fight against mount Zion.� V. 7-8
You
see it mentioned mount Zion that would be new mount Zion. This whole night
vision would become a book that is seal, and it would be then given to an
illiterate person and the church will be with his followers who will be like
strangers in Jerusalem in the future. When all nations would fight against them
suddenly the final destruction will come upon them.
V6Thou shalt be
visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great
noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
And
the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is
SEALED, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray
thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed. Isaiah.29: 11 (KJV)
12And
the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray
thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Isaiah
29:12 KJV)
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And
the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is
SEALED, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray
thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed. Isaiah.29: 11 (KJV)
12And
the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray
thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Isaiah
29:12 KJV)
What is
important to note here is the Devil recognize that Muhammad (s) fulfilled that
prophecy so they (Devils) move in and retranslates it to change the meaning;
the change �and� to �or if� to make it look as if it is a suggestion in the NIV
translation, let�s check out it reads:
11 For
you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give
the scroll to someone who can read, and say, �Read this, please,� they will
answer, �I can�t; it is sealed.� 12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say,
�Read this, please,� they will answer, �I don�t know how to read.�
Clip from Blue Letter Bible Lexicon,
Isaiah 29 12 KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=29&t=KJV#s=t_conc_708012 -
History recorded that Muhammad (s) used to go
up mountain cave, called Ghar-Hera, in Arabia (Mt. Paran) to meditate. While he
was there an angel, later identified as Gabriel, commanded him saying: �read� and he respond by saying: �I am not learned,� the angel repeat
the act three times, then Muhammad (S) began to repeat the command of the angel
which became the first five verse of surah 96, Al-Alaq, of the Qur�an.
Read: In the name of thy
Lord who created. Created man from a clot. Read: and thy Lord is the Most
Bounteous, Who taught by the pen, Taught man which he knew not. (Quran 96:1-5)
Allah conform
it in the Quran:
Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures),
In the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Quran 7:157).
Torah: Isaiah29:12 and Gospel: John
16:13 ��for he shall not speak of
himself; but whatsoever he shall hear� [from angel Gabriel (S)].
And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to
recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it
with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have
doubted. (Quran 29:48)
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own)
desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by
one mighty in power. (Quran 53:3-5)
Just to elaborate, I would explain two points:
1)
Isaiah is having a vision of a book that is seal.
2)
When that seal book
is given to someone who is
learned they would not understand
it.
The Quran is a book that is seal. To
understand it we have to use the explanation of Muhammad�s (S) which is His�
sunnah, Example: Quran tells us to pray but it does not explain how to performs
it, we have to seek the explanation of The Prophet (S) that we call the sunnah.
The sunnah is also a revelation from Allah (S) a brief explanation will
suffice.
Allah
(S) mentioned in the Qur�an:
Had not the Grace of All�h and His Mercy been upon you (O
Muhammad), a party of them would certainly have made a decision to mislead you,
but (in fact) they mislead none except their own selves, and no harm can they
do to you in the least. All�h has sent
down to you the Book (The Qur'�n),
and AlHikmah (Isl�mic
laws, knowledge of legal and illegal things i.e. the Prophet's Sunnah - legal ways), and taught you that which you
knew not. And Ever Great is the Grace of All�h unto you (O Muhammad). (Quran.
11:3)
Just
to look at two points in that verse: Allah (S) has sent down two things the book and AlHikmah
(wisdom) and He taught Muhammad (S) what he didn�t Knew before. Commenting
on this verse Imam ash-Shaafi'ee's said:
"Allah has mentioned that 'the
book' (Al-Kitaab) which is the Quran and he mentioned 'The wisdom' (al- Hikmah)
and I have learnt from the people of knowledgr that 'al- hikmah' is
the Sunnah of Allah's Messenger (S)�."
Allah
tells us in the Quran 16:64
�And we have revealed the Book (al-kitaab) unto thee only that
thou mayst explain unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a
guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.� (Quran 16:64)
Exactly
as Isaiah prophesy! Without the explanations (The Sunnah) �the one learned� would not understand it; and the book was given
to an illiterate prophet saying: �Read� and he would have to reply: �I am not
learned�. Exactly, that is what happened to Muhammad (S) according history.
3) "AND" the book is given to someone who is not learned.
4) And he would say: "I am not learned."
That
seal book is the same one that mentioned in Revelation chapter 10 which I have
already explained in chapter 3, 4 and 5, which John did not wrote but is yet to come.
Why God Almighty sends the seal book with
an unlettered Prophet? Isaiah (S) tells us:
�Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as
this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
but have remove their heart far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by
the precept of men. (Isaiah 29:13).
Because of what the Jews were doing the God of Isaiah closed your eyes of the Jewish prophets,
and their rulers.
�For the LORD hath poured out upon
you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets,
and your rulers, the seers. hath he covered.� (Isaiah 29:10 KJV)
Remember God Almighty was talking to Isaiah and he
addressing the Jews there for the follow the law of men instead of the law of
God Almighty and they honor Him with their lips and not their heart so He
closes prophet hood with them. It was also mentioned in Islam:
Adee ibn Haatim
said: I heard Allah�s Messenger (pubh) recite: They (Jews and the Christian)
took their Rabbis and their Monks to be their Lords beside Allah. (Q. 9:31)
So I said, �O
Messenger of Allah, they did not worship them,� so He (pbuh) said, �Verily if
they {Rabbis and Monks} made something permissible for them, then they made it
permissible and if they made something forbidden to them, they made it
forbidden- that is their worship of them.� [Reported by at-Tirmidhee(5/278)]
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Jesus (s) also conform Isaiah 29:13 in Matthew 15
15 Then came to Jesus scribes and
Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why
do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not
their hands when they eat bread.
3 But
he answered and said unto them, Why do
ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? (Matt. 15:1-3)
Their tradition is their man-made
law, their opinions.
4 For
God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth
father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say,
Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever
thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And
honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the
commandment of God of none effect by
your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy
of you, saying,
8 This
people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips;
but their heart is far from me.
9 But
in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matt.
15:4-9)
Luke added in 7: 13:
13 Making the word of God
of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such
like things do ye. (Luke 7:13)
Matthew 15 continue:
10 And
he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not
that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of
the mouth, this defileth a man. (Matt. 15:10-11)
In other words, eating without
washing of the hand is not from the word of God so doing it does not defiled
you; and Jesus (s) said, it has to root out, not to be obeyed in verse 13:
12 Then
came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were
offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But
he answered and said, Every plant, which
my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. (Matt. 15:12-13)
He then continued:
14 Let
them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the
blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15 Then
answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16 And
Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? (Matt. 15:14-16)
Even the disciples did not
understand. Verse 17 clearly conforming that Jesus (S) was talking about
��washing of the hands� before eating of food is their own tradition and not
the word of God.
17 Do
not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into
the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But
those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they
defile the man.
19 For
out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts,
false witness, blasphemies:
20 These
are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth
not a man. (Matt. 15:17-20)
Why unwashed hand defiled not a man? Because it is not
of the law it is their opinion, their traditions: �3 But
he answered and said unto them, Why do
ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?� �13 But he answered and said,
Every plant, which my heavenly Father
hath not planted, shall be rooted up. In other words, their tradition is not from God or the
word of God and it should not be obeye.
Same story mentioned in Mark 7:7-9
7 Howbeit
in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For
laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing
of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And
he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may
keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:7-9)
Note: I want to make one important point; Christians
are using this passage to give them license to eat Pork and other unclean meat
the law forbidden. Jesus (s) never give the green light to eat unclean meat in
the passage, he give them green light to eat with unwashed hand because it is
not from the law; eating of pork in against the law of God: 8 �And the swine, because it divideth the
hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is
unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead
carcase�. (Deut.14:8).When you eat unclean thing its
defile the body so that the Devil can indwell it; the Holy Spirit (Ruh) does
not come upon anyone whose body is defile.
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After said that this is what the God Almighty
said he will do when he would have sent that seal book:
�Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do
a marvelous work among this people,
even a marvelous work and wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall
perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.� (Isaiah
29:14)
Then He passes judgment on the Jews, who follow
man-made law, [and
their fear towards me is taught by the precept
of men. (Isaiah. 29:13)]. He said:
�Woe unto them that seek deep to hide
their counsel from the Lord, and their work are in darkness, and they say, who
Seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things up-side down shall
be esteemed as the putter�s clay�� (V.15-16)
The Jews stop seeking God�s help and following all his
law in totally, their leadership no longer sanctioned by God, they are in total
darkness thinking God Almighty is not seeing them so they start changing the
law of God with their own man-made law turning things up-side down but every
law they change will be none effect. He God Almighty then informs them in
the day when that seal book would have come the deaf will understand and the
blind shall see, in other words who are blind they will recognize the truth and
only the unjust will reject the truth.
And in that day shall the deaf hear the word of the book, and the eyes
of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness. The
meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and they among men shall
rejoice in the Holy one of Israel. (Isaiah 29:18-19)
It mentioned there:
�And in that day�. Which day? That is the day when that seal book would
have delivered to the illiterate prophet then shall the deaf hear the word of
the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of
darkness and the meek shall increase their joy in the Lord.
Notice in verse 19 it mentioned there: �they among
men shall rejoice in the Holy one of
Israel� How suddenly the O.T arrived with the �Holy One
of Israel� where as in Verse 10 the God of the O.T. has poured out a spirit of deep sleep and
closed the eye of the Prophets of the Jews? It is a contradiction! �For the LORD
hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed
your eyes: the prophets, and
your rulers, the seers. hath he covered� (Isaiah 29:10
KJV). The prophet-hood end there for the Jews. No
illiterate Jewish prophets ever fulfill this prophecy until this day! That�s a
concoction!
He Allah (S)
mentioned in the Qur�an when He said:
�O Children of Israel! Call to mind the
(special) favors which I bestowed upon you, and I preferred you to all others
(of your time period, in the past). (Quran 2:47)
BUT HE ALLAH (S) SAID, THE JEWS
�in that they broke the Covenant;
that they reject the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance
of right�Allah hath set the seal on
their hearts for their blasphemy�That they REJECTED FAITH.� (Quran
4:155-156)
And this book came after Jesus (S), so it was
given to the Comforter. Coming of that book the kingdom of God will be taken
away from the Jews.
THE KINGDOM OF GOD SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE JEWS.
Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye
never read in the scriptures, the stone which
the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the
Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in
our eyes. (Matt.21:42)
And whosoever shall fall on this stone
shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.
21:44)
What is marvelous in our eyes? It is the message, it
would be given to another nation and it will bear fruit and be marvelous in our
eyes. If you reject Jesus (S)
you reject his message, and the
stone �represent his message� Sure,
Jesus (S) is not �marvelous in our eyes,�
and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so
ever the message goes it will prevail. What Isaiah said? Let�s see how it falls
in context with Isaiah 20: 14:
�Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do
a marvelous work among this people,
even a marvelous work and wonder: for
the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their
prudent men shall be hid.�(Isaiah 29: 14)
Jesus (S) said:
�Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of
God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits
thereof.� (Matt. 21:43)
That nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham�s (S)
seeds. The God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him
a Great nation:
�And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION.� (Genesis 17:20)
That prophecy fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad
(S) who is a descendant of Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It isn�t true
Muhammad (S) message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in
our eyes? Look at Mecca, the largest congregation on the face of the earth
bringing people of all races and colour, the rich and the poor standing
side-by-side shoulder-to-shoulder worshiping the one true God Allah (S)?
Isaiah
42 tells us that the Kedarites who is the descendants of Ishmael [13 And these
are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their
generations� Kedar�(Genesis 25:13)] was in darkness and God Almighty
will bring them from darkness to light.
Let the wilderness and the cities
thereof lift up their voice, the village
that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock, let them shout
from the top of the mountains. (Isaiah. 42:11)
�And I will bring the blind by a way
that they knew not; I will lead them in the path that they have not known: I
will make darkness light before
them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them (Kedarites: Ishmaelite), and
not forsake them.� (Isaiah 42:16)
God Almighty did not forget the Ishmaelite he
brings them out of darkness into light, he lead them into a path they knew not
with the advent of Muhammad (S).
The sealing of the book and
the opening of the seal book
In the book of Daniel the
God of the Isreal seal the understanding of all the messages in the scriptures
on till the end time then he will reveal all the truth. This is what the God
Almighty says:
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the
words are closed up and sealed till the
time of the end. (Daniel 12:9)
But thou, O Daniel, s*****p the words,
and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and
fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
(Daniel 12:4)
Many shall be purified, and made white,
and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. (Daniel 12:10)
Coming of that �seal
book� that mentioned in Revelation 10 is the �key� to unlock all the scriptures at the end time:
�But
in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall �begin to sound:�
the �mystery of God should finish� as he declared to his servants the
prophets.� (Rev. 10:7)
In the days when this little book shall reveal
�all the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed).� The book was
never written according to John: �seal up those things�and write them not.�
All the truth with the coming of the Qur�an:
�� And We have sent down to you the Book
(the Qur'an) as an exposition of
everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have
submitted themselves (to All�h as Muslims)�. (Qur�an 16:89)
Allah the almighty reminds the people who call themselves
Christian of their forgetfulness:
�From those, too, who called
themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of
the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between
the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them
what it is they have done. (Quran 5:14)
This is what they have forgotten:
�And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son
of Maryam (Mary), said: �O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of All�h unto
you confirming the Taur�t [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad
tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.� But
when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: �This
is plain magic.�� (Qur�an 61:6-9)
Then He Allah (S) said:
�O People of the Book! There hath come
to you our Messenger, revealing to you
much that you used to hide in your
Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to
you from Allah a light [Muhammad (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Quran 5:15)
�So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhammad
(S) and the message he brought]. (Quran 3:50)
Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that
which is most right. (Quran 17:9)
Br. Zainool
------------- LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!
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Posted By: shamstar
Date Posted: 24 March 2015 at 4:48pm
Allahu Akbar. Not since the Council of Nicea 325 have Christians been silenced like this. Back then they were rounded up and killed if they dared disagree with Constantine's assertion Jesus (ra) was Divine.
Brother, Jazak Allah Khair for a fine thread.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 31 March 2015 at 9:21am
truthnowcome wrote:
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REVELATION 14: COMING OF THE UNIVERSAL BOOK
It is mentioned in the bible Rev.14: 6-7:
�And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.� (Rev. 14:6-7)
Note: The word �gospel� is Good News�; in other words, an angel was bringing the �everlasting Good News� from heaven. The everlasting Good News was yet to come. Jesus (S) gospel (Good News) was to inform us of the coming of this everlasting Good News for all nations which he described as the coming of God�s Kingdom of earth, which is another message to come. He could not be the �another angel� with everlasting Good News. The everlasting Good News is also the little book that mentioned in Revelation 10:1-11 another angel with a little book which John did not wrote but is yet to come and the coming of it is clearly stated in Revelation 14:7
��another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting Good News�� (Rev. 14:7)
It says in verse 7:
�Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!�
Not the Day of Judgment, because the angel was bringing what? The �everlasting Good News to preach, it was a judgment to preach� and that was the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong. In other words, coming of the everlasting Good News then Judgment will come.
This is what mentioned in the Qur�an:
�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1)
�Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Quran 13: 37)
Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Quran 2:185)
�This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.� (Quran. 10:37)
Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Quran 16:102)
A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Quran 41:3-4)
Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Quran 26:196)
And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Quran 6:92)
�it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q. 12:104)
�so fear Allah and obey me. (Quran 3:50)
ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Quran 3:102)
And glorify Him morning and evening. (Quran 33:42)
What Revelation 14-7 says? It says:
�Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!�
Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong.
And Jesus (S) said:
�And when he (the Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin, and righteous, and judgment.� (John 16:8)
Adding further, when Judgment comes the Comforter will used it to reprove the world (Gentiles) and the Comforter has to be a �person/God�s Servant� according to Isaiah 42:1-4
�Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.� 3-A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW.� (Isaiah 42:1-4)
For the LAW was given by Moses� (John 1:17)
Moses (S) was a lawgiver and here the Comforter is a new lawgiver!
After the coming of the universal Rev. 14:12 say:
��here are they that keep the commandment of God, and the faith of Jesus�� (Rev. 14:12)
That conforms that the �Everlasting Good News� is the commandment of God, the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong), and the true teaching of Jesus (S), which is his faith.
Also in verse 13 after that book the everlasting Good News which is the universal commandment of God would have come and all those who follow it and died after, they will be blessing for their labor and work and they will be judge by it.
�Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord henceforth yea, said the Spirit, that they may rest from their labor; and their work do fallow them. (Rev. 14:13)
�and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the book, according to their works. (Rev. 20:12)
�and they were judged every man according to their works. (Rev.20:13)
This is what Allah (S) said:
�Think not of those who are slain in Allah�s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding there sustenance in their Lord�The (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.� (Quran 3:169-170)
�Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger� (Quran, 17:15),
�On the day when every soul will be confronted with all the good it has done, and all the evil it has done, it will wish there were a great distance between it and its evil. But Allah cautions you {to remember} Himself.� (Quran 3:30)
To my Christian�s brothers and sisters, Allah (S) has given you the noble call to save you from eternal damnation, He (S) said:
�O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you�� (Quran 4: 47)
�Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Quran 17:81)
And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is). Quran 2:42)
THEN HE (S) WARNS:
�Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,� (Quran 2:159)
Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, - they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (Quran 2:174) Br. Zainool
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Zainoo read the whole chapter not just 2 verses to make up your own validations and predictions there were more than one angel.
Those faithful to Christ celebrate the praises of God. (1-5) Three angels; one proclaiming the everlasting gospel; another, the downfal of Babylon; and a third, the dreadful wrath of God on the worshippers of the beast. The blessedness of those who die in the Lord. (6-13) A vision of Christ with a sickle, and of a harvest ripe for cutting down. (14-16) The emblem of a vintage fully ripe, trodden in the wine-press of God's wrath. (17-20)
Mount Sion is the gospel church. Christ is with his church, and in the midst of her in all her troubles, therefore she is not consumed. His presence secures perseverance. His people appear honourably. They have the name of God written in their foreheads; they make a bold and open profession of their faith in God and Christ, and this is followed by suitable actings. There were persons in the darkest times, who ventured and laid down their lives for the worship and truth of the gospel of Christ. They kept themselves clean from the wicked abominations of the followers of antichrist. Their hearts were right with God; and they were freely pardoned in Christ; he is glorified in them, and they in him. May it be our prayer, our endeavour, our ambition, to be found in this honourable company. Those who are really sanctified and justified are meant here, for no hypocrite, however plausible, can be accounted to be without fault before God.
The gospel is the great means whereby men are brought to fear God, and to give glory to him. The preaching of the everlasting gospel shakes the foundations of antichrist in the world, and hastens its downfal. If any persist in being subject to the beast, and in promoting his cause, they must expect to be for ever miserable in soul and body. The believer is to venture or suffer any thing in obeying the commandments of God, and professing the faith of Jesus. May God bestow this patience upon us. Observe the description of those that are and shall be blessed: such as die in the Lord; die in the cause of Christ, in a state of union with Christ; such as are found in Christ when death comes. They rest from all sin, temptation, sorrow, and persecution; for there the wicked cease from troubling, there the weary are at rest. Their works follow them: do not go before as their title, or purchase, but follow them as proofs of their having lived and died in the Lord: the remembrance of them will be pleasant, and the reward far above all their services and sufferings. This is made sure by the testimony of the Spirit, witnessing with their spirits, and the written word.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 01 April 2015 at 3:56am
truthnowcome wrote:
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REVELATION 14: COMING OF THE UNIVERSAL BOOK
It is mentioned in the bible Rev.14: 6-7:
�And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.� (Rev. 14:6-7)
Note: The word �gospel� is Good News�; in other words, an angel was bringing the �everlasting Good News� from heaven. The everlasting Good News was yet to come. Jesus (S) gospel (Good News) was to inform us of the coming of this everlasting Good News for all nations which he described as the coming of God�s Kingdom of earth, which is another message to come. He could not be the �another angel� with everlasting Good News. The everlasting Good News is also the little book that mentioned in Revelation 10:1-11 another angel with a little book which John did not wrote but is yet to come and the coming of it is clearly stated in Revelation 14:7
��another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting Good News�� (Rev. 14:7)
It says in verse 7:
�Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!�
Not the Day of Judgment, because the angel was bringing what? The �everlasting Good News to preach, it was a judgment to preach� and that was the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong. In other words, coming of the everlasting Good News then Judgment will come.
This is what mentioned in the Qur�an:
�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1)
�Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Quran 13: 37)
Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Quran 2:185)
�This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.� (Quran. 10:37)
Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Quran 16:102)
A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Quran 41:3-4)
Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Quran 26:196)
And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Quran 6:92)
�it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q. 12:104)
�so fear Allah and obey me. (Quran 3:50)
ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Quran 3:102)
And glorify Him morning and evening. (Quran 33:42)
What Revelation 14-7 says? It says:
�Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!�
Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong.
And Jesus (S) said:
�And when he (the Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin, and righteous, and judgment.� (John 16:8)
Adding further, when Judgment comes the Comforter will used it to reprove the world (Gentiles) and the Comforter has to be a �person/God�s Servant� according to Isaiah 42:1-4
�Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.� 3-A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW.� (Isaiah 42:1-4)
For the LAW was given by Moses� (John 1:17)
Moses (S) was a lawgiver and here the Comforter is a new lawgiver!
After the coming of the universal Rev. 14:12 say:
��here are they that keep the commandment of God, and the faith of Jesus�� (Rev. 14:12)
That conforms that the �Everlasting Good News� is the commandment of God, the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong), and the true teaching of Jesus (S), which is his faith.
Also in verse 13 after that book the everlasting Good News which is the universal commandment of God would have come and all those who follow it and died after, they will be blessing for their labor and work and they will be judge by it.
�Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord henceforth yea, said the Spirit, that they may rest from their labor; and their work do fallow them. (Rev. 14:13)
�and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the book, according to their works. (Rev. 20:12)
�and they were judged every man according to their works. (Rev.20:13)
This is what Allah (S) said:
�Think not of those who are slain in Allah�s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding there sustenance in their Lord�The (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.� (Quran 3:169-170)
�Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger� (Quran, 17:15),
�On the day when every soul will be confronted with all the good it has done, and all the evil it has done, it will wish there were a great distance between it and its evil. But Allah cautions you {to remember} Himself.� (Quran 3:30)
To my Christian�s brothers and sisters, Allah (S) has given you the noble call to save you from eternal damnation, He (S) said:
�O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you�� (Quran 4: 47)
�Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Quran 17:81)
And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is). Quran 2:42)
THEN HE (S) WARNS:
�Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,� (Quran 2:159)
Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, - they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (Quran 2:174) Br. Zainool
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Zainoo the Quran states that its been send down in the month of Ramadhan.
Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Quran 2:185)
As far as I am concernend the pagans practice Ramadhan long before the muslims Muhammad just copied the muslim rituals from the pagans.
Fasting for the 9th month of the Islamic lunar calendar actually predates Islam by centuries. Before the Hijrah, Arab pagans had been observing Ramadan as a holy month of venerating their Moon god, Sin or Hubal.
The sighting of the crescent Moon heralded thirty days of fasting from sunrise to sunset. When the next crescent Moon was sighted, the fast was broken with a feast called al-Fitr. The breaking of the fast was also commemorated through animal sacrifice and giving alms to the poor
Ramadan is declared when the crescent of a new moon is sighted, commencing thirty days of fasting from sunrise to sundown, and concluding with a feast called Eid-al-Fitr.
But there�s more. It turns out that the pagans also prayed five times a day toward the Kaaba. And before they prayed, they performed ritual washing or ablution
And most curiously, the pagans also had a common saying that was the central tenet of many of their faiths: �There is no god but God.�
For the unfamiliar, the first pillar of Islam is identical to this mantra with one slight revision: �There is no god but God; and Mohammad is his last messenger.� And of course, it�s well known that Muslims are required to pray five times daily after performing ritual washing.
So if the ritual of Ramadan was originally conceived to honor the deity of the Moon, why were these practices not destroyed like the idols in the Kaaba?
Muslims Can't Gain the Favor of God by Practicing Religious Ceremonies Such as Ramadan.
Ramadan is not true fasting, because the participants still eat their meals during the night. Since the ritual allows them to eat while it is dark, they simply eat a large meal in the late evening and wake up early in the morning for another big meal. In other words, they simply change the time of their meals from daylight to darkness.
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 April 2015 at 8:47pm
Peace maker wrote:
Zainoo read the whole chapter not just 2 verses to make up your own validations and predictions there were more than one angel.
Those faithful to Christ celebrate the praises of God. (1-5) Three angels; one proclaiming the everlasting gospel; another, the downfal of Babylon; and a third, the dreadful wrath of God on the worshippers of the beast. The blessedness of those who die in the Lord. (6-13) A vision of Christ with a sickle, and of a harvest ripe for cutting down. (14-16) The emblem of a vintage fully ripe, trodden in the wine-press of God's wrath. (17-20)
Mount Sion is the gospel church. Christ is with his church, and in the midst of her in all her troubles, therefore she is not consumed. His presence secures perseverance. His people appear honourably. They have the name of God written in their foreheads; they make a bold and open profession of their faith in God and Christ, and this is followed by suitable actings. There were persons in the darkest times, who ventured and laid down their lives for the worship and truth of the gospel of Christ. They kept themselves clean from the wicked abominations of the followers of antichrist. Their hearts were right with God; and they were freely pardoned in Christ; he is glorified in them, and they in him. May it be our prayer, our endeavour, our ambition, to be found in this honourable company. Those who are really sanctified and justified are meant here, for no hypocrite, however plausible, can be accounted to be without fault before God.
The gospel is the great means whereby men are brought to fear God, and to give glory to him. The preaching of the everlasting gospel shakes the foundations of antichrist in the world, and hastens its downfal. If any persist in being subject to the beast, and in promoting his cause, they must expect to be for ever miserable in soul and body. The believer is to venture or suffer any thing in obeying the commandments of God, and professing the faith of Jesus. May God bestow this patience upon us. Observe the description of those that are and shall be blessed: such as die in the Lord; die in the cause of Christ, in a state of union with Christ; such as are found in Christ when death comes. They rest from all sin, temptation, sorrow, and persecution; for there the wicked cease from troubling, there the weary are at rest. Their works follow them: do not go before as their title, or purchase, but follow them as proofs of their having lived and died in the Lord: the remembrance of them will be pleasant, and the reward far above all their services and sufferings. This is made sure by the testimony of the Spirit, witnessing with their spirits, and the written word. |
Peace maker, I have read the entire chapter but I have just posted that portion in context of what was the Messiah (S) core message which is the "coming of the Good News of the Kingdom of God...another message to come"...that was also mentioned by the FIRST ANGEL Rev. 14: 6-7.
Jesus (S) said: �After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,Hallowed be thy name.10Thy KINGDOM COME, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.� (Matthew 6:9-10) Jesus (S) preached when the Kingdom of God would have come then "THE WILL OF GOD WILL BE DONE ON EARTH...in others words "SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF GOD WILL BE DONE ON EARTH OR I should say ISLAM would be done on earth.
He said: �I must preach KINGDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent" (Luke 4:43 NKJV) He was sent to preach the coming of Qur'an (The Kingdom of God).
WHAT IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HOW IT WILL COME? His disciples thought that the kingdom of God will come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11: And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11) In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation: �And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+17:20&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - ) Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32: �Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32) The �grain of mustard seed� is a message; and the �man� is the one who will delivered that message; it mentioned in Revelation 12 and 14; and the coming of that message is the coming of God�s Kingdom on earth. In the book of Revelation Chapter12 it mentioned the coming of a �man child� who would have rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival �then� Salvation and the Kingdom of God will come, God�s Law (his will) shall establish on earth Meaning, the message will be a universal one. Revelation 14 conforms that �. And in Luke 21 he told them to look for the sign for it coming, it was yet to come. �And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev.12:5-10.)� That would be after the demise of Jesus (S)
Revelation 14:6-7 it mentioned: �And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - ) That is the future tense! The book of Revelation Ch. 14: 6-7 which is a part of the Collection of books (The Bible), which is already here; it�s mentioned of an �angel coming from heaven� with the everlasting gospel for all nations. The same Greek word �Euaggelizo� which translates as Gospel which is the Good News, it mentioned also in revelation 14. The NWT got correct translation: 6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: �FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.� (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT) Note: This everlasting good news was coming from Heaving, an angel was bringing it from Heaven, and it was describe as a �Judgment� to �preach� to all nations. That Judgment was the criterion between rights and wrong, that Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth (all nations).What Jesus (S) said? He said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be don on earth!� The Judgment mentioned there was the law it is in Isaiah 42 and John 16:8 it mentioned: �Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile�4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:1-4) �And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� (John.16:8) It says: �till he has set judgment in the earth and the isles shall wait for His LAW�. As we can see the everlasting Good News for all nations is the Judgment to the Gentiles, which is God�s everlasting law on earth. Allah (S) has described the Qur�an as the �Criterion of judgment between right and wrong�, in fact he name Sura 25 (Chapter 25) Al-Furcon (The Criterion) and this is what he said in verse 1: �Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1) A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4) What revelation says? It says: 6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people�because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived....� (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT) Allah (S) says: �Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Q.13:37) Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur�an 2:185) �it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104) Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)�This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and afuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.� (Qur.10:37) Allah (S) says: �Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196) And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92) There is no doubt about it, when we go and look into the revelation of former people it is there in Revelation 14:6-7. Look we have more conformation. It mentioned in the Qur�an: - �so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50); ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102)
- And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42)
- Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13:37)
What Revelation 14-7 says? It says: �Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!� Allah (S) said: �A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 April 2015 at 9:49pm
Peace maker wrote:
Zainoo read the whole chapter not just 2 verses to make up your own validations and predictions there were more than one angel.
Those faithful to Christ celebrate the praises of God. (1-5) Three angels; one proclaiming the everlasting gospel; another, the downfal of Babylon; and a third, the dreadful wrath of God on the worshippers of the beast. The blessedness of those who die in the Lord. (6-13) A vision of Christ with a sickle, and of a harvest ripe for cutting down. (14-16) The emblem of a vintage fully ripe, trodden in the wine-press of God's wrath. (17-20)
Mount Sion is the gospel church. Christ is with his church, and in the midst of her in all her troubles, therefore she is not consumed. His presence secures perseverance. His people appear honourably. They have the name of God written in their foreheads; they make a bold and open profession of their faith in God and Christ, and this is followed by suitable actings. There were persons in the darkest times, who ventured and laid down their lives for the worship and truth of the gospel of Christ. They kept themselves clean from the wicked abominations of the followers of antichrist. Their hearts were right with God; and they were freely pardoned in Christ; he is glorified in them, and they in him. May it be our prayer, our endeavour, our ambition, to be found in this honourable company. Those who are really sanctified and justified are meant here, for no hypocrite, however plausible, can be accounted to be without fault before God.
The gospel is the great means whereby men are brought to fear God, and to give glory to him. The preaching of the everlasting gospel shakes the foundations of antichrist in the world, and hastens its downfal. If any persist in being subject to the beast, and in promoting his cause, they must expect to be for ever miserable in soul and body. The believer is to venture or suffer any thing in obeying the commandments of God, and professing the faith of Jesus. May God bestow this patience upon us. Observe the description of those that are and shall be blessed: such as die in the Lord; die in the cause of Christ, in a state of union with Christ; such as are found in Christ when death comes. They rest from all sin, temptation, sorrow, and persecution; for there the wicked cease from troubling, there the weary are at rest. Their works follow them: do not go before as their title, or purchase, but follow them as proofs of their having lived and died in the Lord: the remembrance of them will be pleasant, and the reward far above all their services and sufferings. This is made sure by the testimony of the Spirit, witnessing with their spirits, and the written word. |
The second angel: The fall of Babylon:
The angel said: �And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountain, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; but when he cometh, he must continue a short space.� (Rev.17:9-10) The seven head are seven Great City and five kings, five has fallen and one exist (the Pagan Empire) at the time when this prophecy was revealed (In the year 96) and the other is yet to come (Modern day Pagan Empire).
The Pagans wage war against the Romans Christians (people of the Book)
and defeat them, then Allah revealed to Muhammad (S) Q.30:2-4.The
Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and
Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within
three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these
event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the
Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on
that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by
Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4) The Third Angel:
In Rev.17:1-4 it stated: �1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (And he saith unto me, the waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Rev.17:15) 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:� She is one that is married and has been false to her husband�s bed. In other words, the �church� is carrying the scripture but �false� to the true teaching of God and many nations will follow it; and she will be protected by a scarlet coloured beast full of blasphemy who will blaspheme and lies against the name of the Most High Allah (S); she would full of filthiness, fornication and adultery and she was described as: �MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.�(Rev.17:5) And the angel said: �And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountain, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; but when he cometh, he must continue a short space.� (Rev.17:9-10) The seven head are seven Great City and five kings, five has fallen and one exist (the Pagan Empire) at the time when this prophecy was revealed (In the year 96) and the other is yet to come (Modern day Pagan Empire). The Pagans wage war against the Romans Christians (people of the Book) and defeat them, then Allah revealed to Muhammad (S) Q.30:2-4. The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4) Then the Roman Christian (the people of the Book) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_against_Heraclius - which means, the Roman and the Persian became one. After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur�an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness, and then there were consume by Islam in 638 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_century - ). Islam took Heracles by surprise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople - .After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims, there emerges a �new� Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade - [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - as the eight king (Modern day Pagan�s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation. Rev.17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. They were describe as a PALE HORSE in revelation 6:7-8: And when he had open the forth seal�a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the �forth part� of the earth(New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Rev. 6:7-8 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)
The Father of Lies:
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They final destruction will begin when the anti Christ appears, he was described as a man of lawlessness, and he will exalt himself above God and sit in the temple of God, meaning, being Head of the false church. It mentioned in 2Thess.2:3-4 "3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - - 2 Thess2:3-4 KJV) �I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 April 2015 at 11:06pm
Peace maker wrote:
Zainoo read the whole chapter not just 2 verses to make up your own validations and predictions there were more than one angel.
A vision of Christ with a sickle, and of a harvest ripe for cutting down. (14-16) The emblem of a vintage fully ripe, trodden in the wine-press of God's wrath. (17-20)
Mount Sion is the gospel church. Christ is with his church, and in the midst of her in all her troubles, therefore she is not consumed. His presence secures perseverance. His people appear honourably. They have the name of God written in their foreheads; |
There is no such thing as "GOSPEL CHURCH"! Don't invent foolishness and bring to me!
The name of God written on the forehead is the mark Muslims have on their forehead from prostrations.
The harvesting and Using the O.T. and N.T. to explain the Kingdom of God Salvation for the anointed: The second coming of the
Messiah (S) to establish what the Holy one of Mt. Paran brought (The Kingdom of
God). �And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. (Habakkuk 3:3) The name �Muhammad� mean �the praise one� he is the Se-lah. None
of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran.
Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba,
who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: �And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2021:21&version=9 - ). The
only one who claimed to have come from the descendant of Ishmael (S) is
Muhammad (S), he is the Holy one from Mt. Paran and the Holy One from
Mount Paran he came with the war cry to destroy and devour at once, he
shall prevail against his enemies just as Isaiah 42 mentioned above.
Also, he shall bring Salvation and his message is universal: Habakkuk 3:11-13 mentioned: ��at
the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy
glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest
forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the ANOINTED; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:11-14&version=9 - )
Salvation for the anointed: The second coming of the
Messiah (S) to establish what the Holt one of Mt. Paran brought (The Kingdom of
God).
He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting. (Habk. 3:6) Measured the earth: Meaning: His message is for the whole earth (universal message) and His way are everlasting. Qur�an conforms: �We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to ALL mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against sin), but most of mankind knows not.� (Q. 34:28) Matthew13:47-52 � 47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: � 48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. � 49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, � 50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. � 51Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. � 52then said he unto them, therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. �His treasure (knowledge)� using the old message (O.T. and N.T.) to make clear the new message (everlasting good news) the Qur�an! That was also mentioned in Isaiah 42: 9. behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do i declare: before they spring forth i tell you. (Isaiah 42:9)
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Trodden down of the wine press of God's wrath:
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9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
It mentioned "the Marriage supper of the lamb"; and that ties
into verse 7
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give
honour to him: for the marriage
of the Lamb is
come, and his
wife hath made herself ready.
8 And
to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white:
for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
To understand that, you have to first know what is "his wife that made herself ready".
The wife there is the "church" when it is already established with
the "word of God (Rev.14:6-7)" and the fine linen is the "righteousness
of saints"
Then verse 9 says:
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
That would mean, the saints was call unto the 'the
marriage supper of the Lamb".
Now the one on the white horse
will judge and make war in righteousness:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white
horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in
righteousness he doth judge and make war.
In verse 14 the saints were in heaven on white horses:
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white
horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Remember, the Saints is who made the church ready in Verse 8:
8 And to her was granted that she should be
arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness
of saints.
What the "white horse" represents? It represents modern day
"Plane". How I concluded that is because it ties into the "the marriage supper of the Lamb".
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
And in verse 17 John described it as "fowls
that fly in the midst of heaven", that is, when John saw it
from a distance towards the sun it look like "fowls"
flying in mid of heaven (mid air) gathering themselves for the supper of the Great God:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun;
and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto
the supper
of the great God:
What is the supper of God? The
supper of God is war from mid air with Plane, both the Lamb and the saints will
kill all these people from mid heaven (Mid Air) at the unification of the
Church in Verse 9 and 17-18.
18 That
ye may eat the
flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the
flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both
free and bond, both small and great.
That is what your Holy book call
�WAR IN RIGHOUSSNESS OR HOLY WAY� separating the �WHEAT from the CHAFF�
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a
white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth
judge and make war.
It was describe as the �wrath of Almighty God�:
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,
that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a
rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the
fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
What is the �rod of Iron�? The rod of Iron is the
�word of God�. He will rule them with the �word of God� The kingdom of God.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 03 April 2015 at 7:01pm
truthnowcome wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Zainoo read the whole chapter not just 2 verses to make up your own validations and predictions there were more than one angel.
Those faithful to Christ celebrate the praises of God. (1-5) Three angels; one proclaiming the everlasting gospel; another, the downfal of Babylon; and a third, the dreadful wrath of God on the worshippers of the beast. The blessedness of those who die in the Lord. (6-13) A vision of Christ with a sickle, and of a harvest ripe for cutting down. (14-16) The emblem of a vintage fully ripe, trodden in the wine-press of God's wrath. (17-20)
Mount Sion is the gospel church. Christ is with his church, and in the midst of her in all her troubles, therefore she is not consumed. His presence secures perseverance. His people appear honourably. They have the name of God written in their foreheads; they make a bold and open profession of their faith in God and Christ, and this is followed by suitable actings. There were persons in the darkest times, who ventured and laid down their lives for the worship and truth of the gospel of Christ. They kept themselves clean from the wicked abominations of the followers of antichrist. Their hearts were right with God; and they were freely pardoned in Christ; he is glorified in them, and they in him. May it be our prayer, our endeavour, our ambition, to be found in this honourable company. Those who are really sanctified and justified are meant here, for no hypocrite, however plausible, can be accounted to be without fault before God.
The gospel is the great means whereby men are brought to fear God, and to give glory to him. The preaching of the everlasting gospel shakes the foundations of antichrist in the world, and hastens its downfal. If any persist in being subject to the beast, and in promoting his cause, they must expect to be for ever miserable in soul and body. The believer is to venture or suffer any thing in obeying the commandments of God, and professing the faith of Jesus. May God bestow this patience upon us. Observe the description of those that are and shall be blessed: such as die in the Lord; die in the cause of Christ, in a state of union with Christ; such as are found in Christ when death comes. They rest from all sin, temptation, sorrow, and persecution; for there the wicked cease from troubling, there the weary are at rest. Their works follow them: do not go before as their title, or purchase, but follow them as proofs of their having lived and died in the Lord: the remembrance of them will be pleasant, and the reward far above all their services and sufferings. This is made sure by the testimony of the Spirit, witnessing with their spirits, and the written word. |
The second angel: The fall of Babylon:
The angel said:
�And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountain, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; but when he cometh, he must continue a short space.� (Rev.17:9-10) The seven head are seven Great City and five kings, five has fallen and one exist (the Pagan Empire) at the time when this prophecy was revealed (In the year 96) and the other is yet to come (Modern day Pagan Empire). The Pagans wage war against the Romans Christians (people of the Book) and defeat them, then Allah revealed to Muhammad (S) Q.30:2-4.
The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4) The Third Angel:
In Rev.17:1-4 it stated:
�1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (And he saith unto me, the waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Rev.17:15)
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:�
She is one that is married and has been false to her husband�s bed. In other words, the �church� is carrying the scripture but �false� to the true teaching of God and many nations will follow it; and she will be protected by a scarlet coloured beast full of blasphemy who will blaspheme and lies against the name of the Most High Allah (S); she would full of filthiness, fornication and adultery and she was described as:
�MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.�(Rev.17:5)
And the angel said:
�And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountain, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; but when he cometh, he must continue a short space.� (Rev.17:9-10)
The seven head are seven Great City and five kings, five has fallen and one exist (the Pagan Empire) at the time when this prophecy was revealed (In the year 96) and the other is yet to come (Modern day Pagan Empire). The Pagans wage war against the Romans Christians (people of the Book) and defeat them, then Allah revealed to Muhammad (S) Q.30:2-4.
The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)
Then the Roman Christian (the people of the Book) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_against_Heraclius - which means, the Roman and the Persian became one. After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur�an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness, and then there were consume by Islam in 638 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_century - ). Islam took Heracles by surprise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople - .After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims, there emerges a �new� Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade - [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - as the eight king (Modern day Pagan�s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation. Rev.17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
They were describe as a PALE HORSE in revelation 6:7-8:
And when he had open the forth seal�a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the �forth part� of the earth(New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Rev. 6:7-8
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)
The Father of Lies: <>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8McepdJGtEk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8McepdJGtEk
They final destruction will begin when the anti Christ appears, he was described as a man of lawlessness, and he will exalt himself above God and sit in the temple of God, meaning, being Head of the false church. It mentioned in 2Thess.2:3-4
"3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction"
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - - 2 Thess2:3-4 KJV)
�I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe5cQDIbMs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe5cQDIbMs
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23760 - Can you follow me? Refute me if you can...you can never refute me!
Br. Zainool
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But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:20-22
This is in fact a false prophecy.
The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)
The Persians defeated the Byzantines and captured Jerusalem at about A.D. 614 or 615. The Byzantine counter-offensive did not begin until A.D. 622 and the victory was not complete until A.D. 628, making it a period between thirteen to fourteen years, not "a few years" alluded to in the Quran
Rome's complete victory at 630 A.D., fifteen to sixteen years after the so-called prophecy was given!
the defeat of the Byzantines in Syria by the Persians under Khusran Parvis. (A.D. 615 - 6 years before the Hegira). However, the defeat of the Persians should take place soon 'in a small number of years'. In the light of this prediction, Abu-Bakr undertook a bet with Ubai-ibn-Khalaf that this prediction would be fulfilled within three years, but he was corrected by Mohammed who stated that the 'small number' is between three and nine years (Al-Baizawi). Muslims tell us that the Byzantines overcame their enemies within seven years. The fact, however, is that the Byzantines defeated Persia in A.D. 628 That was twelve years after the prediction of Mohammed
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 04 April 2015 at 7:35pm
Peace maker wrote:
But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:20-22
This is in fact a false prophecy.
The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)
The Persians defeated the Byzantines and captured Jerusalem at about A.D. 614 or 615. The Byzantine counter-offensive did not begin until A.D. 622 and the victory was not complete until A.D. 628, making it a period between thirteen to fourteen years, not "a few years" alluded to in the Quran
Rome's complete victory at 630 A.D., fifteen to sixteen years after the so-called prophecy was given!
the defeat of the Byzantines in Syria by the Persians under Khusran Parvis. (A.D. 615 - 6 years before the Hegira). However, the defeat of the Persians should take place soon 'in a small number of years'. In the light of this prediction, Abu-Bakr undertook a bet with Ubai-ibn-Khalaf that this prediction would be fulfilled within three years, but he was corrected by Mohammed who stated that the 'small number' is between three and nine years (Al-Baizawi). Muslims tell us that the Byzantines overcame their enemies within seven years. The fact, however, is that the Byzantines defeated Persia in A.D. 628 That was twelve years after the prediction of Mohammed
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Peace maker, I don't have the time to look up the timing that you have given to prove the prophecy half correct, the fact is they were defeated. But the timing has nothing to do with why I have reply with that history. I was replying to your contention on the "second angel".
Peace maker wrote:
Zainoo read the whole chapter not just 2 verses to make up your own validations and predictions there were more than one angel.
Those faithful to Christ celebrate the praises of God. (1-5) Three angels; one proclaiming the everlasting gospel; another, the downfal of Babylon; and a third, the dreadful wrath of God on the worshippers of the beast. |
You looking for straw to refute me? I haven given you a wealth of information to prove my contention, pleaseee refute just "ONLY" ONE point.
Br. zainool
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 05 April 2015 at 7:35pm
truthnowcome wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:20-22
This is in fact a false prophecy.
The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)
The Persians defeated the Byzantines and captured Jerusalem at about A.D. 614 or 615. The Byzantine counter-offensive did not begin until A.D. 622 and the victory was not complete until A.D. 628, making it a period between thirteen to fourteen years, not "a few years" alluded to in the Quran
Rome's complete victory at 630 A.D., fifteen to sixteen years after the so-called prophecy was given!
the defeat of the Byzantines in Syria by the Persians under Khusran Parvis. (A.D. 615 - 6 years before the Hegira). However, the defeat of the Persians should take place soon 'in a small number of years'. In the light of this prediction, Abu-Bakr undertook a bet with Ubai-ibn-Khalaf that this prediction would be fulfilled within three years, but he was corrected by Mohammed who stated that the 'small number' is between three and nine years (Al-Baizawi). Muslims tell us that the Byzantines overcame their enemies within seven years. The fact, however, is that the Byzantines defeated Persia in A.D. 628 That was twelve years after the prediction of Mohammed
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Peace maker, I don't have the time to look up the timing that you have given to prove the prophecy half correct, the fact is they were defeated. But the timing has nothing to do with why I have reply with that history. I was replying to your contention on the "second angel".
Peace maker wrote:
Zainoo read the whole chapter not just 2 verses to make up your own validations and predictions there were more than one angel.
Those faithful to Christ celebrate the praises of God. (1-5) Three angels; one proclaiming the everlasting gospel; another, the downfal of Babylon; and a third, the dreadful wrath of God on the worshippers of the beast. |
You looking for straw to refute me? I haven given you a wealth of information to prove my contention, pleaseee refute just "ONLY" ONE point.
Br. zainool
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You post stacks of stacks information from the corrupt bible to claim your false prophecies about Muhammad that he is the so called comforter that Jesus has promise his deciples I will refute you time and time again you want to tell me that Muhammed is last and final prophet Allah but I dont think so Allah didn't even know him cause there was no Allah and Muhammad didn't even knew a word wat was writen in the Quran if you can think logically he couldn't read or write is that clear.
I wonder if you even know what is going on in the Quran and the Hadiths, Do absorb what you read ? or do just take everything for granted what is writen in the Quran and the Hadiths ? .
You can not make up your mind was Muhammad the so called prophet that God promised to Isreal or is he the so called comforter that Jesus promise his deciples or was he the so called spirit of truth.
Even Yusuf Ali, a translator of the Koran into English makes this comment:
"In their misguided arrogance they say, 'We have heard such things before: they are pretty tales which have come down from ancient times: they are good for amusement, but who takes them seriously? The answer is that the Qur'an teaches spiritual knowledge of what is ordinarily hidden from men's sight, and such knowledge can only come from God to Whom alone is known the Mystery of the whole Creation.'" [3058-9]
Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. My question is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology? If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed or that was new?
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 June 2017 at 3:17am
Peace maker wrote:
But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:20-22
This is in fact a false prophecy.
The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)
The Persians defeated the Byzantines and captured Jerusalem at about A.D. 614 or 615. The Byzantine counter-offensive did not begin until A.D. 622 and the victory was not complete until A.D. 628, making it a period between thirteen to fourteen years, not "a few years" alluded to in the Quran
Rome's complete victory at 630 A.D., fifteen to sixteen years after the so-called prophecy was given!
the defeat of the Byzantines in Syria by the Persians under Khusran Parvis. (A.D. 615 - 6 years before the Hegira). However, the defeat of the Persians should take place soon 'in a small number of years'. In the light of this prediction, Abu-Bakr undertook a bet with Ubai-ibn-Khalaf that this prediction would be fulfilled within three years, but he was corrected by Mohammed who stated that the 'small number' is between three and nine years (Al-Baizawi). Muslims tell us that the Byzantines overcame their enemies within seven years. The fact, however, is that the Byzantines defeated Persia in A.D. 628 That was twelve years after the prediction of Mohammed
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I dont have the time to look up that to give you a reply but believe me you is like a straw man.
SPREAD THE TRUTH!
�Truth has (now) come, and falsehood
perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)
The warning from
Allah (S), He said:
�Those who conceal
the
clear (Signs) We have sent down, and
the Guidance, after We
have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,� (Q. 2:159)
Those who conceal
Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, -
they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address
them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (Q. 2:174)
Br. zainool
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Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 03 June 2017 at 7:42pm
Mohamad the Counsellor. Nope!
Some of the Muslim scholars claim that Mohammed is the comforter, the Holy Spirit. Can you comment on this? (6:24)
Answer
Dr. Labib: Well, you know, there is a man by the name Ibn Tamima. He was one of the very well known Imam, many, many years ago. And he wrote a very large book. And in his book he said, that Mohammed is a prophet like Moses. The Holy Spirit is a prophecy about Mohammed. He said more than that. In Psalm 84, there is a verse that is saying that people will go in the valley of weeping, and they make it as a source of comfort. You know, in Arabic, the valley of weeping means Bouka. And he said Bouka is Mecca. And the Mecca, this is a prophecy about Islam, about Mohammed. He came to Mecca, and he fulfilled that prophecy.
In one of my books I said, "Come on here, this is no prophecy at all, because the Bible, the psalmist was speaking about people who will pass through the valley of sorrow, of suffering, and through the comfort and the joy of the Lord, will change the weeping and the suffering into joy and peace. And now you go, you come and tell me that this is a prophecy about Mohammed? What is that all about?
Now we come to the comforter of the Holy Spirit. What did Jesus say about that? He said that this comforter is the Spirit. Was Mohammed a spirit? Is one questions. A spirit? "I will send you the spirit of truth." But Mohammed was human, he was not spirit. He was a human being, with a body. Number two, the paraclitus, in the Greek word means 'comforter'. It doesn't mean Mohammed or Ahmed. Nothing like that! Then again, Jesus said to the disciples, "I am going to send to you the comforter, not after many days." Mohammed came after 600 years. How could he be the comforter? Again, He said, "When this comforter will come, he will glorify me." Mohammed didn't glorify Jesus Christ. In fact, he degraded Jesus Christ. And he said, and this is in the Arabic word, In English it is, "The similitude of Jesus is like Adam. He created him from the dust, and He said to him, "Be," and he was." He degraded Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God.
So, to say that the comforter, the Holy Spirit, who came to magnify, and to glorify Jesus Christ is Mohammed. And then Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, "He will remind you of all what I have said to you." Listen, without the Holy Spirit? How could the gospel will be written? Who could memorize the whole sermon on the Mount? But the Holy Spirit brought all the sermon of the Mount to the mind of Matthew, and he wrote it word by word. You see, and he reminded the disciples of all the sayings of Jesus Christ, of all the miracles of Jesus Christ. And they wrote it word by word. Why? Because there was the element of the Holy Spirit. Did Mohammed do that? Mohammed didn't do that. Mohammed distorted the Bible. He distorted the Bible all together. So Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit, and to say that he is the Holy Spirit, well, it is just to say something not in the Bible.
Why do the, Muslim clerics want to refer to the Bible to find something about Mohammed there, while they are saying that the Bible was corrupted? If the Bible was corrupted, why are you searching for a verse here, and a verse there, referring to Mohammed? They say the "Bible is corrupted! Leave it alone!" But with their saying that the Bible was fabricated, was corrupted, they are really dying to find a verse here, or a verse there to speak about Mohammed.You know, you go to Isaiah Chapter 42, when he speaks about the servant of the Lord, and they said that the servant of the Lord is Mohammed. Come on here, what are you talking about? Matthew said that this same prophecy was fulfilled to the letter, in Jesus Christ. How can you come and say this verse is concerning Mohammed?
So we just forget about that illusion, that the comforter was Mohammed. Mohammed was not the Holy Spirit!
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 07 June 2017 at 5:43pm
2Acts wrote:
Mohamad the Counsellor. Nope!
Some of the Muslim scholars claim that Mohammed is the comforter, the Holy Spirit. Can you comment on this? (6:24)
Answer
Dr. Labib: Well, you know, there is a man by the name Ibn Tamima. He was one of the very well known Imam, many, many years ago. And he wrote a very large book. And in his book he said, that Mohammed is a prophet like Moses. The Holy Spirit is a prophecy about Mohammed. He said more than that. In Psalm 84, there is a verse that is saying that people will go in the valley of weeping, and they make it as a source of comfort. You know, in Arabic, the valley of weeping means Bouka. And he said Bouka is Mecca. And the Mecca, this is a prophecy about Islam, about Mohammed. He came to Mecca, and he fulfilled that prophecy.
In one of my books I said, "Come on here, this is no prophecy at all, because the Bible, the psalmist was speaking about people who will pass through the valley of sorrow, of suffering, and through the comfort and the joy of the Lord, will change the weeping and the suffering into joy and peace. And now you go, you come and tell me that this is a prophecy about Mohammed? What is that all about?
Now we come to the comforter of the Holy Spirit. What did Jesus say about that? He said that this comforter is the Spirit. Was Mohammed a spirit? Is one questions. A spirit? "I will send you the spirit of truth." But Mohammed was human, he was not spirit. He was a human being, with a body. Number two, the paraclitus, in the Greek word means 'comforter'. It doesn't mean Mohammed or Ahmed. Nothing like that! Then again, Jesus said to the disciples, "I am going to send to you the comforter, not after many days." Mohammed came after 600 years. How could he be the comforter? Again, He said, "When this comforter will come, he will glorify me." Mohammed didn't glorify Jesus Christ. In fact, he degraded Jesus Christ. And he said, and this is in the Arabic word, In English it is, "The similitude of Jesus is like Adam. He created him from the dust, and He said to him, "Be," and he was." He degraded Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God.
So, to say that the comforter, the Holy Spirit, who came to magnify, and to glorify Jesus Christ is Mohammed. And then Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, "He will remind you of all what I have said to you." Listen, without the Holy Spirit? How could the gospel will be written? Who could memorize the whole sermon on the Mount? But the Holy Spirit brought all the sermon of the Mount to the mind of Matthew, and he wrote it word by word. You see, and he reminded the disciples of all the sayings of Jesus Christ, of all the miracles of Jesus Christ. And they wrote it word by word. Why? Because there was the element of the Holy Spirit. Did Mohammed do that? Mohammed didn't do that. Mohammed distorted the Bible. He distorted the Bible all together. So Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit, and to say that he is the Holy Spirit, well, it is just to say something not in the Bible.
Why do the, Muslim clerics want to refer to the Bible to find something about Mohammed there, while they are saying that the Bible was corrupted? If the Bible was corrupted, why are you searching for a verse here, and a verse there, referring to Mohammed? They say the "Bible is corrupted! Leave it alone!" But with their saying that the Bible was fabricated, was corrupted, they are really dying to find a verse here, or a verse there to speak about Mohammed.You know, you go to Isaiah Chapter 42, when he speaks about the servant of the Lord, and they said that the servant of the Lord is Mohammed. Come on here, what are you talking about? Matthew said that this same prophecy was fulfilled to the letter, in Jesus Christ. How can you come and say this verse is concerning Mohammed?
So we just forget about that illusion, that the comforter was Mohammed. Mohammed was not the Holy Spirit!
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Thats a 100% yes Acts Jesus is the only saviour of man kind.
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Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 12 June 2017 at 9:36pm
I know. Muslims are desperate to find Mohamad in the Bible. But he is just not there.
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 13 June 2017 at 11:11pm
2Acts wrote:
Mohamad the Counsellor. Nope!
Some of the Muslim scholars claim that Mohammed is the comforter, the Holy Spirit. Can you comment on this? (6:24)
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Peace unto you.
I am not Dr. Labib; and I don't know who is he and don't want to know who is he.
He I am giving you information on the comforter from your book:
Let�s us look at John
14:16
��I will pray to the father, and he shall give you another comforter that he may abide with you for ever. even the spirit of truth:
whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you. (John14: 16-17)
The Greek word there
is Parakleton:
http://classic.studylight.org/lex/grk/ -
Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh was a parakleton:
�...we have an �advocate� with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous.� (1John.2: 1)
The Greek word there
is also �Parakleton�.
http://classic.studylight.org/lex/grk/ -
Notice above in John 14:16 the �another
Comforter� there, the Greek word is �Parakleton�
and in 1John 2:1 Ye-shua
(Jesus) pbuh was also call Comforter the Greek word
there is also �Parakleton�;
so the �another Parakleton has to be like Jesus (S) because it�s a Person.
Now, let us look at John 14:26 it is mentioned:
�Butt the Comforter
which is the Holy Ghost...� (John14: 26)
http://classic.studylight.org/lex/grk/ -
The Greek word used there is �paracletov�
instead of �Parakleton� which also translated as �comforter,
advocate, etc.� so we have now Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh as a comforter (Parakleton)
and the holy spirit as the comforter (Parakletov), both were call comforter so
we arrive with two now called comforter, man and spirit. http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A26§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A26&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - -
After said
that, now, let�s look at john14: 16-17. Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh said:
��I will pray to the
father, and he shall give you "another"
comforter that he may abide with you for ever. even the spirit of truth: whom
the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye
know him; for �he dwelleth with you and
shall be in you.� (John14:
16-17)
In the
above verse Jesus (S) make mentioned of both the �another Comforter� who is with the father in heaven and the �Spirit of truth� which dwells with
the disciples on earth.
In that verse, the key word is "another". If something is already with you how
can we call it �another� when it is already with you, can we? No! As the verse
continues, it read:
�even the spirit of truth:
whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him; for he dwelleth with
you and shall be in you.�
You see
that? It says: �for
he dwelleth with you� meaning it is already with them; so �another
comforter� here is not the �spirit of truth� that is already with them,
it is referring to someone that is not there. As I have said before, Jesus (s)
himself is a comforter (Parakleton) according 1John 2:1
...We have an �advocate� with
the father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (1john.2:1)
He is telling them (the disciples) about
another one (Parakleton). What does �another� mean? It cannot be the same thing; it
has to be another like the same thing. Jesus (s) is the �first� comforter (Parakleton: 1Jn.2:1); then the �other (Parakleton: Jn.14:16)� the one
to follow must be of �like nature� same
word used there or we can say, the �another comforter (Parakleton)� like Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh who is a comforter (Parakleton)�.
So
it�s two personalities:
(1) � the one which is yet to
come from the father and
(2) � the one that dwells with the disciples. That is the point
Christians� commentators were missing.
Another important fact is �where this another
comforter (Parakleton) will come from�. Let us shall examine John 14:16-17 and
other verses in more details.
Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh said:
��I will pray to the father, and he shall give you
�another comforter��� (John http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A16§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A16&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - - 14:16-17 )
They Christian�s commentators miss that very
important fact. �This comforter� has to come from the �father�! And who is Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh Father? He
said:
��I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;
and my God, and your God.� (John 20:16-17 AKJV)
According to him, his Father is OUR GOD
and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, he said: �MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.� In other
words, the other comforter has to come from God Almighty. Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh conform it in John
16:7: he said:
�Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is expedient for you
that �I go� for if �I go not away�, the comforter will not come unto you, but if �I depart�, I
will send him unto you.� (John 16:7)
That would mean the comforter was with the
father in heaven and when he goes to the father in heaven then he will
send him. We cannot say Jesus (s) will send himself, which is foolish
because Jesus (s) is not there with the father in heaven when he was talking to
the disciples. The �another comforter� is in heaven with the father, Jesus (s)
mentioned it in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 :
�and no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down
from heaven, even the son of man which is �in� heaven.� http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=Hohn%203:= - - John
3: 13 (kjv)
Jesus (S) was the Son of man �ON� earth and he spoke about �another� Son of
man which is �IN� heaven.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&t=KJV#s=t_conc_1000013 -
Now, let us
look at John 14:16-17 again, he said:
��I will pray to the father, and he shall give you
�another� comforter� even the spirit of truth� but ye know him; for �he
dwelleth with you� and shall be in you.
Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh was talking about
�another comforter� who is with the Father in Heaven and when he goes to Heaven
then that comforter will comes and also the �Holy Spirit� which was with the
disciple on earth (�for he dwelleth with you�).
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 13 June 2017 at 11:13pm
THE DISCIPLES KNEW OF
HIM
It was
conformed in 1John.4: 1
�Beloved, believes not
every spirit, but tries the spirits whether they are of
god because many false prophets are gone out into the world.� (1John
4:1)
Now, let us
look at this statement, �believe not every spirit�. How do we �believe�? We cannot believe if we
do not listen and heard the spirit, correct? We have to listen and hear the
spirit to believe. Now, the verse continues: �but try the spirits
whether they are of God�
How do
we try the Spirit? By questioning him, and that is not my opinion, V.2 conforms it:
�2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit
that confesseth that Jesus Christ is
come in the flesh is of God:�
The Spirit
has to �confess� and if he
�confesses� that would mean we have to listen to him. Now, let us go back to V.1 it says: �because many false prophets are gone
out into the world.�
Why �gone
out into the world�? Because, �into the
world� you have to go and look! And what you have to look for? It says: �Because
many false prophets are gone out.� The opposite of false prophet is what? True Prophet!!!
Conclusion:
John is saying, go out into the world and look for a true prophet with the
true spirit. And how do we know him? V.2
Every spirit that confesseth that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is
of God. The prophet with the true spirit will have to confess
that Jesus (s) come in flesh.
Now, that
verse (1John 4:1) refute the Christian�s claims in John 16 verses 7 to 13. If
you notice in John 16 verse 7 says �Comforter�
and verse 13 says �spirit of truth�;
so it a �person with the spirit of
truth� that is why �HE� is used there to described a person instead of �IT�
for Spirit; does spirit speak? (he shall
not speak of himself; but whatsoever
he shall hear, that shall he speak).
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It
is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but
if I depart, I will send him unto you.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for
he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he
speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 13 June 2017 at 11:17pm
THE
COMFORTER WILL GLORIFY JESUS (S)
Jesus
said:
14 �He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it
unto you.
15 All
things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of
mine, and shall shew it unto you�. (John 16:14-15)
Christians claimed that �glorify� there mean
the comforter has to worship Ye-shua
(Jesus) pbuh but
that is not what �glorify� mean there. The following verse, verse 15
explains what it mean and that is by taking
what he brought and make it known to you, meaning, the revelation he
brought the Comforter will conform it; and what is that message? That message
is one and the same that all prophets brought which is �Submission to the will of the one true God (Islam)�. In fact Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh used the same
word to establish that he and his disciples are one in believes, it�s in John
17: 22-24, which reads as follows, Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh said:
22 And the glory which
thou gavest me I have given them;
that they may be one, even as we are one: (John 17:22)
What is the glory God
Almighty give Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh? It is the message that if you believe and
follow it you will receive eternal life; and he gave his disciples it also, so
that they all may be in one believe. Read verse 23:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in
one; and that the world may know that thou
hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
So he then pray and
ask God Almighty for them also to receive eternal life (Glory)
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with
me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for
thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. (John 17:22-24)
As I have said before, the Message Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh brought
was �Submission to the will of the one true
God (Islam)�. For example, He said:
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear,
I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek
not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (John5: 30).
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which
is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21-22)
According
to those two verse Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh call God his Father. So I will
clarifies who is his father from what is written in John 20:16-17, he Jesus (S)
said:
��Touch
me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say
unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and my God, and your God.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020:16-17%20&version=9 - - John 20:16-17
AKJV)
According
to him, his Father is �OUR GOD and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, He
said: �MY GOD AND YOUR GOD�. So the verses should read as follows:
I can of mine own self do
nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of my God which hath sent me. (John5:
30).
Not every one that
saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he
that doeth the will of my God which
is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21-22)
In others words, he submit to the will of
his God and he preached �submission to the will of his God which when translate
to Arabic would mean �Islam�. He even prophesies the coming of �Islam�. He
said:
�After this manner
therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy
kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.�( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:9-13&version=9 - )
Coming of God Almighty kingdom on earth �His�
will� shall be done on earth. What is the will? God�s will is his divine
law. The coming Kingdom is a message from God for all nations. He said: �Thy
kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.� As
we can see that the ticket to Heaven has a �condition� and that is, we have to
�do the will of the Father� In other words, we have to be obedience to God Law,
what he was preaching is �Submission to the will of God� (Thy will be done on earth) which
when translate in Arabic is �Islam� will be done on earth. All Prophets
preached �submission to the will of God� (Islam). Allah (s) informs us in the
Noble Qur�an.
The Religion before Allah is
Islam (submission to His Will)�But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is
swift in calling to account. (Q. 3:19)
To every people did We appoint rites (of sacrifice), that they might celebrate
the name of Allah over the sustenance He gave them from animals (fit for food).
But your god is One God: submit
then your wills to Him (in Islam): and give thou the good news to those who
humble themselves, (Qur. 22:34)
Those Prophets was sent to their own nation
respectively according to their own language.
�For We assuredly sent amongst every
People an apostle, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew
Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error
became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was
the end of those who denied (the Truth).� (Qur.16: 36); and �We sent
not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order
to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He
pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of
Wisdom�.� (Qur. 14:4)
For example Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh was sent to the Children of
Israel:
�But he answered and said, I am not
sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.� (Matthew 15: 24); These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not
into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye
not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.�
(Matthew 10:5-6)
Muhammad (S) on the
other hand was sent as a universal Messenger to all mankind, Allah (S)
mentioned in Qur�an:
�We have not sent thee but as a
(universal messenger) to all mankind�but most of mankind knew not�. (Q. 34:28)
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 13 June 2017 at 11:21pm
JESUS (S) BELIEVE IN THE ONLY ONE TRUE GOD
ALLAH (S)
Ye-shua
(Jesus) pbuh thought the first
commandment
�And
Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
V.30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,
and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first
commandment.� (Mark 12:29-30)
From the book of
Exodus 20:4-5
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any
likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for
I the LORD thy God am a jealous
God (Exodus 20:4-5)
Ye-shua
(Jesus) pbuh
thought the way to Eternal Life in his final message, he looks up to the Heaven and gives thanks to God
Almighty for affording him to give eternal life to all who God Almighty has
chosen, and that is to believe in the one true God and Jesus the Messiah whom
He has sent.
�1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to
heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also
may glorify thee:2As thou hast given him power over all flesh,
that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.�(John 17:1-2)
This is what he
said:
�3And this is life eternal, that
they (the disciples or who call themselves Christian) might know
thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou (the only true God) hast sent.� (John 17:3-4); And Jesus answered and said unto
him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord
thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (Luke 4:8)
That is the
declaration of faith at the time of Jesus (S), in other words, is to believe in
no other deity except the one true God Allah (S) and Jesus (S) is the messenger
of Allah (S) and you will received ETERNAL LIFE. Same declaration Muslims make
except that at the end they say, Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S).
That is to say: �I testify that there is no other deity except Allah (S) and I
testify that Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S).�
Allah forgiveth not (the sin
of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sin
than this: one who join other gods with Allah, hath strayed far, far away (from
the right) (Q .4:116)
What Jesus said? He said:
14 �He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto
you.
15 All
things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of
mine, and shall shew it unto you�. (John 16:14-15)
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 13 June 2017 at 11:24pm
THE CONDITION BEFORE
THE COMFORTER COMES
Moreover, if we
read John 16 verse 7 you will see Jesus (S) laid a �condition� before the other Comforter comes, and the �condition� is, when he goes to
the Father in Heaven he will send him according to the N.T. because the
other Comforter was
in Heaven at that time with the Father. He said in John
16:7:
�Nevertheless, I tell you
the truth: it is expedient for you that I go for if I go not away, the comforter
will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you!� (John 16:7)
But according to
the N.T. the disciple received the Holy Ghost �before� Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh left. It is mentioned in John 20:21-22 when Jesus (S) said:
�...as my father hath sent me, even so I
send you (the disciple) and when he had
said this, he breathed on them,
and said unto them, received ye the holy ghost.� (John.
20:21-22)
That is
the one which Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh was
talking about when he said: �even the spirit of truth:
whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him; for he
dwelleth with you and shall be in you.�
Now, if the Spirit of truth is not in them
but dwelleth with them (the disciple), then where is the spirit of
truth? John chapter 1 verse 32 read:
�I saw the Spirit descending from heaven... and abode upon
him.�(John 1:32)
Ye-shua
(Jesus) pbuh was
a comforter (1John.2: 1) with the spirit of truth strengthening him. So he dwelleth with them
(the disciples) and shall be in them, which they received when Ye-shua (Jesus)
pbuh breathed on
them in John. 20:21-22.
The
Qur�an also mentioned of Allah (s) strengthens the believers (Muslims) with a
�spirit (Rooh)� from himself:
The
believers (Muslims) also are strengthened with the spirit from Allah
(s):
thou wilt not find any
people who believe in Allah and the last day, loving those who oppose Allah and
his messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their
brothers, or their kindred. For such he has written faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from himself (roohin-minhu)...� (Qur�an 58:22)
La tajidu qawman yuminoona biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri yuwaddoona
man hadda Allaha warasoolahu walaw kanoo abaahum
aw abnaahum aw ikhwanahum aw AAasheeratahum olaika kataba fee
quloobihimu aleemana waayyadahum biroohin minhu� Qur�an 58:22
The Qur�an also described Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh as a spirit proceeds from
Him and he was supported by the Holy Spirit (Rooh ul Qudus):
��Christ
Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His word (BE), which he bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Roohun minhu)� (Q.4: 171); O! Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour
to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)].� [al-Maa'idah 5:110]
In the
above explanation I have given are:
(1) We have the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit that
was �abode upon Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh�
(2) And we have the other Comforter like Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh that was �with the father in heaven.�
Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh mentioned of the one in heaven with the father in john 3:13:
�and no man hath ascended
up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is �IN� heaven.�
http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=Hohn%203:= - - John 3: 13 (kjv)
Ye-shua (Jesus) pbuh
specifically told them that the Curriculum did not finish and so he has to go
back to the Father who is his God, and His God will send the �other Comforter�
to complete it and this Comforter will not speak of his own self / desire but
what ever was reveal to him (for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall
hear - John 16:13).
12 I have
yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit
when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that
shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:12-13)
Allah conform it in the Quran:
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own)
desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one
mighty in power. (Q. 53:3-5)
Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures),
In the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q. 7:157).
And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to
recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it
with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have
doubted. (Q. 29:48)
��And
We have sent down to thee (O Muhammad) the book (the Qur�an) explaining all things, a guide,
a mercy, and Glad Tiding to Muslims.� (Q. 16:89)
�This Qur'an is not such as can be
produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller
explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the
worlds.� (Qur. 10:37)
This day have I perfected your religion
for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your
religion. (Q. 5:3)
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Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 17 June 2017 at 11:13pm
Just before Jesus left this world he said �wait for the gift my Father promised � the Holy Spirit�. So who or what is the Holy Spirit?
Well the Holy Spirit has all the characteristics of God and plays a huge part in our life as we learn to be a follower of Jesus.
There is a point in our relationship with God where we are filled with the Holy Spirit. The Bible says He lives inside of us (1 Cor 3:16), he guides us into truth (John 16:13), he is our counsellor and teacher (John 14:26), he leads us (Rom 8:14) and is there for us in times of weakness and prayer (Rom 8:26). Part of relationship with God is learning to hear the Holy Spirit and respond to what he is saying to us.
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