About Allah's form in Quran
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Topic: About Allah's form in Quran
Posted By: jgnana
Subject: About Allah's form in Quran
Date Posted: 21 October 2014 at 3:12pm
Hi
I would like to know the exact verses in Quran explaining about God's form.
I believe you won't have any other authentic scriptures than Quran. If you are referring from some other books, please mention the importance of that.
Thanks
Jay
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Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 22 October 2014 at 12:21am
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Allah in Quran in ch 112 v 1-4 defines concept of Allah, say Allah is one, he is eternal,he is neither born nor give birth,there is nothing like him.
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Posted By: kodoo
Date Posted: 22 October 2014 at 2:17am
Salam. Please check this article:
http://www.messageofthaqalayn.com/41-God.pdf - God in Islamic traditions.pdf
ma salam
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Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 22 October 2014 at 4:05pm
Thanks for your reply.
Please enlighten me from Quran, where it is mentioned that Allah has no form? Please give the verses numbers.
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Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 27 October 2014 at 2:58pm
Thank you so much for sharing the document. But i have few questions in this:
1. Can you give knowledge about God's form directly from Quran. It seems that these pages are the speculative statements of the author.
2. Like the author of this document, can we conclude like this:
1. Because everything is created here, nothing has created there. Actually no creation in the spiritual world.
2. Because nothing has created there, then this so called creation is false, from spiritual perception.
3. Because everything is false here, you are false and i am also false.
4. Because we are false, all our worship's are also false.
5. Because duality is here, there is no dual in spiritual.
6. Because there is no dual in spiritual, nothing other than God exists.
7. Because nothing exists other than so called God, then who are you?
like this, we can write thousands of lines, which is ultimately bringing down God's attributes.
From where this creation takes place? Who created this material universe or at least this world and why?
where we have received the attributes of like and dislike? If we say, there is no connection between the creator and the created, then why or who created this world and why or who created us?
If God has no form, then why he is challenging like this in Quran:
[7.194] Indeed, those you [polytheists] call upon besides Allah are servants like you. So call upon them and let them respond to you, if you should be truthful.
[7.195] Do they have feet by which they walk? Or do they have hands by which they strike? Or do they have eyes by which they see? Or do they have ears by which they hear? Say, [O Muhammad], "Call your 'partners' and then conspire against me and give me no respite.
As per my understanding, the document of the author is contradicting with Quran (God's words). If he argues that God has no attributes, then why Quran started like this:
[1.1] In the name of Allah , the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful
Mercy is it not attribute?
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Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 28 October 2014 at 11:30pm
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Allah in ch 28 v 88 of Quran says everything will be perished in this world and what remains will be the face of Allah.
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Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 29 October 2014 at 7:18am
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So Allah has form. Its not like God has no form. I too agree that God has no material form. But why don't you worship that form in all the mosques??
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Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 29 October 2014 at 11:35pm
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Bismillah Ar Rehman Ar Raheem.Allah in Quran in ch 2 v 2 says this is the book for those who are Allah conscious and in v 3 says those who believe in the unseen, establish prayer and spend out from what Allah has given them.that's why we worship the way Allah wants and the way prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) did.
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Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 30 October 2014 at 9:48am
Whatever you said is true. However, no body can see God through material senses initially, but those who are matured in devotion could see God like how some qualified devotees can hear from him.
1. Is this the exact translation - unseen? can you correctly translate the verse from Arabic? Because, in Tamil Quran translation says that he is beyond senses (hidden). If he is beyond senses, then no body could hear from him, no body can smell him, no body can touch him. Then how Mohammed received Quran, if God is beyond the senses?
2. Mainly, i have seen many inserted words within brackets, in Quran. Is it available in the arabic version also? Who added those words, which sometime gives incorrect explanation like the verses you referred 2.2, is there any such word, unseen, in that verse? It is added in the brackets, which shows someone tried to push his thoughts artificially by hiding the direct meaning from the holy scripture. If we remove that word, then the verse gives the correct meaning of, God is beyond our material senses. Who edited that, and who approved that?
3. Please explain what is Mohammed's teachings on form worship.
Thanks for your patience to teach me.
Thanks
Jay
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Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 31 October 2014 at 11:59pm
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Prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) was prophet and prophets are higher spiritually then us.Prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) recieved revealations by angel Jibreel, yes Allah is beyond our senses,prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) said we have to worship only and only Allah irrespective of form because Allah already gave his concept in ch 112 v 1-4-Say Allah is one,he is eternal, he is neither born nor give birth there is nothing like him.
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