Beware of scholars
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Topic: Beware of scholars
Posted By: Muslim75
Subject: Beware of scholars
Date Posted: 23 August 2014 at 1:56pm
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However knowledgeable one might be, his knowledge does not bring about truthfulness, honesty and trustworthiness. Also, it does not eradicate untruthfulness, dishonesty and untrustworthiness. Bashar Al Assad and Vladimir Putin are very knowledgeable in their fields but they are, evidently, ill-intentioned men. The brothers of Yusuf did what they did to him though they were prophets. Therefore scholars can also do like evils. But prophets are teachers, as Al Ghazali says. Therefore do not always rely on what Mufti so and so says, or whatever fatwa is being given. These may write books with the complicity of governments. If it is the case they will easily write extremist knowledge. Take care to re-consider. |
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 24 August 2014 at 7:46pm
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Thank you Muslim75 for these thoughts. I recently watched a program on how Hitler got some of the best known scholars to re-write the history of the Aryan people so that it suited, and in the end served, his own, evil, purposes. Yes, people who hold power can control people to say anything they want said. asalaam. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 03 September 2014 at 6:00am
| Beware of Muslim Ulama (see my post above). |
Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 3:02am
| Assalamalecum,that's why it is necessary to read Quran daily with understanding. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 9:13am
Right. Because the Quran contains the words of Allah -- according to scholars.  ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 9:54am
Hey Ron. Back again to make a fool of yourself? ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Ron Webb wrote:Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 1:05pm
| Actually, I think Ron does quite well making fools of others. |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 1:15pm
I doubt that, based on what I have seen.  ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 2:01pm
Still confusing ad hominems with rational discussion, I see. No, probably not back for long. I just noticed that Muslim75 was on the right track so thought I'd help him/her along. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 2:12pm
Awww, you're breaking my heart. 
No, what you did was just show how ignorant you are. The Quran says that it is the Word of God. You don't need to be a scholar to figure that out. ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 4:14pm
Of course. How silly of me.
------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 4:35pm
So, coming back to what I said earlier about making a fool out of yourself...
The topic is not whether what the Quran claims is true or not, dummy. The topic is about trusting scholars. Now, do you need me to further explain or can you connect the dots yourself? ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 6:23pm
Sorry, I think I need a bit more help. You're saying you don't have to trust the scholars regarding the authenticity of the Quran, because the Quran vouches for its own authenticity? And that doesn't seem at all circular to you? 
------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 7:24pm
| Wait a minute now Ron. Doesn't the Bible say that also. |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 8:29pm
Why am I not surprised that you have still not gotten the point? Let's take this step by step, since you obviously are a slow learner... This thread was aimed at Muslims. The point that brother Muslim75 was making was that Muslims should be careful not to blindly accept the opinions of "scholars". In a way, he is right, because as we know there are a lot of fatwas issued left and right, and they are not always made by qualified people. Atheist clowns, such as yourself (and your fellow atheist groupie schmickbob), completely missed this point and tried to act like wiseguys, as is your usual mantra. In your rush to engage in your usual foolish polemics, you went off on tangents. I have tried to bring you back to reality by showing that your off-topic post has nothing to do with this thread, but you still haven't gotten the point and continue in your polemical tirade. Get it now, Bozo?  By the way, have you read any of the books I suggested? Or have you been lazy and afraid of having your prejudices challenged? ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 8:51pm
In other words, what I was saying is that you don't need a "scholar" to tell you what the Quran says, as per the main topic of this thread. You can just read it yourself. Let's see if R.W. can finally get the picture...  ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 9:16pm
That is precisely the principle I am applying to the Quran, being careful not to blindly accept the opinions of "scholars" regarding its authenticity. Seems perfectly on topic to me. Your response, that the Quran authenticates itself, was both off-topic and circular. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 07 September 2014 at 9:22pm
Still not getting it?  I wasn't arguing that the Quran "authenticates itself"! I was responding to your post by pointing out that you don't need a scholar to tell you what the Quran says. It is not scholars who say that the Quran is the Word of God. The Quran says so itself. Whether that is true or not is a different matter. Moreover, in my opinion, when one studies the Quran, the only logical conclusion is that it is indeed the Word of God. But again, that is a different matter, completely unrelated to this thread which doesn't even concern atheist clowns. Have you read any of the books I suggested? ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 08 September 2014 at 5:39am
| This thread has the purpose to warn about great evil. People may like evil. That is up to them. Wahhabism is all over the Muslim world. It is up to the Muslims to choose their sides. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 08 September 2014 at 5:13pm
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Interestingly, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement - Wikipedia , wahhabism "aspires to return to the earliest fundamental Islamic sources of the Quran and Hadith, rejecting traditional Islamic legal scholarship beyond the first three generations of Muslims as an unnecessary innovation." It seems that one of the founding principles of Wahhabism is to "beware of scholars". 
------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 08 September 2014 at 7:28pm
You highlighted the wrong part. I fixed it for you. Now of course, I disagree with the Wahhabis. There were many great scholars even beyond the first three generations, but obviously, they cannot replace the Sahabah and the Tabiun. Your reading skills certainly haven't improved. I guess that means that you haven't read any of the books I suggested, eh? ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 3:21am
I couldn't agree more. We should remain skeptical our whole life and use our mind to think things through. Both the Bible and the Quran encourage the frequent use of the human mind seeking new knowledge. The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge, but the mouths of fools feed on folly. Desire without knowledge is not good, and whoever makes haste with his feet misses his way. Acquire knowledge even if you may have to go to China for it. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 1:03pm
| This thread serves the purpose to warn about some very great evil that is happening, directly or indirectly, because of those corrupt scholars. It is about great evil, of the spiritual kind or otherwise. |