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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Subject: Question For All Christian'ss Here
Date Posted: 06 January 2014 at 7:50am
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Why do 85 % of the Christians follow the Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle . Who came to teach the Gentiles ,
Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle of the Gentiles . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 06 January 2014 at 4:11pm
Part-One , More In Next Post
At this time I feel it is quite necessary to show You . Enoch - E -Nok , Aramic / Hebrew '' He who is dedicated to the Law '' Akh - Nuwkh , Ashuric Syriac / Arabic '' Dedicated '' , Enos - E -Nowsh , Aramic / Hebrew '' Mortal '' , Anuws - Ashuric Syriac / Arabic '' Man in his frility , Forgetful Being '' Enoshites - Enosites - Aramic / Hebrew '' Human Beings , Mortal Beings .
How for years Christians have propagated as Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ , Who you all refer to as Jesus Christ what they feel as Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ '' Teaching . It is obvious that they don't have a Clear Understanding to the Questions they are asked , So they figure they'll just tell them anything . Since Christians have propagated that Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ 'is their '' Personal Savior '' , I want to know , If that's so , Then why don't they follow the same ''Laws That Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ Followed ?
For example . You don't find Christians Dressing like Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ '( Dressed ) in his times ! And they know how he dressed , Don't let them fool you . They read about it every day or every Sunday or every Friday depending on their Beliefs . When they read their Bibles , In Revealtion 3 ; 5 , 4 ; 4 , 6 ; 11 . They know because you find them wearing White for their Baptism Ceremonies , You also find them wearing the Veil when they are getting Married . Most of their Pictures of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ ' Show him wearing A Long White Robe . Read these Quotes and tell me they don't know , Or are they Just Too Lazy to follow all of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ 'Laws the way they say they do .
The Book of Revealtion 3 ; 5 , Where It States ; As For Him Who Overcomes And Repents , So Surely He Will Be ( Dressed In White ) Outer Garments And I , Will Not Remove His Name From The Scroll Of Life . Rather , I Will Confess And Speak Up For His Name Before My Patayr ( Adopted ) Father And Before His Angelos . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
The Book of Revealtion 4 ; 4 , Where It States ; And All Around The Throne Were 24 Thrones ; And I Saw 24 Elders Sittting , Clothed In White Outer Garments ; On Their Heads Crowns Of Gold . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
The Book of Revealtion 6 ; 11 , Where It States ; And White Outer Garments , Were Given To Each Of Them . And It Was Said Unto Them Rest A Little While Longer , Until Their Fellow Servants Who Had Been Killed . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Why don't The Christians Practice The Sabbath on the same day such as Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ did , If they say they follow his Laws ? And you know they know because The Seven Day Adventists and The Jehovah's Witnesses Do ( Mark 2 ; 27 ) . Christian don't pray like Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Prayed . You know what gets me , And I want to ask you . Why is the Pope always Seen Prostrating ? ( Matthew 14 ; 23 , 26 ; 39 ) .
Mark 2 ; 27 , Where It States ; And He Said Unto Them , The Sabbath Was Made For Man And Not Man For The Sabbath . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Matthew 14 ; 23 ,Where It States ; And When He Had Sent The Multitudes Away , He Went Up Into A Mountain Apart To Pray ; And When The Evening Was Come , He Was There Alone . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Matthew 26 ; 39 ,Where It States ; And He Went A Little Farther And Fell On His Face And Prayed Saying O My Father If It Be Possible Let This Cup Pass From Me Nevertheless Not As I Will But As Thou Wilt . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
So I'm just asking , What Laws are the Christians following ? When they say they follow Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus footstep and are waiting for his return someday ? During the time of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus the Children of Israel had strayed far , Far away from The Laws that Thoth - Moses ( Moses ) , Son of Amram and Jochebed , Taught and Followed , He was the one sent to deliver the Children of Israel from the land of ( Egypt ) ,
( In which they were in Captivity for over 430 years ( Exodus 12 ; 40 ) . Remember the twelve tribes were brought into the land of Egypt by way of Joseph ( Son of Jacob ) by his favorite wife Rachel ( Exodus 1 ; 5 - 7 ) , After Thutmose ( Moses ) successfully released the children of Israel out of Bondage , He was given A Set of Laws , Commandments , And Tablets so that the children of Israel could obey his Instructions . ( Exodus 24 ; 12 ) .
Exodus 12 ; 40 , Where It States ; Now The Sojourning Of The Children Of Israel , Who Dwelt In Egypt , Was Four Hundred And Thirty Years . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Exodus 1 ; 5 - 7 , Where It States ; And All The Soul That Came Out Of The Loins Of Jacob Were Seventy Souls ; For Joseph Was In Egypt Already . ( 6 ) . And Joseph Died , And All His Breathren And All That Generation . ( 7 ) . And The Children Of Isreal Were Fruithful , And Increased Abundantly , And Multiplied , And Waxed Exceeding Mighty ; And The Land Was Filled With Them . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Exodus 24 ; 12 , Where It States ; And The LORD Said Unto Moses , Come Up To Me Into The Mount , And Be There ; And I Will Give Thee Tables Of Stone , And A Law And Commandment Which I Have Written That Thou Mayest Teach Them . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Thutmose ( Moses ) received his Scriptures in portions ; They are often referred to as '' Pentateuch '' . Derived from the Greek for '' Five Scrolls '' , This term applies collectively to the first Five books of the Old Testament , These are the Five Books of the Old Testament .
Genesis completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Exodus completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Leviticus completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Numbers completed in ( 1473 B.C.E. ) , Deuteronomy completed in ( 1473 B.C.E. ) ..
In Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) these books are referred to as At Tawraah - arabic . This word originates from the Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) Root word ''Wara'a - arabic - and its meaning may be expressed in the well known saying '' Seeing Is Believing '' .
The ( Aramic ) Hebrew name for these books is '' Torah '' - aramic - which means '' Law '' Or '' Teaching '' In the sense of divine instruction . Many people think that the Old Testament consists of 39 Books , However , The Torah that was inspired to Thutmose ( Moses ) only consisted of five books ; Genesis , Exodus , Leviticus , Numbers , and Deuteronomy .
A ) Genesis - Arabic - At Takwin / Modern Hebrew < Barashith - aramic > meaning '' The Reconstruction '' or '' The Very Beginning '' from the Greek word Ghennaysis 50 Chapters revealed in 1512 B.C.E. was given to the Prophet / Apostle Moses in Syraic ( Ancient ) Arabic at the age of 80 in the wilderness , In 1512 B.C.E. This book contains the account of man's creation , the great flood of the Prophet / Apostle Noah's ( 2970 - 2020 B.C.E. ) , son of Lamech , time and a large record of early history of the Prophet Adam ( 4026 - 3096 B.C.E. ) down to Joseph ( 1818 - 1708 B.C.E . ) the son of Jacob ( 1918 - 1771 B.C.E. ) .
B ) The Book of Exodus - Arabic , Al Khuruw / in Modern Hebrew < Shimut - aramic > meaning '' Names '' or '' Departure , Going Out '' from the Greek word Ex meaning '' Out of , From '' and Dod meaning '' Way '' 40 Chapters revealed in 1512 B.C.E. The Prophet / Apostle Moses received the book in Syriac ( Ancient ) Arabic and Hebrew in the wilderness in 1512 B.C.E. This book entails recordings of the history of the Children of Israel and their journey to the land Canaan under the leadership of The Prophet / Apostle Moses .
C ) The Book of Leviticus - Arabic Al Lawin , / in Modern Hebrew Wayikra - aramic - Which means '' The Law '' . The Prophet / Apostle Moses received the book in Syriac ( Ancient ) Arabic / Aramic / Hebrew while in the in the wilderness in 1512 B.C.E. The book entails the laws concerning morals , cleanliness , dietary habits , etc . 27 Chapters reavealed in 1512 B.C.E.
D ) The Book of Numbers - Arabic - Al Adad / in Modern Hebrew < Bimidbar - aramic > Which mean '' Counting the People '' . The revelation was received by The Prophet / Apostle Moses in 1512 B.C.E. The book entails the laws concerning morals , cleanliness , dietary habits , etc 36 Chapters revealed in 1473 B.C.E.
E ) The Book Deuteronomy - Arabic Al Tathniyah / in Modern Hebrew < Dibarim - aramic > Literally means '' The Repetition of the Law '' This book was given to The Prophet / Apostle Moses in Syriac Arabic in the Plains of Moab during 1473 B.C.E. . This books contains accounts of the end of The Prophet / Apostle Moses' days with the Rebellious Israelites and the beginning of their destruction . The last two chapters of Deuteronomy was received by his brother , the Prophet Aaron ( 1596 - 1473 B.C.E. ) . 34 Chapters revealed in 1473 B.C.E.
Whithin these books , Besides the details of the life and actions of the messengers , Starting from ( Adam ) and the ending with the Prophet Muhammad . They contained Codes of Laws that were given to Thutmose ( Moses ) for the ordering of the common life . This is why when you read the books ; Mainly the four Gospels ( Matthew , Mark , Luke and John ) , You will frequently see Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Referring to the Laws of Old brought by Thutmose ( Moses ) . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Al Saadiqeen21 wrote:Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 06 January 2014 at 5:40pm
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Greetings Al Saadiqeen, See my post Jan. 3, 2013 on the following thread; http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26802&KW=&PID=180460#180460 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26802&KW=&PID=180460#180460 Salaam and blessings, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 09 January 2014 at 3:42pm
As Salaamu Alaykum Caringheart
Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle . Who came to teach the Gentiles , Also he never met Isa , Yashu'a Jesus the Prophet / Messiah , ( Pbuh ) Nor was he Called by Yahuwa . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 3:43pm
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Well, Paul had reached the "fulness of the stature of Christ" (See Ephesians 5), spoke prophetic words "as the Spirit gave utterance"; his words were of the same validity as Christ.
So, why not? Which of his words do you find distressing? 
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 15 January 2014 at 12:00am
Greetings neil, That's what I keep asking. and if the very Apostles who walked with Yshse(Jesus) accepted Paul, who are we to reject him. Peace and blessings, Caringheart Oh, and welcome aboard. I see that you are new to the forum. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 16 January 2014 at 12:55am
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Hi Mr Caringheart!
Yes, there are over 770000 words in the Bible and Muslims would have us believe that they are all corrupted. How strange. Be careful what you believe! |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 4:03am
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What Law's did Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle Follow ??? According to the Book of Matthew 5 ; 17-18 , Where It States , 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. < K.J.V. > This Question for neil the christian ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 18 January 2014 at 11:40am
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Dear Al Sdqn
Firstly, Paul. a "self appointed Apostle" Didn't Ananias say Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: Hardly self appointed. Paul was filled with Holy Spirit the promise of Christ in Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him It is unfair that Muslims deny and mock the Holy Spirit They ought to be saying, "I deny myself being filled with the Holy Spirit because of my unbelief" I don't say this. I believed and received. Thus the Quran is wrong; there really is a Holy Spirit given by Jesus. And He is WONDERFUL!!! |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 18 January 2014 at 9:37pm
Greetings Al Saadiqeen21, This question is easy to answer. Paul followed the law of Moses(the Ten Commandments) as Yshwe(known as Jesus) commanded. Yshwe did not command to follow the laws of men, in fact He always spoke against the laws of men. Here is what Yshwe had to say on the matter; 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Salaam and blessings, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 1:25am
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Dear Caringheart
With all due respect, you are adrift here: Firstly,the Mosaic Law was given by God; Secondly, the Spirit of God wrote most of the New Testament through Paul; Paul instructed men of the ineffectiveness of the Mosaic Law, and that men should accept and practise the teachings of Christ: 1Cr 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Regards Neil |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 7:18am
As Salaamu Alaykum Caringheart / neil Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle did not follow the laws of The Prophet Moses . Anyway they're 613 commandments not Ten .
Can you give a list of Laws Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle follow / teach . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 1:18pm
Greetings neil, Was it? Are you sure? Why did Yshwe so often have to speak against the pharisees? Why did Yshwe have to teach that, 'it is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean', or, 'whether or not he washes his hands that makes him unclean'? I think essentially you and I are saying the same thing: "Paul instructed men of the ineffectiveness of the Mosaic Law, and that men should accept and practise the teachings of Christ: 1Cr 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." Peace and blessings you you, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 1:35pm
Can you give a list of Laws Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle follow / teach . [/QUOTE]
Greetings Al Saadiqeen21, I answered that question above. As for the rest...
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/whatdojewsbelieve.htm Salaam and blessings, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 2:07pm
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there are 1050 commandments in the NT.
Which ones do Muslims say are invalid? neil |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 3:29pm
Greetings Al Saadiqeen21, I answered that question above. As for the rest...
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/whatdojewsbelieve.htm Salaam and blessings, Caringheart As Salaamu Alaykum Caringheart
So you can't give a list Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle follow / teach ? Keyword Saul , Shaool , Paul 13th Self - Appointed Apostle not some website link's . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 3:53pm
Luke 24 ; 44 , Where It States ; But He Said To Them , These Are The Words Which I Spoke To You While I Was Yet With You , That All Things Must Be Fulfilled , Which Are Written In The Law Of Moses And In The Prophets , And In The Psalms , Concerning Me . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible > ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 4:03pm
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Salaam and blessings,Caringheart Post# 1, 2, explain the Laws The Prophet / Messiah Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus Christ himself follow and taught / teach . Also Read John 1 ; 17 , Where It States ; The Torah Was Given By Way Of Moses , But Grace And Facts Was Given By Way Of The Messiah Yashu'a ( The Anointed Saviour ) . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible > Also Read John 1 ; 45 , Where It States ; Philip Findeth Nathanael , And Saith Unto Him , We Have Found Him , Of Whom Moses In The Law , And The Prophet Did Write Jesus Of Nazareth The Son Of Joseph . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Also Read John 7 ; 23 , Where It States ; If A Human Being On The Sabbath Day Receive His Circumcision , That The Law Of Moses Should Not Be Loosened ; Are You Angry At Me , Because I Have Made A Human Being Completely Sound On The Sabbath Day ? < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
According to '' The American Heritage Dictionary '' The word '' Law '' Is defined as ; 1 . A rule of conduct or procedure established by Custom , Agreement , or Authority . 2 . A . The body of rules and principles governing the affairs of a Community and Enforced by a Political Authority .
The Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) word for Law is ( Shari'ah ) which means ; ''A Rule Established By Authority ; Society Or Custom . 2 . A Code Of Ethics Or Behavior '' . This word takes it's root from ; Shara'a < arabic > Meaning to Introduce , Enact , Prescribe , Give , Make Laws .
The Aramic / Hebrew word for Law is '' Towrah '' or Torah '' < aramic > These letters are The Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) word equivalent to Wariyya < arabic > which means '' A View '' . In Greek , The word for Law is ; '' Nomos '' .
As mentioned previously the word for Law Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) is '' Shari'ah '' < arabic > The word for Commandent is '' Wasiah '' < arabic > And means Direction , Instruction , Injuction, Order '' , Many times throughout the Scriptures you will see a distinction being made between a '' Law '' And a '' Commandment '' , Take a look at Ex odus 24 ; 12 , Where It States ; And ( Yahuwa ) said to ( Moses ) come up to me in to har the mountain , And be there ; And I will give you < Looakh > Tablets ' of < Ehben > Stone ' , And A ( Torah Law ) , And < Mitswaw > 'Commandments ' Which I have < Kawthab > 'Inscribed '; That you may < Yawraw > '' Teach them . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Where is the list for Saul , Shaool , Paul the 13th Self - Appointed Apostle
follow / teach the above is according to the Bible not some website link .
Hopefully you get my point now ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 8:18am
| Paul did NOT follow the Law of Moses. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 3:58pm
Greetings Al-, This is the list: 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Salaam and blessings. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 5:29pm
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As Salaamu Alaykum Caringheart
so you can't back up your cliam here ok , So we are done here ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 11:26pm
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Greetings Al-, What claim? You are confusing. But I am guessing that is what you mean to be. Peace to you, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 21 January 2014 at 12:01am
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As Salaamu Alaykum Caringheart I don't have time to play games forget it shall we .
------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 5:09pm
It to be expect this knowldge is way over your head . The children -room over their .  ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |