Apostle Paul

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Topic: Apostle Paul

Posted By: Caringheart
Subject: Apostle Paul
Date Posted: 21 January 2013 at 3:05pm

I am interested to know about the muslim objection to Paul, as I can't see where Paul ever taught anything that ought to be objectionable to muslim teaching. Those who speak against Paul, I ask, how well they know Paul and what he taught. Have they read what he has written?

Rational wrote:
Jesus taught that God is ONE, Pauline theology pioneered the Trinity
Jesus taught OT law, Paul negated it
Jesus taught accountability, Paul taught justification of faith
Jesus taught he was son of man, Paul taught Jesus was son of God
Jesus said pray to God, Paul said pray to Jesus
Jesus taught he was an ethnic prophet not sent but for the lost sheep of israel, Paul taught that Jesus was a universal prophet

These sound like things that have been heard said, but has anyone ever investigated by reading the writing of Paul, and reading the words of Jesus?

- Can anyone show me where it is Paul, and Paul alone, who puts forth the trinity doctrine, and where he ever says that God is not one... be sure to read and compare with what Jesus said of Himself.
- Can anyone show me where Paul negates the old testament law
- Paul does not remove accountability. Can anyone show where they think he does
- Where does Paul say pray to Jesus?
- Paul did not teach anything Jesus did not say. When Jesus first sent out the apostles, while they were still new, and while He was still with them... He first sent them out by two's, to the lost sheep of Israel, but

14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Salaam,
CH

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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 09 December 2015 at 7:10pm

I wonder how many muslims realize, or know, that Paul was from Tarsus in Turkey.

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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 14 December 2015 at 8:53am

Hi Caringheart, from the very little that I still remember from my Bible study days, I read somewhere in the 4 canonical books that Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel. Isn't it? However, from the Pauline doctrine we see a sudden shift in the audience when it is said '...Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.'. This is not to say that Jesus wasn't sympathetic to the gentiles, but that his actual mission was specifically only to the Jews. Probably, this was one of the single most bone of contention between the disciples of Jesus and the so called, apostle Paul. So, how did Paul succeed in pursuing so many gentiles, one can well imagine how the strict Jewish 'Uniterain' concept of God got transformed into the Tri-Uni-ism of Christianity, to attract the populace.

Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 14 December 2015 at 4:19pm

Greetings AhmadJoyia,
It was Yshwe(known as Jesus) Himself, that said 'go and teach my Word to all the world, baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit'. It is recorded in the book of Matthew, chapter 28, and also in the book of Mark, chapter 16.
asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart

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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 15 December 2015 at 12:21am

Caringheart wrote:

Greetings AhmadJoyia,It was Yshwe(known as Jesus) Himself, that said 'go and teach my Word to all the world, baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit'.� It is recorded in the book of Matthew, chapter 28, and also in the book of Mark, chapter 16.asalaam and blessings,Caringheart

Since Jesus was a born Jew, one can simply imply that he meant to 'Baptize all the Jews' of the world. Otherwise his own statement is false when he said that he came for the lost sheep of the Israel. Isn't it?

Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 15 December 2015 at 8:57pm

Greetings AhmadJoyia,
Yshwe said,
'I was sent to the lost sheep of Israel'.
In other words, His time on earth was in ministry to the people of Israel... to the Hebrews who would already be familiar with the Word of God, and thus be teachable.
His instruction to His Disciples after Him, was to go and baptize all people, and teach them about Himself... to spread the Word of God. The non-Jews were able to accept hearing about Yshwe, especially since the Romans were witnesses also to His life on earth.
... but first Yshwe needed to teach the people that already believed in the one true God. He first needed their acceptance and their Discipleship.
asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart

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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 16 December 2015 at 11:48am

Greetings AhmadJoyia,

I present to you
Matthew 4:16
12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:

¹⁵The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

coming from, and the fulfillment of the prophesy of Isaiah 42:
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 16 December 2015 at 12:41pm

¹²Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying,

I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

(as recorded in the book of John, chapter 8)

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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 21 December 2015 at 8:34am

Caringheart wrote:

Greetings AhmadJoyia,Yshwe said, 'I was sent to the lost sheep of Israel'.In other words, His time on earth was in ministry to the people of Israel... to the Hebrews who would already be familiar with the Word of God, and thus be teachable.

First of all, I don�t get it when you use �� in between your reply. From where did you bring this text ��.to the Hebrews�. �? Is it from the Bible or from your own knowledge? This is because at the time of Jesus, I don�t think there were any Hebrews, but the Aramaic speaking Jews.

Caringheart wrote:

His instruction to His Disciples after Him, was to go and baptize all people, and teach them about Himself... to spread the Word of God. The non-Jews were able to accept hearing about Yshwe, especially since the Romans were witnesses also to His life on earth.... but first Yshwe needed to teach the people that already believed in the one true God. He first needed their acceptance and their Discipleship.asalaam and blessings,Caringheart

Ok, if you say that Jesus left his dirty work to be done by his disciples then why this rule of so called �Discipleship� has stopped after the Saint Paul? Also, why the aid of the �Holy Spirit� used to canonize the Bible and not from the �disciples of the Jesus�, only few centuries down the time? What about now, are there any �disciples of the Jesus� directly communicating with him like the Saint Paul claimed?

Posted By: 786iec
Date Posted: 21 January 2016 at 12:06pm

Paul the self appointed apostle was a lair.

2 Corinthians 12:16

American King James Version (AKJV)

But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.

American Standard Version (ASV)

But be it so, I did not myself burden you; but, being crafty, I caught you with guile.

Basic English Translation (BBE)

But let it be so, that I was not a trouble to you myself; but (someone may say) being false, I took you with deceit.

Webster's Revision

But be it so, I did not myself burden you; but, being crafty, I caught you with guile.

World English Bible

But be it so, I did not myself burden you. But, being crafty, I caught you with deception.

Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 23 January 2016 at 11:06am

786iec wrote:

...But, being crafty, I caught you with deception.

I don't know exactly, but is this the reason or is it the source as how our Christian brothers explain Trinity through the theory of 'god's self deception' or 'god deceiving his disciples'? Hopefully, brothers like Caringheart or others on the forum may like to reevaluate their argument in support of Trinity or else they may have to abandon it once for all.
Best regards.

Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 23 January 2016 at 10:52pm

guile - cleverness -
Paul was an intelligent, learned man
that is all that this word means

It annoys me when I see Paul so maligned, because it is the only way some can find to argue against the scriptures... yet, they can never once tell me anything that Paul taught that they find so unacceptable, or even contrary to their own beliefs.

Greek concordance: dolios.... can also mean through subtlety
This is what I take it to mean.
There is nothing that Paul did that can be described as deceitful.

Has anyone of those who take up to criticize, ever read what Paul teaches, or do they just repeat what has been told to them.
Has anyone read the entirety of the passage, of the letter of Paul to the Corinthians?

2 Corinthians 12:14-

14 Now I am coming to you for the third time, and I will not be a burden to you. I don�t want what you have�I want you. After all, children don�t provide for their parents. Rather, parents provide for their children. 15 I will gladly spend myself and all I have for you, even though it seems that the more I love you, the less you love me.

16 Some of you admit I was not a burden to you. But others still think I was sneaky and took advantage of you by trickery. 17 But how? Did any of the men I sent to you take advantage of you? 18 When I urged Titus to visit you and sent our other brother with him, did Titus take advantage of you? No! For we have the same spirit and walk in each other�s steps, doing things the same way.

19 Perhaps you think we�re saying these things just to defend ourselves. No, we tell you this as Christ�s servants, and with God as our witness. Everything we do, dear friends, is to strengthen you. 20 For I am afraid that when I come I won�t like what I find, and you won�t like my response. I am afraid that I will find quarreling, jealousy, anger, selfishness, slander, gossip, arrogance, and disorderly behavior. 21 Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence. And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins. You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality, and eagerness for lustful pleasure.

There may have been some that having never understood the message of Christ, thought it would be good to join with the Christians,
and only later came to understand the message. The fault is theirs for wantonly joining without first gaining understanding. The fault is theirs, not Paul's.

Even while Yshwe was with us, here on earth, this happened... as recorded in the book of John:

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

It would not be much different than one who impulsively is talked into taking the shahada and then later learns more about the religion and feels like they were tricked into joining with a thing they didn't really understand.

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart

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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 25 January 2016 at 9:25pm

Welcome back to the topic bro Caringheart. I thought you forgot this topic as your reply to my comments dated 21 Dec, 2015 are still awaited, though I do see your postings on other topics of the forum. Regarding your latest post

caringheart wrote:

....It annoys me when I see Paul so maligned, because it is the only way some can find to argue against the scriptures... ....

Error of +/- 100 years in biblical scriptural authenticity, is of your own confession. What else is left to discuss about?

Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 25 January 2016 at 9:30pm

AhmadJoyia wrote:

]Error of +/- 100 years in biblical scriptural authenticity, is of your own confession. What else is left to discuss about?

Greetings AhmadJoyia,

I confess no such thing. Smile

The Bible is the best guide to life that there is. It is the Wisdom of God.
asalaam and blessings to you,
CAringheart Smile

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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 01 February 2016 at 7:53am

Your reply to my comment is requested, if you please. I repeat it here. Ok, if you say that Jesus left his dirty work to be done by his disciples then why this rule of so called �Discipleship� has stopped after the Saint Paul? Also, why the aid of the �Holy Spirit� used to canonize the Bible and not from the �disciples of the Jesus�, only few centuries down the time? What about now, are there any �disciples of the Jesus� directly communicating with him like the Saint Paul claimed? In the same argument, why the aid of 'Holy Spirit' not sorted but waited for humans to call the council of Nicea to determine the 'Christ's nature'?

Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 01 February 2016 at 11:39am

Ahmad:
In the same argument, why the aid of 'Holy Spirit' not sorted but waited for humans to call the council of Nicea to determine the 'Christ's nature'?

Well, I guess for the same reasons which kept Allah in a waiting lane for a whopping 1300 years with the unfulfilled intention to (allegedly) finally explain the meaning of Qur'an, 51:47 (by Hubble).

I'd wish I could be that patient: Airmano

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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 01 February 2016 at 5:01pm

Greetings AhmadJoyia,
I thought I had answered. I found this in my files.

for islamicity, interfaith, Paul
Greetings AhmadJoyia,
Discipleship hasn't ended. If it had, there would be no church.
We are all called to be Disciples of God. We who believe in Yshwe are all disciples of God. The Holy Spirit speaks to us when we seek Him with all our heart... but for the Holy Spirit to speak to us, we must know His Word. God speaks to us through the Word.
Everyone who calls himself Christian is called to be a Disciple... to share the good news of Christ.
Just as muslims are called to do da'wah.

About the canonization of scripture I posted a helpful reply on the thread, islamicity,interfaith, the original sin.

asalaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart

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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 02 February 2016 at 9:20am

airmano wrote:

Ahmad:
In the same argument, why the aid of 'Holy Spirit' not sorted but waited for humans to call the council of Nicea to determine the 'Christ's nature'?

You guess work is all messed up. The two are doctrinically different, where the Muslims understanding about the Quran, specifically 51:47 is not claimed to be divinely inspired by intellectually understood.

Posted By: iec786
Date Posted: 09 April 2016 at 5:37am

carringheart i did your work for you.Guile means lies Paul was a lire

Bibliography Information

"Entry for 'Guile'". A King James Dictionary.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/encyclopedias/isbe/guile.html - Encyclopedias - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Guile

GUILE

gil (mirmah; dolos):

"Guile" is twice the translation of mirmah, "fraud," "deceit" ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ps+34:13 - Psalms 34:13 , "Keep .... thy lips from speaking guile"; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ps+55:11 - Psalms 55:11 , "deceit and guile," the Revised Version (British and American) "oppression (margin "fraud") and guile"); once of `ormah, "craftiness," "guile" ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ex+21:14 - Exodus 21:14 ); once of remiyah, "deception," "fraud" ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ps+32:2 - Psalms 32:2 , "in whose spirit there is no guile"); in the New Testament of dolos, "bait," hence, generally, "fraud," "guile," "deceit"; Septuagint for mirmah ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=isa+53:9 - Isaiah 53:9 , English Versions of the Bible "deceit") and for remiyah ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=job+13:7 - Job 13:7 , English Versions of the Bible "deceitfully"; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=joh+1:47 - John 1:47 ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=2co+12:16 - 2 Corinthians 12:16 , "Being crafty, I caught you with guile"; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=1th+2:3 - 1 Thessalonians 2:3 ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=1pe+2:1 - 1 Peter 2:1 ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=1pe+2:22 - 2:22 ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=1pe+3:10 - 3:10 , quoted from http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ps+34:13 - Psalms 34:13 ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=re+14:5 - Revelation 14:5 , "In their mouth was found no guile," the Revised Version (British and American) after corrected text, "no lie").

Paul's words in http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=2co+12:16 - 2 Corinthians 12:16 have sometimes been quoted in justification of "guile" in religious work, etc.; but he is not describing his actual procedure; but that which the Corinthians might have attributed to him; the lips of the Christian must be kept free from all guile ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ps+34:13 - Psalms 34:13 ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=1pe+2:1 - 1 Peter 2:1 , etc.; The Wisdom of Solomon 1:5 "A holy spirit of discipline will flee deceit" (dolos), the Revised Version (British and American) "A holy spirit"). "Guile" does not appear in Apocrypha; dolos is frequently rendered "deceit."

The Revised Version (British and American) has "guile" for "subtilty" ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ge+27:35 - Genesis 27:35 ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ac+13:10 - Acts 13:10 ); "cover itself with guile" for "is covered by deceit" ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=pr+26:26 - Proverbs 26:26 ); "with guile" for "deceitfully" ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ge+34:13 - Genesis 34:13 ); "spiritual milk which is without guile" for "sincere milk of the word," the English Revised Version, margin "reasonable," the American Revised Version, margin, Greek "belonging to the reason" (compare http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ro+12:1 - Romans 12:1 ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=1pe+2:2 - 1 Peter 2:2 ); "guileless" for "harmless" ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=heb+7:26 - Hebrews 7:26 ).

W. L. Walker

Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 25 April 2016 at 11:42am

Greetings Ismail,

I hope that you have been well.

I understand where this is problematic, because the old testament scriptures (Hebrew) are clearly in condemnation of the use of guile.

When we consult the Greek meaning(new testament, Pauls words)... 'bait', or 'subtlety', we have to consider what was Paul really saying.... and yes, why would he say that he used 'guile' which God clearly condemns in the early scriptures, to praise his own behavior?

In context it seems he was only meaning to say that he did not seek to place burdens(of laws) on anyone but instead gently brought them to see the Truth of what Yshwe came to teach. He (like Yshwe Himself) used gentle methods and means of reaching the people, and sharing the Wisdom of God with them.

I realize that anyone could choose any number of ways to define Paul's meaning...
but when you take the scriptures as a whole...
when you know the whole life of Paul,
then you see the whole picture... the true picture.

Paul was a learned man, and he used his wit, his intelligence, his education, and his learning to win the people to Christ. I believe it was for just such as this, that Yshwe (known as Jesus) selected Paul to be His Disciple.

For those who reject Paul, I have to say that it is because they do not know the life of Paul.
A person does not give up a life of such great position... in favor of persecution... easily or lightly.

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart

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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis

Posted By: whirlingmerc
Date Posted: 10 May 2016 at 7:42pm

Unfortunately there are allot of superficial objections to Paul that are more like attacks on a caracature of Paul than an examination of the real thing

Posted By: iec786
Date Posted: 10 May 2016 at 10:17pm

Greetings Caringheart,
I understand where this is problematic,not at all you see this entire book the so called New testament is 90% written by Paul the self made Apostle.Jesus did not see this New Testament nor did he read it nor did he preach it.God did not write it nor did he inspire it and that says it all.Read the red letter Bible and you will see the words of Jesus in probably 2% of the New testament.The rest is in black. Paul the imposter used the teaching of laws of Moses and nailed the laws to the cross.Most of your new testament books are anonymous books.Apocrypha.

[Quote]Paul was a learned man, and he used his wit, his intelligence, his education, and his learning to win the people to Christ.Quoted He knew the people needed a leader and he stepped in with his guile and did the job.To believe someone to be an apostle who never saw Jesus and then claim apostle hood is horrendous.This Jew saw the opportunity to make money out of the Christians and he went for it.Look at America today totally run by Jews so much so that they gave you a Jewish God and a Jewish child with a Jewish book to follow.

Greetings
IEC.

Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 11 May 2016 at 5:55pm

iec786 wrote:

Greetings Caringheart,
I understand where this is problematic,not at all you see this entire book the so called New testament is 90% written by Paul the self made Apostle.Jesus did not see this New Testament nor did he read it nor did he preach it.God did not write it nor did he inspire it and that says it all.Read the red letter Bible and you will see the words of Jesus in probably 2% of the New testament.The rest is in black. Paul the imposter used the teaching of laws of Moses and nailed the laws to the cross.Most of your new testament books are anonymous books.Apocrypha.

[Quote]Paul was a learned man, and he used his wit, his intelligence, his education, and his learning to win the people to Christ.Quoted He knew the people needed a leader and he stepped in with his guile and did the job.To believe someone to be an apostle who never saw Jesus and then claim apostle hood is horrendous.This Jew saw the opportunity to make money out of the Christians and he went for it.Look at America today totally run by Jews so much so that they gave you a Jewish God and a Jewish child with a Jewish book to follow.

Greetings Ismail,

As I said, unless you actually read, and know the whole history of Paul, of what Yshwe taught, and of what Paul taught....

There is no deception in Paul.... he does not seek to deceive. He does not lead people away from God.
Paul leads to Yshwe, and thus to God, the Creator... the One true Father of all creation.

Paul does not preach anything that Yshwe Himself did not preach.

Deceit would have led away from Christ, and Paul only leads to Christ.
(I'm putting in a note here that that is exactly what Muhammad did... lead people away from Christ, denied them the message of Christ... 'and allah is the greatest deceiver... the best of schemers' (from the qur'an))

When considering Paul, one must examine whether or not one believes in the vision of Christ' appearance to Paul...
- there were witnesses to the fact that he was blinded
- there were witnesses to the fact that he did not regain his sight until Ananais visited
- there were witnesses to the great conversion of Paul; he went from following orders to murder 'the Christians', to leading people to follow them

Paul may have been 'a murderer (at) the beginning', but he did not remain a murder... he was changed, and he carried the thorn of his prior doings in his side, for the rest of his life.

- Paul was always subject to the judgement of the earlier Apostles, he did nothing of his own accord, but only that which received the approval of Christ's first Disciples; read Galatians 2:9

If you believe in Christ' appearance to Paul, then you also may believe that Paul had the guidance of Christ in ministry.

Paul followed the example of Christ, who Himself entered under the rooves of deemed sinners, to share repast with them, even while the Jewish priest tried to entrap and condemn Him for it.
Christ Himself joined with the people in order to reach them.
It was His example which Paul followed.

What is it that you think Paul gained in leading people to Christianity? He put his life on the line to do it, and lived most of his life as a fugitive and/or imprisoned because of it.

If you want to understand Paul you should read his second letter to Timothy, chapter 1. (2 Timothy 1)

The beautiful, powerful, words of Paul:
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

asalaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart

Note: I think it is sad to see that someone is still filling you with feelings of hate towards the Jews. I had hoped you'd had time to progress in a positive direction in your absence. God's peace and blessings to you.

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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis